Weather Forecast for Monday

[PaattMaann]

4 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

The reason why wind is such a problem is because the field is dug into the ground which creates a wind tunnel effect and causes swirling winds across the field.  

 

Pat Hammer (local weather guy) was literally just on the radio saying the EXACT opposite. Said the wind is less of an issue in the stadium due to being partially underground. He said above ground stadiums like Cleveland and Pitt have more swirling wind that in Buffalo - he used a rock in a stream analogy and how the water cascades around and over that pebble. 

[sherpa]

5 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

The reason why wind is such a problem is because the field is dug into the ground which creates a wind tunnel effect and causes swirling winds across the field.  

 

Simply aerodynamically false.

Any structure effects wind.

Being below grade means nothing.

It is simply the shape of the building as it relates to the direction/velocity of the wind.

[Motorin']

Just now, sherpa said:

 

Simply aerodynamically false.

Any structure effects wind.

Being below grade means nothing.

It is simply the shape of the building as it relates to the direction/velocity of the wind.

 

And what is the shape of the building in relation to the wind off the lake? Do the upper decks block the wind coming off Lake Erie, or are the endzones open to wind?

[HamSandwhich]

5 minutes ago, PaattMaann said:

 

Pat Hammer (local weather guy) was literally just on the radio saying the EXACT opposite. Said the wind is less of an issue in the stadium due to being partially underground. He said above ground stadiums like Cleveland and Pitt have more swirling wind that in Buffalo - he used a rock in a stream analogy and how the water cascades around and over that pebble. 

I would think Josh’s 40 yard lasers would be superior in this type of weather, especially compared to noodle arm Mac. 

[Special K]

Its 80 degrees and no wind down here in Orlando..........lets fly the two teams down and play here instead!!

[Steptide]

Wind just picked up dramatically here in Rochester. It's whipping out there 

[sherpa]

16 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

And what is the shape of the building in relation to the wind off the lake? Do the upper decks block the wind coming off Lake Erie, or are the endzones open to wind?

 

Any structure always blocks wind, unless it's a tornado.

That is not to say it won't be a factor.

Winds coming over a structure will be deflected down to some degree, and when they get in a confined space will swirl.

 

The structure doesn't have any "open end zones."

It has a minor tunnel that is enclosed.

 

The wind forecast for this evening's game are locked solid from the west. Not from the lake.

The stadium is oriented northwest-southeast.

The winds will be perpendicular to the structure, but will change a bit throughout the game as the low moves further east.

 

[nucci]

26 minutes ago, PaattMaann said:

 

Pat Hammer (local weather guy) was literally just on the radio saying the EXACT opposite. Said the wind is less of an issue in the stadium due to being partially underground. He said above ground stadiums like Cleveland and Pitt have more swirling wind that in Buffalo - he used a rock in a stream analogy and how the water cascades around and over that pebble. 

if you've ever been to a windy game at the stadium you would know that's not true. It will have a big effect on the game

Edited December 6, 2021 by nucci

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

24 minutes ago, HamSandwhich said:

I would think Josh’s 40 yard lasers would be superior in this type of weather, especially compared to noodle arm Mac. 

I love how people are simultaneously saying mac jones has been terrific and the pats don’t rely on passing the ball at all haha seems a little hypocritical to me 😂

[CorkScrewHill]

Just checked the local Orchard Park forecast … and it appears the UV index will not be a significant factor in this game .. this is huge as it keeps the big floppy hat off McD’s head and out of his eyes so he can see more clearly … 

[PaattMaann]

24 minutes ago, nucci said:

if you've ever been to a windy game at the stadium you would know that's not true. It will have a big effect on the game

 

had seasons since 04, I know how windy it is. I'm just saying what Hammer said. I can't compare to what a fully above ground stadium would be here instead of what we have because it doesnt exist. 

[dave mcbride]

1 hour ago, PaattMaann said:

 

Pat Hammer (local weather guy) was literally just on the radio saying the EXACT opposite. Said the wind is less of an issue in the stadium due to being partially underground. He said above ground stadiums like Cleveland and Pitt have more swirling wind that in Buffalo - he used a rock in a stream analogy and how the water cascades around and over that pebble. 

