Heels20X6 Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 Just getting the temperature of the fan base...has the NFL's embrace of gambling taken away from your enjoyment of the game? For me, it has... I have trouble wondering if the officiating is completely incompetent, or there are other factors at play to keep "the line moving"... This isn't just related to Bills games either. Every game I've watched there's this questionable call that completely changes the outcome of a game, and you sit there wondering how something like that could be called at that point of the game. Not only that, the number of upsets this year has been very strange. It seems like a lot of forced parity to keep the bookies happy... Maybe I just need a better tinfoil hat... 1 2 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Hooks Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, Heels20X6 said: Just getting the temperature of the fan base...has the NFL's embrace of gambling taken away from your enjoyment of the game? For me, it has... I have trouble wondering if the officiating is completely incompetent, or there are other factors at play to keep "the line moving"... This isn't just related to Bills games either. Every game I've watched there's this questionable call that completely changes the outcome of a game, and you sit there wondering how something like that could be called at that point of the game. Not only that, the number of upsets this year has been very strange. It seems like a lot of forced parity to keep the bookies happy... Maybe I just need a better tinfoil hat... Nah… not at all. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 I’m not so sure it has to do with gambling, but the incompetence of officiating is palpable. Each week I feel like I’m noticing it more and more. The sequence in the Bills game yesterday with the measurement was comical. It was clearly very very close. Instead they give the first down and then decide they want to try to measure it after the chains had been moved. Just terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddenboy Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 Commercial breaks. It seems now, more then ever, that there is a break at every. possible. opportunity. for decades we have all known that the reason we get free TV is the advertising. But now, reading this post, I'm thinking the NFL has an incentive to maintain or increase the number of breaks. So we can get our bets in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UConn James Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 It makes me very uncomfortable / wary. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 5 minutes ago, PetermansRedemption said: I’m not so sure it has to do with gambling, but the incompetence of officiating is palpable. Each week I feel like I’m noticing it more and more. The sequence in the Bills game yesterday with the measurement was comical. It was clearly very very close. Instead they give the first down and then decide they want to try to measure it after the chains had been moved. Just terrible. I agree it was comical. A couple things, they have reduced measurements because there used to be too many. That one deserved a measurement and they obviously jumped the gun but they did have a way to go back to exactly where it was so the system worked. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heels20X6 Posted November 22, 2021 Author Share Posted November 22, 2021 8 minutes ago, PetermansRedemption said: I’m not so sure it has to do with gambling, but the incompetence of officiating is palpable. Each week I feel like I’m noticing it more and more. The sequence in the Bills game yesterday with the measurement was comical. It was clearly very very close. Instead they give the first down and then decide they want to try to measure it after the chains had been moved. Just terrible. That's the thing...it's SO bad this season, across the board...it just makes me wonder if we've got something fishy going on to keep the games closer than they need to be. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 I don't think there is a noticeable increase in game changing calls. Yes personal fouls, holding, PI are subjective and so there is inherent inconsistency. I like to point out that catches are now rarely controversial, so this is an area the NFL made improvements. Which call changed the game against the Bills yesterday? In my experience, gamblers have lots of "theories" and most don't actually have a clue what they are doing or that they are not skilled enough to win. I do think Sports betting is something that can be beat but you need a lot of resources (see Bills Walters), the average smuck is just giving the vig away over time. Which is fine, its their entertainment dollars to do that with. 19 minutes ago, Heels20X6 said: Just getting the temperature of the fan base...has the NFL's embrace of gambling taken away from your enjoyment of the game? For me, it has... I have trouble wondering if the officiating is completely incompetent, or there are other factors at play to keep "the line moving"... This isn't just related to Bills games either. Every game I've watched there's this questionable call that completely changes the outcome of a game, and you sit there wondering how something like that could be called at that point of the game. Not only that, the number of upsets this year has been very strange. It seems like a lot of forced parity to keep the bookies happy... Maybe I just need a better tinfoil hat... I dont get this statement, bookies dont need parity to make money, all they need are betters. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugar High JA17 Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 It ruined our team this year, thanks to BetMGM, Caesar's, FanDuel. The Bills believed that they had already won the SB and Josh Allen was the MVP... So why play hard! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 Mute the announcers, stop logging into 100 sites to analyze every call, and watch on a low def 32 inch tv and you will feel like you did back in the 90s watching. as much as anything, the supposed increase in bad calls is our hyper critical approach to analyzing every last play 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookylookyherecomescookie Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 12 minutes ago, Heels20X6 said: That's the thing...it's SO bad this season, across the board...it just makes me wonder if we've got something fishy going on to keep the games closer than they need to be. clearly not a concern in yesterday's Bills game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 No. The Buffalo Bills have ruined my experience for the last month or so. And I neither gamble nor play fantasy football. