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[bouds]

10 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Uh-Oh - Bill Belichick effusively praising Josh Allen.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/bill-belichick-showers-bills-quarterback-josh-allen-with-praise/ar-AARg1cF

 

Typically when Belichick praises ya, it means he thinks he owns your soul.

Remember last year the broadcast booth let it slip that Bill didn’t seem impressed, Allen carved them up, and Bill had to answer the narrative about why he thought Allen wasn’t all that….LOL. 

 

Hoodie getting out in front of it this time, as usual.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

Allen’s  class was a weak class for QB. None was considered good year one, Mayfield had a few good games and Jackson had success but to this day people knock his QB play. But first 2 years the class was probably considered a Bust with Allen and Lamar being the only two ok QBs.

 

That's actually quite revisionist history.  In his rookie year, Mayfield came in Game 3 and played very well.  The team went 7-7, but Mayfield threw 27 TD to 14 INTs, on a season-adjusted basis would have thrown for >4200 yds, 7.66 ypa.  The problem was the defense was a sieve.

 

Mayfield was considered to have validated the Browns decision to draft him #1 and the sky's the limit next year.  In fact, that viewpoint was so strong that he was reputedly allowed to influence the firing of Hue Jackson/Todd Haley and replacing him with Freddie Kitchens as OC and Gregg Williams as coach, then the hiring of Kitchens as HC next season. 

 

Kitchens was pretty much over his head, and Mayfield regressed badly.

 

Lamar Jackson took over Week 10 of his rookie season and helped the Ravens win 6 of 7 games with a close loss to KC.  Then in 2019 with the offense retooled to suit him, he was NFL League MVP.  Calling the League MVP an "OK QB" is Some *****.

 

Allen was regarded as a a wild man who showed flashes and amazing entertainment potential until 2020.

[Fan in Chicago]

3 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

 Going to be 9-6 score. And people like this? 

As long as it's the Bills scoring 9.

 

And also if one enjoys hearing about half the Bills fans needing cardiac resuscitation. 

[Jeffbigalls]

53 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson said:

Wrong, but I know you, like most people on wny are sick. Can't believe the pats are 8-4. How could this be? 

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, RiotAct said:

I was actually  thinking about this last night during the SNF game.

You have two guys (Allen and Jackson) you can build a franchise around, one decent QB (Mayfield), and two busts in Rosen and Darnold.

 

And assuming that's how it goes, that's really a good class.

[PromoTheRobot]

12 hours ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Yea that’s true…it’s really more about how you respond once defensive coordinators learn your tendencies than instant success anyway. If Mac finishes the season strong he could be the real deal. I can’t shake the feeling that they are the 2020 Miami dolphins but they could certainly prove me wrong (I hope they don’t 😂) tua was managing the games well and their defense was coming up with huge turnovers left and right. two bills drive was in a constant state of panic right around this time of the year much like we are now lol then they had a huge game against us with a trip to the playoffs on the line and we absolutely obliterated them so badly that their fans still complain we ran up the score 

 

I think Belichick creates a system, and if you are a QB of a certain ability to execute his plan well, you succeed. Was Tom Brady born the GOAT, or did playing in Belichick's system for years hone his skills?

Edited November 30, 2021 by PromoTheRobot

[Hapless Bills Fan]

7 minutes ago, Jeffbigalls said:

Wrong, but I know you, like most people on wny are sick. Can't believe the pats are 8-4. How could this be?

 

Not wrong. 

 

Look, Mac Jones is having a very solid rookie season.  He's making good decisions, he's doing what he's asked to do, he's making some good throws downfield.  His stats across the board are stats a good team with a solid run game and great D can win with.

 

But I turn on the Patriots game and there's Troy Aikman talking about how no rookie has ever done what Mac Jones has done and it's just so far over the top that unless you're an Uber fan it's like "seriously?".  Because this is what his passing chart looked like, and again, not to take a thing away from Mac Jones who is playing well and doing what he's asked to do - there's nothing wrong with this passer chart for a rookie - but the over-praiseful narrative forces me to agree.  It's just too much.

 

[Doc Brown]

3 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

Allen’s  class was a weak class for QB. None was considered good year one, Mayfield had a few good games and Jackson had success but to this day people knock his QB play. But first 2 years the class was probably considered a Bust with Allen and Lamar being the only two ok QBs.

In hindsight.  Yes.  I remember before the 2017 draft that next year’s qb class was loaded so it would be smart to pass on Watson, Mahomes, Trubisky, etc. and add talent at another position if you were thinking about drafting a qb.  You’ve got to trust your scouts.  