The Bills' stadium is literally the windiest stadium in the league, and it isn't that close. https://247sports.com/nfl/cincinnati-bengals/Article/Kickers-Nightmare-The-Windiest-NFL-Stadiums-105213973/

NFL TEAMS WITH OPEN-AIR STADIUMS RANKED BY AVERAGE WIND SPEEDS (windiest to least windy) Buffalo/Orchard Park, New York 16.1 New England/Foxborough, Massachusetts 14.5 New York Giants/East Rutherford, New Jersey 10.1 New York Jets/East Rutherford, New Jersey 10.1 Kansas City, Missouri 10.6 San Francisco/Santa Clara, California 10.6 Cleveland, Ohio 10.5 Minneapolis, Minnesota 10.5 Chicago, Illinois 10.3 Green Bay, Wisconsin 10.0 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 9.5 Washington/Landover, Maryland 9.4 Miami Gardens, Florida 9.2 Cincinnati, Ohio 9.0 Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 9.0 Oakland, California 8.8 Seattle, Washington 8.8 Baltimore, Maryland 8.7 Denver, Colorado 8.7 Tampa, Florida 8.3 Nashville, Tennessee 8.0 Jacksonville, Florida 7.8 Charlotte, North Carolina 7.4 San Diego, California 7.0

 

https://weather.com/news/news/2019-09-12-nfl-worst-weather-cities

"Buffalo is also by far the windiest NFL city. Buffalo's gales either associated with a November Great Lakes storm, a December/early January nor'easter or a cold front can be disruptive. In December 2008, the New England Patriots and Buffalo Bills played through a game in which the winds were so strong the goalposts had to be straightened four times. Gusts to 75 mph damaged the Bills' practice fieldhouse prior to kickoff."

[nucci]

53 minutes ago, PaattMaann said:

 

had seasons since 04, I know how windy it is. I'm just saying what Hammer said. I can't compare to what a fully above ground stadium would be here instead of what we have because it doesnt exist. 

ok

[zow2]

It's funny that this season people are going nuts over the nasty lake erie winds/precip.  Last season it was Cleveland that had a bunch of crappy weather games while the Bills skated by with road games those weeks or a bye.  

[NewEra]

4 minutes ago, zow2 said:

It's funny that this season people are going nuts over the nasty lake erie winds/precip.  Last season it was Cleveland that had a bunch of crappy weather games while the Bills skated by with road games those weeks or a bye.  

I don’t think it’s funny.  I think it sucks.  Big time. We’re watching an inferior product when the wind affects the passing game.  Luckily for cleveland last year, they just pounded the rock 24/7.  We pass the rock 24/7.  Into the wind.  

36 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

The Bills' stadium is literally the windiest stadium in the league, and it isn't that close. https://247sports.com/nfl/cincinnati-bengals/Article/Kickers-Nightmare-The-Windiest-NFL-Stadiums-105213973/

NFL TEAMS WITH OPEN-AIR STADIUMS RANKED BY AVERAGE WIND SPEEDS (windiest to least windy) Buffalo/Orchard Park, New York 16.1 New England/Foxborough, Massachusetts 14.5 New York Giants/East Rutherford, New Jersey 10.1 New York Jets/East Rutherford, New Jersey 10.1 Kansas City, Missouri 10.6 San Francisco/Santa Clara, California 10.6 Cleveland, Ohio 10.5 Minneapolis, Minnesota 10.5 Chicago, Illinois 10.3 Green Bay, Wisconsin 10.0 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 9.5 Washington/Landover, Maryland 9.4 Miami Gardens, Florida 9.2 Cincinnati, Ohio 9.0 Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 9.0 Oakland, California 8.8 Seattle, Washington 8.8 Baltimore, Maryland 8.7 Denver, Colorado 8.7 Tampa, Florida 8.3 Nashville, Tennessee 8.0 Jacksonville, Florida 7.8 Charlotte, North Carolina 7.4 San Diego, California 7.0

 

https://weather.com/news/news/2019-09-12-nfl-worst-weather-cities

"Buffalo is also by far the windiest NFL city. Buffalo's gales either associated with a November Great Lakes storm, a December/early January nor'easter or a cold front can be disruptive. In December 2008, the New England Patriots and Buffalo Bills played through a game in which the winds were so strong the goalposts had to be straightened four times. Gusts to 75 mph damaged the Bills' practice fieldhouse prior to kickoff."

Pretty crazy.  Thanks for posting.  Further evidence of why we should have a roof on a new stadium.  We enjoy the game of football being played at its highest level.  Average 16mph winds prevents teams from playing at their highest level.  Facts.  Fail 

[NewEra]

Our average wind is 16.1 mph.  The 3rd highest is 10.1.  That’s just ridiculous.  More proof.  

[Augie]

36 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I don’t think it’s funny.  I think it sucks.  Big time. We’re watching an inferior product when the wind affects the passing game.  Luckily for cleveland last year, they just pounded the rock 24/7.  We pass the rock 24/7.  Into the wind.  

