Weather Forecast for Monday

[Awwufelloff]

OP here looks like my call from Tuesday was spot on, dam I’m good. I actually got accepted to penn state for meteorology before switching majors. 
 

...HIGH WIND WATCH IN EFFECT FROM MONDAY MORNING THROUGH MONDAY EVENING... * WHAT...Southwest winds 25 to 40 mph with gusts up to 60 mph possible. The strongest winds are expected from mid morning through late afternoon. * WHERE...Niagara, Orleans, Erie, and Genesee counties. * WHEN...From Monday morning through Monday evening. * IMPACTS...Damaging winds could blow down trees and power lines. Widespread power outages are possible. Travel could be difficult, especially for high profile vehicles.

 

Edited December 3, 2021 by Awwufelloff

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

For those coming to the game, I have a keep-warm tip. Buy packs of Hot Hands and put one on each groin muscle against your bare skin. Game changer. That part of the body has a big impact on heat distribution.

[Patrick Duffy]

8 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Weather should never drastically affect sports. 

 

Patriots can practice outside the majority of the year because their weather doesn't drastically affect practice.

Takes some strong ass wind to do that to the goal post. That game was affected a bit....

 

 

 

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

41 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

why can't we just got a nice decent weather game for the spotlight and watch allen sling it all over?

Because the Lord wants the Bills to have a dome and He keeps sending bad weather to try to send a message to the Pegulas and give them a chance to make the right decision.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

2 minutes ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said:

Takes some strong ass wind to do that to the goal post. That game was affected a bit....

 

 

 

13-0. Lol

13 minutes ago, Awwufelloff said:

OP here looks like my call from Tuesday was spot on, dam I’m good. I actually got accepted to penn state for meteorology before switching majors. 
 

...HIGH WIND WATCH IN EFFECT FROM MONDAY MORNING THROUGH MONDAY EVENING... * WHAT...Southwest winds 25 to 40 mph with gusts up to 60 mph possible. The strongest winds are expected from mid morning through late afternoon. * WHERE...Niagara, Orleans, Erie, and Genesee counties. * WHEN...From Monday morning through Monday evening. * IMPACTS...Damaging winds could blow down trees and power lines. Widespread power outages are possible. Travel could be difficult, especially for high profile vehicles.

 

My hope is the winds die down by the game. It's possible. Depends how fast the system moves through.

[Patrick Duffy]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

13-0. Lol

My hope is the winds die down by the game. It's possible. Depends how fast the system moves through.

Lol, yeah probably would have lost by 30+ points that day if wasn't for those strong winds that affected the game    😜

Edited December 3, 2021 by Sheneneh Jenkins

[Slippery Rubber Mats]

 

35 minutes ago, nucci said:

I think most teams have an indoor practice field

 

I believe I read just today that the Pats are mostly practicing outdoors these days.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

15 minutes ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said:

Lol, yeah probably would have lost by 30+ points that day if wasn't for those strong winds that affected the game    😜

Exactly! 

[transplantbillsfan]

1 hour ago, Awwufelloff said:

OP here looks like my call from Tuesday was spot on, dam I’m good. I actually got accepted to penn state for meteorology before switching majors. 
 

...HIGH WIND WATCH IN EFFECT FROM MONDAY MORNING THROUGH MONDAY EVENING... * WHAT...Southwest winds 25 to 40 mph with gusts up to 60 mph possible. The strongest winds are expected from mid morning through late afternoon. * WHERE...Niagara, Orleans, Erie, and Genesee counties. * WHEN...From Monday morning through Monday evening. * IMPACTS...Damaging winds could blow down trees and power lines. Widespread power outages are possible. Travel could be difficult, especially for high profile vehicles.

 

 

God I hope this doesn't affect the broadcast. 

 

I remember that Chargers game years ago after Trent Edwards came back from his Adrian Wilson induced concussion and I missed much of the game because a stupid balloon flew into the power lines.

[Cotton Fitzsimmons]

9 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

God I hope this doesn't affect the broadcast. 