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

I thin Belichick creates a system, and if you are a QB of a certain ability to execute his plan well, you succeed. Was Tom Brady born the GOAT, or did playing in Belichick's system for years hone his skills?

 

There's no question that playing in Belichick's system helped Brady succeed his first years, but to be fair to Brady his fierce competitiveness and desire to improve honed his skills.  And it pains me to say that, but True is True.

[Big Blitz]

Get up on their tiny garbage WRs and be physical with them.  They will try to be with us, being very fired up after 2 whoopings last year.  Match that and punch them in the mouth.  

 

Let your 6 in the box handle the run game.  No pass rush bc the ball will be gone in 2.3 seconds max.   

 

Cover Hunter Henry that's his go to in the RZ and when he needs a play.  Milano and our Safeties should handle this.    

 

Adjust as needed.  

 

Done.  

Edited November 30, 2021 by Big Blitz

[Ghost_002!]

4 hours ago, Success said:

 

I appreciate your belief in him, but he doesn't play against Dak or Brady.

 

And man, was Brady off that game.  I don't know if it was nerves or BB knowing him so well - but that game is probably a blowout 9x out of 10.  The Pats scored 17 points - saying he went "toe to toe w/ Brady" kind of glosses over that.

 

He really hasn't proven anything, except for efficiency & accuracy in an offense where he's not asked to do much, and that is designed specifically for what he does well.  He has faced almost zero adversity in the NFL to this point. And he is protected as well as just about any other QB in the league.  I can't believe the time he has in the pocket when I watch some of those games. 

 

 

 

You are wrong, he has improved. Each week they are given him more and trusting him more with the offense. If you really were to look at him from week 1 to now. He is a different QB; from his reads to what they are asking him to do. He has always been accurate and efficient. And again, he is not the focal point of the offense. Not because he lacks ability, it's because they are bring him along slowly. It's the same approach they have had with all their QBs.

 

They would do the same if Trevor Lawrence was their QB. You are right he hasn't faced any adversity yet, Monday will be a great test. And i remembered you speaking of his pocket protection before. The Oline has gotten better, but in the first few weeks the line was crap and he was getting killed. And i also remembered you saying "he doesn't roll out" or they do not design roll outs for him. I know you seen they had two for him last week versus the Titans again speaking of how much more they are given him and trusting him with the offense. (notice you haven't seen much trick plays these last few weeks...)

 

In the Titans game the running game was not effective and he was fine making plays and throwing the ball. And there were times he was rushed. He either was able to dump it off in the flat or hit Meyers in the middle of the field right before the sack got there, or even audible to another play. Again speaking of his progression as a QB in that offense....things they couldn't get Cam Newton to do. 

Edited November 30, 2021 by Ghost_002!

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Uh-Oh - Bill Belichick effusively praising Josh Allen.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/bill-belichick-showers-bills-quarterback-josh-allen-with-praise/ar-AARg1cF

 

Typically when Belichick praises ya, it means he thinks he owns your soul.

 

Maybe he forgot Allen making him slam the phone down at Foxboro last year because he had no answers

[Ghost_002!]

2 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Maybe he forgot Allen making him slam the phone down at Foxboro last year because he had no answers

 

 

Different team from last year, different defense from last year. 

[Do The Reich Thing]

Just no Nick Folk at the buzzer please. I’ve seen enough of that in Buffalo on MNF for the rest of eternity. 

[CheshireCT]

12 hours ago, Success said:

 

That's a good perspective.

 

Personally, I was hoping to blow them out twice a year for eternity, while they ended up picking between 8-11 in the draft every year.

 

 

I mean maybe another year or two of that would be rewarding at least, haha.

[Stank_Nasty]

I can’t believe the most level headed take on this game I’ve seen is from a Boston sports network. Refreshing.

 

 

Meanwhile in other news a normally rational Kay Adams was just on GMFB saying Mac Jones is the best QB in the AFC. This crap from the mainstream is getting completely absurd. It’s completely out of control. 

[YoloinOhio]

6 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

I can’t believe the most level headed take on this game I’ve seen is from a Boston sports network. Refreshing.

 

 

Meanwhile in other news a normally rational Kay Adams was just on GMFB saying Mac Jones is the best QB in the AFC. This crap from the mainstream is getting completely absurd. It’s completely out of control. 

Nope, let it build and build. It’s exactly what our coaches want.

[Stank_Nasty]

2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Nope, let it build and build. It’s exactly what our coaches want.

Man, I knew this weeks pats coverage would be sorta silly but it’s bordering pure madness right now. 