Pretty crazy.  Thanks for posting.  Further evidence of why we should have a roof on a new stadium.  We enjoy the game of football being played at its highest level.  Average 16mph winds prevents teams from playing at their highest level.  Facts.  Fail 

 

I’m on record for being happy as long as the team is still playing home games in WNY. PERIOD.

 

Having said that, there are several reasons I try to get to the opener vs a December game. Weather is pretty high on that list. I’ve done it for decades, and I’m just getting to an age where windy days with temps in the 30’s and sheets of rain does not really sound like fun to me anymore. (I’d prefer 20 and snow.) Call me a wimp, tell me I’m not a true fan, whatever. I just have enough sense to avoid unpleasant experiences.

 

You do you, I’ll do me.  I’d like to get back to WNY in the winter, but not if it means sitting outside for hours and hours in miserable conditions. If I lived there, I’d invest in the proper gear for marginal days, and be wary of “worst case” days. 

 

It was actually kind of fun and exciting as a kid, but I’m no kid anymore. Not ancient, but old enough to make my own choices on how to best enjoy a game. 

[Gugny]

2 hours ago, PaattMaann said:

 

had seasons since 04, I know how windy it is. I'm just saying what Hammer said. I can't compare to what a fully above ground stadium would be here instead of what we have because it doesnt exist. 

 

Is 2004 when you married into money?

[US Egg]

So far, 30-40 ft. dead ash tree in backyard fell, three wreaths with plastic framing, mounted with double screws, broke and blew off house.

 

.....Santa and his sled holding strong.

 

Live 3 miles from stadium.....

 

 

 

   

[NewEra]

21 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

I’m on record for being happy as long as the team is still playing home games in WNY. PERIOD.

 

Having said that, there are several reasons I try to get to the opener vs a December game. Weather is pretty high on that list. I’ve done it for decades, and I’m just getting to an age where windy days with temps in the 30’s and sheets of rain does not really sound like fun to me anymore. (I’d prefer 20 and snow.) Call me a wimp, tell me I’m not a true fan, whatever. I just have enough sense to avoid unpleasant experiences.

 

You do you, I’ll do me.  I’d like to get back to WNY in the winter, but not if it means sitting outside for hours and hours in miserable conditions. If I lived there, I’d invest in the proper gear for marginal days, and be wary of “worst case” days. 

 

It was actually kind of fun and exciting as a kid, but I’m no kid anymore. Not ancient, but old enough to make my own choices on how to best enjoy a game. 

Ditto my friend.  

[Nextmanup]

Caller to WGR-550 at the stadium right now @ 5:00pm....

 

He said the wind is so strong and persistent (towards the tunnel) that he doesn't see how ANYONE is going to PASS or KICK the ball into the wind.

 

Said it's the worst he's ever seen, and he's been to "something like 80 games."

 

 

[Back2Buff]

2 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

Caller to WGR-550 at the stadium right now @ 5:00pm....

 

He said the wind is so strong and persistent (towards the tunnel) that he doesn't see how ANYONE is going to PASS or KICK the ball into the wind.

 

Said it's the worst he's ever seen, and he's been to "something like 80 games."

 

 

 

Every model has it weakening starting at 7, so this really doesn't mean anything.

[Nextmanup]

2 minutes ago, Back2Buff said:

 

Every model has it weakening starting at 7, so this really doesn't mean anything.

They also say gusts up to 35 MPH throughout the entire game...

 

 

[SCBills]

NFL Live making some decent points about how the wind could limit Mac and expose his mobility, as opposed to Josh who should just take off anytime there’s a seam for him to run.  

[QCity]

2 hours ago, PaattMaann said:

 

 I can't compare to what a fully above ground stadium would be here instead of what we have because it doesn't exist. 

 

You'll be able to in ~5 years.

[cba fan]

3 hours ago, Motorin' said:

 

And what is the shape of the building in relation to the wind off the lake? Do the upper decks block the wind coming off Lake Erie, or are the endzones open to wind?

Highmark design allows common lake effect wind direction to howl through from one end zone and then drop down as lower level is in a hole heading for other end zone. The hole and the slope of terrain is higher on prevailing wind side and lower on other end zone causing speed increase. You get venturi effect of stadium design to also go along with terrain drop causing speed increase and swirling like no other in NFL. Like a wind tunnel. This site has highest avg windspeeds in NFL since being built even without taking into the effect the design which enhances winds. Engineers at the time did not research well. Should have been a dome. Or at least high walls on prevailing wind entry point.

[boater]

It's now snowing sideways in the Northtowns. The Southtowns must be even more intense.

[QCity]

 

[Sugar High JA17]

Fun Times!