 

I remember that Chargers game years ago after Trent Edwards came back from his Adrian Wilson induced concussion and I missed much of the game because a stupid balloon flew into the power lines.

It’ll be interesting to see how the league handles a situation like that. That game in Miami last year wasn’t broadcast for a good stretch as well due to a power outage in the stadium if memory serves. In those cases they just shuffled over to another game. This being on MNF won’t afford that. Tough situation for the league and ESPN if it really hits the fan and affects the broadcast.

[Bubba Gump]

6 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I stand corrected on that point, thank you.  However, as you recommend "Google is my Friend", I point out to you that there is still a difference between a GLOBAL weather model and a LOCAL weather model.

https://windy.app/blog/what-is-a-weather-forecast-model-guide-on-forecast-models-all-around-the-world.html

 

And you stand corrected (or should) on the point that on Thursday, and even Friday, no model (certainly no global model)  is accurate in predicting the exact arrival time of a weather system passing through a specific location or the exact location of a weather event forecast to occur somewhere in >100 mile band. 

 

Nope, I'm not a meteorologist, but I have decades depending on the best weather models I could get my hands on to keep my ass and my family safe, and that was a lesson we learned early on and kept learning: you can't rely on a model for the timing and exact location of a weather event more than 24-36 hrs out (48 hrs is starting to be predictive).  "You can't fly the forecast, you have to fly the weather you find"

 

The current forecast seems rain/mix Monday, trailing off during the day (21% at game time) and 21 mph winds dropping off during the game.  What the model seems to be doing is saying the weather will arrive later, but move through faster.  Could there be a "wind event" with 55 mph gusts in the area, sure, but that's sometime between Sunday and Tuesday, depending upon when the front actually moves through and the specifics of the location.

 

I'm outta here, if you want to keep on keeping on with the 55 mpg or 60 mph winds and all and with insisting that the global Euro model can accurately predict thelocal weather in OP on Monday night, as of Thursday (or Friday), You do You

 

I wasn't pissed or trying to start an argument with you. Just pointing out a fact about the models. I was just surprised at how quick you were to tell me I was wrong, when clearly I wasn't. And I also know forecasts can change right up until that day.

 

I remember one day back in elementary school (I've lived in Rochester area my whole life), where they were calling for a blizzard and the schools all closed early, wegmans was getting wiped out, etc. Well, it got really dark and cloudy and nothing ever happened. Not one flake of snow. It was very strange.

 

It's all good Hap!!!

[Greg S]

2 hours ago, aristocrat said:

why can't we just got a nice decent weather game for the spotlight and watch allen sling it all over?

 

That is a question for the league. They could have given the Bills a primetime home game in Sept/Oct if they wanted. Hopefully they do that for next season. 

[Logic]

I seem to remember the wintry weather of Buffalo historically being seen as an ADVANTAGE -- or at least not a disadvantage -- for the Bills.

I remember great players from opposing teams in the days of yore talking about how intimidating it was to go play in Orchard Park in December or January.

Now, if you go on Bills Twitter (or talk to many members of this forum), winter weather is this horrible, awful, no-good thing that should hands down be prompting the Bills to build a dome stadium.

From the perspective of enjoying the game live as a spectator, I kind of get it -- I mean, watching football outdoors in the elements is nothing new, and people have been doing it, and loving it, for years, but okay...I get it. Having numb extremities is no fun. From the perspective of griping about how it affects the team's performance...I don't get it quite so much.

If the answer is "well, tough, hard nosed teams that are good at running the football have the advantage in cold weather!", then that sounds like a failure in team building rather than justification for a dome. Knowing where they play home games, you'd think the Bills would prioritize running the ball and stopping the run and being a tough, hard nosed football team. If the reasoning is "so that our star QB can thrive!", I ask "how the hell did Brady, Favre, Elway, Bradshaw, Unitas, Starr, and Graham have Hall of Fame careers playing their home games in outdoor, cold weather stadiums?! How come Peyton Manning -- who played most of his career in a dome -- had his best season ever in the elements of Mile High?"

Alas, another week of "THIS IS WHY WE SHOULD BUILD A DOME!!!" talk in the books.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Breaking news...the Bills practiced outside in the wind! Fans rejoice.