[Greg S]

7 hours ago, Jeffbigalls said:

Wrong, but I know you, like most people on wny are sick. Can't believe the pats are 8-4. How could this be? 

 

 

 

Actually its not really that surprising. They spent a ton of money in FA to shore up some weak spots. A few of their players who opted out last year because of Covid are back this year. They have done a nice job with Game Manager Jones. That said if the Bills bring their "A" game they will win. They will have to bring their "A" game because I expect this will to go down to the wire. Just like last night's Seattle-Washington game did. Only their won't be a million 3 and outs by the offenses. 

[nucci]

20 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

I can’t believe the most level headed take on this game I’ve seen is from a Boston sports network. Refreshing.

 

 

Meanwhile in other news a normally rational Kay Adams was just on GMFB saying Mac Jones is the best QB in the AFC. This crap from the mainstream is getting completely absurd. It’s completely out of control. 

why do you listen to it and let it bother you?

[Stank_Nasty]

1 minute ago, nucci said:

why do you listen to it and let it bother you?

Not everyone can be that cool, man. Sorry…. I’m a fan and enjoy sports coverage. I also enjoy that show for their common sense views 99% of the time. So it’s disappointing to have to deal with that BS on a show I enjoy. 
 

Not sure how that’s a foreign concept. But you do you, bro. 

[nucci]

27 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

Not everyone can be that cool, man. Sorry…. I’m a fan and enjoy sports coverage. I also enjoy that show for their common sense views 99% of the time. So it’s disappointing to have to deal with that BS on a show I enjoy. 
 

Not sure how that’s a foreign concept. But you do you, bro. 

you do you? Really....how about it is what it is....it's not a foreign concept. I enjoy sports coverage as well but don't let every single comment bother me. Right now the Pats are the hottest team and Jones is playing well so they will get attention. How is that a foreign concept to you.....? well you do you, bro

[TH3]

Hopefully the actual Bills players and coaching staff aren't as paranoid and insecure as TBD posters....

[HereComesTheReignAgain]

1 hour ago, Stank_Nasty said:

 

Meanwhile in other news a normally rational Kay Adams was just on GMFB saying Mac Jones is the best QB in the AFC. This crap from the mainstream is getting completely absurd. It’s completely out of control. 

Kay has really been a disappointment this season.  She seems very uninterested and uninformed.  Very anti Bills and Josh Allen for some reason.  

41 minutes ago, nucci said:

you do you? Really....how about it is what it is....it's not a foreign concept. I enjoy sports coverage as well but don't let every single comment bother me. Right now the Pats are the hottest team and Jones is playing well so they will get attention. How is that a foreign concept to you.....? well you do you, bro

Last season the common Josh Allen theme among Kay and most of the sports commentators was "can he do it for more than X games"?  Or "it has only been one season of good play, we need to see what he does next year".  For some reason many of those same commentators are ready to crown Mac Jones as a great QB after half a season of football.

[Jeffbigalls]

1 hour ago, Stank_Nasty said:

I can’t believe the most level headed take on this game I’ve seen is from a Boston sports network. Refreshing.

 

 

Meanwhile in other news a normally rational Kay Adams was just on GMFB saying Mac Jones is the best QB in the AFC. This crap from the mainstream is getting completely absurd. It’s completely out of control. 

Lol is level headed if they think the bills win? 

 

[BritBill]

7 minutes ago, HereComesTheReignAgain said:

Kay has really been a disappointment this season.  She seems very uninterested and uninformed.  Very anti Bills and Josh Allen for some reason.  

Last season the common Josh Allen theme among Kay and most of the sports commentators was "can he do it for more than X games"?  Or "it has only been one season of good play, we need to see what he does next year".  For some reason many of those same commentators are ready to crown Mac Jones as a great QB after half a season of football.

 

It's getting very close to the point where I'm going to have to reconsider letting her have sex with me. 

[nucci]

1 minute ago, BritBill said:

 

It's getting very close to the point where I'm going to have to reconsider letting her have sex with me. 

that's a tough call....hold off for a bit.

9 minutes ago, HereComesTheReignAgain said:

Kay has really been a disappointment this season.  She seems very uninterested and uninformed.  Very anti Bills and Josh Allen for some reason.  

Last season the common Josh Allen theme among Kay and most of the sports commentators was "can he do it for more than X games"?  Or "it has only been one season of good play, we need to see what he does next year".  For some reason many of those same commentators are ready to crown Mac Jones as a great QB after half a season of football.

24 hour sports coverage on numerous networks..opinions change by the minute

[Big Turk]

8 hours ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

Different team from last year, different defense from last year. 