Edited December 6, 2021 by Sugar High JA17

[Sugar High JA17]

8 minutes ago, QCity said:

 

WOW!! Thanks for this... Im running over to my casino Sports/book & droping $ on the Under Tonight

[Nextmanup]

It's snowing at the stadium right now.

 

 

3 minutes ago, Sugar High JA17 said:

WOW!! Thanks for this... Im running over to my casino Sports/book & droping $ on the Under Tonight

Notice at one point the two uprights are blowing AWAY FROM EACH OTHER.

 

That's crazy!

 

[chaccof]

1 minute ago, Nextmanup said:

It's snowing at the stadium right now.

 

 

If I recall, it does that in December in Buffalo, yes?  

[Sugar High JA17]

3 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

It's snowing at the stadium right now.

 

 

Notice at one point the two uprights are blowing AWAY FROM EACH OTHER.

 

That's crazy!

 

I might sound crazy but a 6-6 Tie with missed failed 2point conversions could be the action LOL

[LeGOATski]

11 hours ago, sherpa said:

 

I hate to bring this up again, but it comes up again and again.

The 061900 time is GMT.

That is 2pm EST.

All TAF times are GMT.

 

The latest TAF valid at 07000, (7pm EST this evening) is:

Winds from the W (260 degrees) at 23 MPH (20 knots; 10.3 m/s) gusting to 40 MPH (35 knots; 18.0 m/s).

 

Not a great difference in velocity, but when reading TAF's, you must subtract five hours from the valid time during EST, or four hours during Daylight Savings Time.

 

You don't hate it. You love it. Although, it seems like you didn't look at the valid time. 0624z. Tafs cover a 24 hour period.

[zow2]

The beginning of MNF Countdown cements Buffalo’s designation nationally as the worst NFL weather city. Period. End of story. 

[LeGOATski]

 

KBUF 062214Z 0622/0718 25022G34KT 2SM -SN BKN025
  FM062300 25024G38KT P6SM VCSH BKN035
  FM070200 26018G28KT P6SM BKN040
  FM070800 27015KT P6SM SCT040

 

44 mph at game time, decreasing to 32 mph. Windy as hell. Vicinity showers.

 

@sherpaplease check my work. Not that I have to ask...

[sherpa]

3 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

You don't hate it. You love it. Although, it seems like you didn't look at the valid time. 0624z. Tafs cover a 24 hour period.

 

Absolutely not true.

TAFs are for relatively short periods.

That's why, in you original post which I quoted contains the following:

"FM 060200

FM 060600

FM 060900

FM 061200

FM 061600

FM 061900"

 

The valid forecast periods are for a few hours each, and the last one you mentioned was for mid afternoon.

It is not true that any specific aviation forecast would cover a 24 hour period.

 

I'm not sure whether people here know what these are used for, but they have extremely significant impacts on flight planning and dispatching, especially in the long haul. international realm, as they determining fuel loads an alternates, and can ultimately determine allowable routes and passenger loads.

 

Again, I hate to bring it up, but if someone else does, and I know the premise to be wrong, as in pointing out a 2pm forecast for an 8:30 game, I will.

Respectfully.

 

[nucci]

20 minutes ago, zow2 said:

The beginning of MNF Countdown cements Buffalo’s designation nationally as the worst NFL weather city. Period. End of story. 

enough evidence...why is this called football weather ?

Edited December 6, 2021 by nucci

[LeGOATski]

2 minutes ago, sherpa said:

 

Absolutely not true.

TAFs are for relatively short periods.

That's why, in you original post which I quoted contains the following:

"FM 060200

FM 060600

FM 060900

FM 061200

FM 061600

FM 061900"

 

The valid forecast periods are for a few hours each, and the last one you mentioned was for mid afternoon.

It is not true that any specific aviation forecast would cover a 24 hour period.

 

I'm not sure whether people here know what these are used for, but they have extremely significant impacts on flight planning and dispatching, especially in the long haul. international realm, as they determining fuel loads an alternates, and can ultimately determine allowable routes and passenger loads.

 

Again, I hate to bring it up, but if someone else does, and I know the premise to be wrong, as in pointing out a 2pm forecast for an 8:30 game, I will.

Respectfully.

 

Right, so the valid time at the top is just irrelevant. When I did these forecasts I did them for a 24 hour period as accurately as possible, like we're supposed to. But they're done every 8 hours and amended in between for accuracy because high accuracy is important (like you said.)

 

You're a fun dude.

 

And also wrong.

 

You tried to correct something that didn't need correcting because you're "that guy."

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Pegula, build a dang dome.