 

 

 

[Big Blitz]

2 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Weather should never drastically affect sports. 

 

 

 

That's because they're all inside.  C'mon man.  Of course weather impacts the games football more then any other. 

 

No other sport plays in "weather" - baseball cancels when it rains!  What a bunch of softies! 

 

In football heavy rain absolutely limits the passing game. 

 

As was said before and the data tells us this, once winds get over 20-25 mph, QB play dips.  Passing games are not as efficient in wind and rain.  It's not even debatable.  

 

This isn't to say oh shoot we're done.  We beat Baltimore in that wind bowl in January.

 

Its just not ideal for this team to have to play in it.  What's Allen's record in "ideal" weather or a dome since 2019?  Conditions where winds weren't over 20 mph or a steady rain.  

 

I bet we've lost less then 3 times.  Now he's also at times been good in rain/wind.  The Houston game.  Washington game was windy.  And some not.  I recall the home game v Baltimore in 2019 was windy.  The Eagles game that season was windy.  

 

It's unconscionable to build a team in Buffalo not ready for December/January.  Where you have an oline and an RB that you can rely on when you have to have it.  I think for people like me my issue is more that then needing a dome. 

 

But I want a dome.  

Edited December 3, 2021 by Big Blitz

[BaaadThingsMan]

Allen should be practicing in the Stadium in all weather conditions as much as possible. 

 

Rain...throw on the field

Cross Wind....throw on the field

Tail Wind....throw on the field

Head wind...throw on the field

Snow...throw on the field 

 

The Bills need to keep a meter of some sort in the stadium so they can know what the conditions are every day. 

It's not a home field advantage unless it is

[BADOLBILZ]

32 minutes ago, Logic said:

I seem to remember the wintry weather of Buffalo historically being seen as an ADVANTAGE -- or at least not a disadvantage -- for the Bills.

I remember great players from opposing teams in the days of yore talking about how intimidating it was to go play in Orchard Park in December or January.

Now, if you go on Bills Twitter (or talk to many members of this forum), winter weather is this horrible, awful, no-good thing that should hands down be prompting the Bills to build a dome stadium.

From the perspective of enjoying the game live as a spectator, I kind of get it -- I mean, watching football outdoors in the elements is nothing new, and people have been doing it, and loving it, for years, but okay...I get it. Having numb extremities is no fun. From the perspective of griping about how it affects the team's performance...I don't get it quite so much.

If the answer is "well, tough, hard nosed teams that are good at running the football have the advantage in cold weather!", then that sounds like a failure in team building rather than justification for a dome. Knowing where they play home games, you'd think the Bills would prioritize running the ball and stopping the run and being a tough, hard nosed football team. If the reasoning is "so that our star QB can thrive!", I ask "how the hell did Brady, Favre, Elway, Bradshaw, Unitas, Starr, and Graham have Hall of Fame careers playing their home games in outdoor, cold weather stadiums?! How come Peyton Manning -- who played most of his career in a dome -- had his best season ever in the elements of Mile High?"

Alas, another week of "THIS IS WHY WE SHOULD BUILD A DOME!!!" talk in the books.

 

 

 

 

If you mean doesn't rain or bitter cold combined with high winds usually just level the playing field for the lesser opponent?.........which the Bills too often have been in the 2000's........then yes it's been an advantage.

 

People reflect fondly on the 2017 snow game because the Bills won.........what they don't recall is that the weather made it possible for a terrible 3-10 Colts team to almost beat the playoff contending Bills at home.  

 

And tell any Bills fan that drove to Cleveland to watch the "in the hunt" Bills lose 8-0 in a blizzard about the weather not affecting team performance.

 

More often than not bad weather just cheats the fans out of a good football performance.    We've seen a whole lotta' bad football on bad weather days in Buffalo.    It's not a good thing for anyone involved.

 

 

[Nextmanup]

16 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

 

 

If you mean doesn't rain or bitter cold combined with high winds usually just level the playing field for the lesser opponent?.........which the Bills too often have been in the 2000's........then yes it's been an advantage.