 

So is our defense...still ranked #1 in the NFL in a wide array of categories, including only allowing a ridiculous 4.6 yards per play.

 

Although the loss of Tre is going to hurt.

 

Edited November 30, 2021 by Big Turk

[Jeffbigalls]

1 hour ago, Greg S said:

 

Actually its not really that surprising. They spent a ton of money in FA to shore up some weak spots. A few of their players who opted out last year because of Covid are back this year. They have done a nice job with Game Manager Jones. That said if the Bills bring their "A" game they will win. They will have to bring their "A" game because I expect this will to go down to the wire. Just like last night's Seattle-Washington game did. Only their won't be a million 3 and outs by the offenses. 

If the pats bring there A game the Pats win, it's that simple. Pats are the better team and it's not even close, the bills have struggled against bad teams. The Jags and colts games are telling, after hearing all week at work how the bills were gonna do this and that they lose 9-6 to the absolute worst team in the AFC. 

 

[BritBill]

4 minutes ago, Jeffbigalls said:

If the pats bring there A game the Pats win, it's that simple. Pats are the better team and it's not even close, the bills have struggled against bad teams. The Jags and colts games are telling, after hearing all week at work how the bills were gonna do this and that they lose 9-6 to the absolute worst team in the AFC. 

 

 

What a time to be alive. 

[Mango]

27 minutes ago, TH3 said:

Hopefully the actual Bills players and coaching staff aren't as paranoid and insecure as TBD posters....

 

NE is a tough test, and Tre is about as major of a loss not named Josh Allen as this team can take. But the world is ending and we have not even played a game without him yet. 

Those same people will start 63 threads Monday Night if Dane Jackson has a pick 6 and/or the Bills work the Pats in front of a national audience that Beane over paid White. 

Don't even get me started on the group text I am on....

 

 

[Its Allen the hips]

 

[Greg S]

45 minutes ago, Jeffbigalls said:

If the pats bring there A game the Pats win, it's that simple. Pats are the better team and it's not even close, the bills have struggled against bad teams. The Jags and colts games are telling, after hearing all week at work how the bills were gonna do this and that they lose 9-6 to the absolute worst team in the AFC. 

 

 

Struggled against bad teams? You mean like losing to the Dolphins and Saints at home. This will be a tough game and it is close roster wise. Truth is NE really isn't in first place as both teams are tied in the loss column. 8-4 vs 7-4. Only reason the Pats are in "first place" is because they have played one more game. Have to give the Bills the opportunity to play their game when NE is on a bye. Bills have the much better QB and they are home. Bills mafia will be off the charts insane. Bills win a close one  is my call.

Edited November 30, 2021 by Greg S

[Stank_Nasty]

42 minutes ago, Jeffbigalls said:

Lol is level headed if they think the bills win? 

 

No. The fact that they think it’s gonna be a tough game and acknowledge it’s the hardest environment he’s had to date. Also not just crowning the pats with the East. 
 

but nice try, bud. You seem like a real gem. 

Edited November 30, 2021 by Stank_Nasty

[HappyDays]

 

[HereComesTheReignAgain]

53 minutes ago, Jeffbigalls said:

If the pats bring there A game the Pats win, it's that simple. Pats are the better team and it's not even close, the bills have struggled against bad teams. The Jags and colts games are telling, after hearing all week at work how the bills were gonna do this and that they lose 9-6 to the absolute worst team in the AFC. 

 

There are a bunch of sad trolls that frequent TBD, but you are by far the least entertaining.  There is nothing witty or intelligent in any of your posts.  It must be a really depressing existence when you are bad at being a bad poster.  Where do you go from there?

Edited November 30, 2021 by HereComesTheReignAgain

[JMF2006]

Pretty sure it is back to work day for the Bills

 

After Friday through Monday as days off they should be rested a bit and ready to prep for the Pats

[KingBoots8]

17 minutes ago, Jeffbigalls said:

If the pats bring there A game the Pats win, it's that simple. Pats are the better team and it's not even close, the bills have struggled against bad teams. The Jags and colts games are telling, after hearing all week at work how the bills were gonna do this and that they lose 9-6 to the absolute worst team in the AFC. 
 

 

 

Because the Patriots, in all their glory, have never turned in a bad performance against a bottom feeder, right?

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/game/_/gameId/301107005

 

 

[Negan]

Bill Vinovich and his crew will ref Bills Pats game.

 

Same ref from AFC Championship game last year and Bills cowboys Thanksgiving game a couple years ago...

 

Not great not terrible 

[Mat68]

16 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Shhh.  The Patriots have the best running game in the league.