 

People reflect fondly on the 2017 snow game because the Bills won.........what they don't recall is that the weather made it possible for a terrible 3-10 Colts team to almost beat the playoff contending Bills at home.  

 

And tell any Bills fan that drove to Cleveland to watch the "in the hunt" Bills lose 8-0 in a blizzard about the weather not affecting team performance.

 

More often than not bad weather just cheats the fans out of a good football performance.    We've seen a whole lotta' bad football on bad weather days in Buffalo.    It's not a good thing for anyone involved.

 

 

 

They keep talking about ridiculously high winds maybe being present for the game.

 

One place said gusts up to 60MPH.

 

If the wind is crazy, and it just takes over the game and turns it into a sideshow, I will be really disappointed.

 

I think everyone will.  We have the makings of an epic game here and who wants to see it ruined with crazy weather?

 

I want to see skilled football, or at least have a shot at seeing that!

 

 

[BADOLBILZ]

10 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said:

Some of those games, are outright torture.

The Jan. '94 playoff game @ home, against the Raiders, comes to mind.

0ºF. @ kickoff, with  a -14ºF. wind chill.

 

 

Later in the calendar year of 1994 the Bills played the dome team Vikings on a lousy weather day after a big snow storm and the Vikes whipped the Bills and busted Kelly's knee........which effectively knocked the Bills out of the playoffs because Reich was brutal in relief the rest of the season.  

 

But, you know that team had such a HUGE home field advantage.......right?..........especially over a sissy dome team. (and everyone only remembers Reich as a great backup instead of the bum that he was that season).

 

To add insult to literal injury in that Vikings loss........there was nearly 4 inches of water and slush in the parking lots because they decided to just salt the lots instead of plow them. 

 

 

24 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said:

Some of those games, are outright torture.

The Jan. '94 playoff game @ home, against the Raiders, comes to mind.

0ºF. @ kickoff, with  a -14ºF. wind chill.

 

 

Yeah that was the day I found out that when people get hypothermia one of the signs is an inability to communicate.    We thought Ted was just not speaking to us because we had made fun of him for not dressing heavily enough.   Yay for bad weather! 

[Nextmanup]

[BADOLBILZ]

19 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

 

They keep talking about ridiculously high winds maybe being present for the game.

 

One place said gusts up to 60MPH.

 

If the wind is crazy, and it just takes over the game and turns it into a sideshow, I will be really disappointed.

 

I think everyone will.  We have the makings of an epic game here and who wants to see it ruined with crazy weather?

 

I want to see skilled football, or at least have a shot at seeing that!

 

 

 

 

Hopefully most of the fans will be wrapped up like they are planning to be driving a snowmobile all night so the cold doesn't get to them...........but if it gets that windy people will be heading to the exits.   You won't even be able to even keep your eyes open to watch the game without goggles on at 60 mph.  

 

Even the lower end prediction for in the 20's in mph for winds is worse than the Bills/Ravens playoff game last year..........and that was a windy GD game.   

[LeGOATski]

Still looking like incredible weather for Monday night, lol......

 

https://www.windy.com/-Precip-type-ptype?ptype,2021120706,41.558,-83.672,5

[Nextmanup]

1 minute ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Hopefully most of the fans will be wrapped up like they are planning to be driving a snowmobile all night so the cold doesn't get to them...........but if it gets that windy people will be heading to the exits.   You won't even be able to even keep your eyes open to watch the game without goggles on at 60 mph.  

 

Even the lower end prediction for in the 20's in mph for winds is worse than the Bills/Ravens playoff game last year..........and that was a windy GD game.   

This could really turn into a goofy game with crazy winds, at least at times.

 

I remember many years ago (no idea when it was) a punter in a Bills game punted the ball out at Rich Stadium into a wind that was so great, the ball just went straight up, and was actually blown BACKWARDS by the wind such that the punt went for NEGATIVE YARDS.

 

Or something like that.  Maybe someone can fill in some of the gaps on my memory here.

 

 

[Success]

I hope the team isn't thinking like the fans are.

 

This team has to embrace these kinds of conditions.  THIS IS BUFFALO, NY.  I hope the players are all going back to crazy pick-up games they played w/ their friends in terrible conditions, and getting stoked about whatever comes.  It's football.  You play in the wind, rain, snow, sleet, mud, whatever.

 

It would be a bummer if they were like, "Oh, no!  We need it to be clear and nice to win!"  I doubt they are, though.

 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

11 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

Still looking like incredible weather for Monday night, lol......

 

https://www.windy.com/-Precip-type-ptype?ptype,2021120706,41.558,-83.672,5

this is a joke. I would guess that this could be record winds for a game.  50 MPH?! 
 

if you want to see what this game will look like, check out this windy bears game. Can’t snap the ball; can’t hold the ball on FG’s; FG’s going 50 yards wide; 5 muffed punts; 2 completed passes in the first half. 
 

 

[BADOLBILZ]

28 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

This could really turn into a goofy game with crazy winds, at least at times.

 

I remember many years ago (no idea when it was) a punter in a Bills game punted the ball out at Rich Stadium into a wind that was so great, the ball just went straight up, and was actually blown BACKWARDS by the wind such that the punt went for NEGATIVE YARDS.

 

Or something like that.  Maybe someone can fill in some of the gaps on my memory here.

 

 

 

 

Yeah @BUFFALOBART was at that one as well.    

[LeGOATski]

45 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

this is a joke. I would guess that this could be record winds for a game.  50 MPH?! 
 

if you want to see what this game will look like, check out this windy bears game. Can’t snap the ball; can’t hold the ball on FG’s; FG’s going 50 yards wide; 5 muffed punts; 2 completed passes in the first half. 
 

 

That's only wind. 

 

Monday will be wind AND snow. And at night. And for the division lead.

 

So damn exciting.

[machine gun kelly]

47 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

this is a joke. I would guess that this could be record winds for a game.  50 MPH?! 
 

if you want to see what this game will look like, check out this windy bears game. Can’t snap the ball; can’t hold the ball on FG’s; FG’s going 50 yards wide; 5 muffed punts; 2 completed passes in the first half. 
 

 

First Miyagi-San, I miss the old Primetime.  Fond memories of kids in college who were my little toddlers watching Primetime before prayers and bed on Sundaynights.

 

You nailed it in concerns.  Forget rain or snow.  That means nothing to the team.  It’s wind. If the wind is minor, Allen far out weighs the strengths of Jones.  I listened to Sal this morning and he is right, don’t be surprised with some designed Allen runs and running yards are running yards.  Who cares if it is from Allen vs the guys.

 

I also think short passes can be a friend to us.  Everyone keeps saying the Pats, but Allen can’t hit Bease for a 3 yard pass and take it farther.  You know Diggs can do that too at 7 yards.  We don’t have to throw 20 yard passes to win.

 

Screw the cheats as I’m over this love fest for the pats.  I hope our team does too and punches them in the mouth.  You think Spencer Brown doesn’t have that “screw you , I’ll knock you’re head off mentality”.  I think so and I’d bet GROOT does too.

 

Show these clowns who really owns the AFCE in the next four weeks.  We did it last year.  Do it again.

[QCity]

Sad. Bunch of little kitties getting ready to blame the weather.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

21 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

First Miyagi-San, I miss the old Primetime.  Fond memories of kids in college who were my little toddlers watching Primetime before prayers and bed on Sundaynights.

 

You nailed it in concerns.  Forget rain or snow.  That means nothing to the team.  It’s wind. If the wind is minor, Allen far out weighs the strengths of Jones.  I listened to Sal this morning and he is right, don’t be surprised with some designed Allen runs and running yards are running yards.  Who cares if it is from Allen vs the guys.

 

I also think short passes can be a friend to us.  Everyone keeps saying the Pats, but Allen can’t hit Bease for a 3 yard pass and take it farther.  You know Diggs can do that too at 7 yards.  We don’t have to throw 20 yard passes to win.

 

Screw the cheats as I’m over this love fest for the pats.  I hope our team does too and punches them in the mouth.  You think Spencer Brown doesn’t have that “screw you , I’ll knock you’re head off mentality”.  I think so and I’d bet GROOT does too.

 

Show these clowns who really owns the AFCE in the next four weeks.  We did it last year.  Do it again.

i agree. I actually wonder if altering the game plan to short stuff is going to help Josh take the easy stuff and play within himself. 

[Bubba Gump]

I like that forecast for 11 p.m., 28 degrees with a cool breeze. Wonder if Max Jones has ever felt a "cool breeze" in 28 degrees? 

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, QCity said:

Sad. Bunch of little kitties getting ready to blame the weather.

 

 

Queen City Kitty herself has weighed in.

[machine gun kelly]

1 hour ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

i agree. I actually wonder if altering the game plan to short stuff is going to help Josh take the easy stuff and play within himself. 

Maybe Sin Se.  To me is not that complicated when coaching.  You do one thing to drive the other team nuts, and then they adjust, so you adjust and do something else.  Play the, tight with lots of designed runs, Jets screens, heavy package, rub routs short, etc.  then matters loosen up, Allen shocks everyone with a deep route or two.

[NewEra]

3 hours ago, Success said:

I hope the team isn't thinking like the fans are.

 

This team has to embrace these kinds of conditions.  THIS IS BUFFALO, NY.  I hope the players are all going back to crazy pick-up games they played w/ their friends in terrible conditions, and getting stoked about whatever comes.  It's football.  You play in the wind, rain, snow, sleet, mud, whatever.

 

It would be a bummer if they were like, "Oh, no!  We need it to be clear and nice to win!"  I doubt they are, though.

 

Most of the nfl hails from Texas, Florida or California.  Not too many of those games.  I’d guesstimate that 1/10 players enjoy playing in bad weather.
 

its 2021.   People would rather be comfortable and play the game in a setting where they’d be most successful.  
 

Kids today don’t give a crap about the old days and how football is meant to be played.  

[LeGOATski]

30 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Most of the nfl hails from Texas, Florida or California.  Not too many of those games.  I’d guesstimate that 1/10 players enjoy playing in bad weather.
 

its 2021.   People would rather be comfortable and play the game in a setting where they’d be most successful.  
 

Kids today don’t give a crap about the old days and how football is meant to be played.  

Someone should tell these kids that the weather has no effect on your success.

[pennstate10]

5 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

This could really turn into a goofy game with crazy winds, at least at times.

 

I remember many years ago (no idea when it was) a punter in a Bills game punted the ball out at Rich Stadium into a wind that was so great, the ball just went straight up, and was actually blown BACKWARDS by the wind such that the punt went for NEGATIVE YARDS.

 

Or something like that.  Maybe someone can fill in some of the gaps on my memory here.

 

 

I believe it was Steelers punter, around 1985. 

[Billsfan1972]

I started another thread to ask opinions, but somehow seems it should go here....  So....

 

I'm feeling defeated and upset by this forecast.

 

So far 19 pages talking about the weather for Monday Night and I checking the updates, I'm just gutted at what appears to be ridiculously windy conditions.

 

Don't give me "You play the cards you are dealt".  Do I want perfect conditions every week?  Yes I'd be happy with that.  Some adverse conditions are okay, but Monday looks terrible and certainly will play a huge factor in preparation and play calling.

 

This will not be the best version of the Bills or the Pats, and I find myself no where near as excited about the game.  

 

The only hope is that winds do reduce to 10-15 mph......  

[Hebert19]

Weather won't be that bad.  Looking at hourly it looks pretty clear for the game...other than the 40mph wind gusts.

 

Wounded ducks from Mac are on the menu.  

[John Gianelli]

Didn't want to go through 19 pages of thread to see if anyone had posted it yet. But what the heck, can you ever hear this too much?

[NewEra]

11 minutes ago, Hebert19 said:

Weather won't be that bad.  Looking at hourly it looks pretty clear for the game...other than the 40mph wind gusts.

 

Wounded ducks from Mac are on the menu.  

2 yard passes won’t be affected that much. Meanwhile, maybe we can learn how to run the ball