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First Round Bust Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 not as much as the partnership with the refs regarding roughing-the-passer penalties being called even for soft, ticky-tack touches are very maddening... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorkScrewHill Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/12/28/point-spread-started-moving-toward-raiders-before-colts-put-carson-wentz-on-covid-19-reserve/ as always .. the little guy gets screwed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 (edited) No. Everyone knew about it, but for some reason the NFL wanted to pretend it wasn't happening. If anything I respect it. Just own it. Edited December 28, 2021 by Big Turk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 On 11/22/2021 at 12:58 PM, Heels20X6 said: Just getting the temperature of the fan base...has the NFL's embrace of gambling taken away from your enjoyment of the game? For me, it has... I have trouble wondering if the officiating is completely incompetent, or there are other factors at play to keep "the line moving"... This isn't just related to Bills games either. Every game I've watched there's this questionable call that completely changes the outcome of a game, and you sit there wondering how something like that could be called at that point of the game. Not only that, the number of upsets this year has been very strange. It seems like a lot of forced parity to keep the bookies happy... Maybe I just need a better tinfoil hat... No but I do worry that within a few years we will learn of players/refs/officials making bets in games they're involved in. It's too tempting. Not necessarily throwing a game. Bur say you're playing for the Jags, a team running for the bus. You're a WR. And a player prop says your O/U on receptions in a game is 2.5. So you have a buddy drop a ton on the under and you make sure you drop everything after #2. It's bound to happen eventually. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 Nah. Roughing the passer has though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 Unrelated, but I always get a chuckle out of the service that advertises, "bet with a winner" as if that's convincing Of course you're a winner, you're the house! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 Hasnt changed a bit for me. Still love watching the league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 It really has. I am very sad. Due to this partnership I find I am no longer able to find the joys I once had in life. Restless sleep. Random crying. A loss of the ability to maintain an erection for longer than 4 hours. And I find myself drawn to Hallmark Movie Classics...but only the ones with the DJ from Full House. I feel like those last 2 are related. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NobesBLO13 Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 22 minutes ago, No Place To Hyde said: It really has. I am very sad. Due to this partnership I find I am no longer able to find the joys I once had in life. Restless sleep. Random crying. A loss of the ability to maintain an erection for longer than 4 hours. And I find myself drawn to Hallmark Movie Classics...but only the ones with the DJ from Full House. I feel like those last 2 are related. Time for a hooker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 1 minute ago, NobesBLO13 said: Time for a hooker. I would be all for it as a 3rd safety, but he's signed with the Cowboys this year. https://www.nbcsportsedge.com/football/nfl/player/8322/malik-hooker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 On 11/22/2021 at 12:58 PM, Heels20X6 said: Just getting the temperature of the fan base...has the NFL's embrace of gambling taken away from your enjoyment of the game? For me, it has... I have trouble wondering if the officiating is completely incompetent, or there are other factors at play to keep "the line moving"... This isn't just related to Bills games either. Every game I've watched there's this questionable call that completely changes the outcome of a game, and you sit there wondering how something like that could be called at that point of the game. Not only that, the number of upsets this year has been very strange. It seems like a lot of forced parity to keep the bookies happy... Maybe I just need a better tinfoil hat... Nope - nothing has changed except instead of 52 stupid beer commercials- we now get 10 stupid gambling commercials thrown in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 It hasn’t ruined my football experience, but has totally **** my politics experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsatlastin2018 Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 On 11/22/2021 at 12:58 PM, Heels20X6 said: Just getting the temperature of the fan base...has the NFL's embrace of gambling taken away from your enjoyment of the game? For me, it has... Maybe I just need a better tinfoil hat... THIS! ^^^^^^ I’ve been betting the NFL for 50 years, every which way and format. ‘Embracing gambling’ has increased my interest. However, the way that the NFL has done it is really Kindergarten level so far. What is really needed is a parallel NFL Network show, akin to Red Zone, which TOTALLY focuses on gambling from the Opening Kickoff until the Final Gun of EVERY game. That would be the Spreads and every quarter, the Totals and every quarter. Even the critical Fantasy props! Until I see that, it’s meh to me! As for the Refs, they’ve been incompetent for 1/2 a century, too. *Ever see the Immaculate Reception? * Oilers player sliding through the End Zone at 3 Rivers for a Playoff clinching TD- ruled Incomplete? * ANY spots for fantasy Brady First Downs @ Gillette v.s. the Bills? * ANY calls for the Seahawks at Home in critical late season games? *Etc... there are scores of them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern_Bills Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 Officiating was bad before gambling. Is it intentional? Are they just blind? Only they know and they aren't telling. Either way, if the Officiating this year turns you off I'm wondering how you watched the last 3 years anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 Officiating has been inconsistent for years. It's not any worse this year than it has been. In fact, just a couple years ago we couldn't even get the catch rule right. Catches that were obvious catches were being overruled. Challenging pass interference a couple years ago was the biggest joke of officiating I have ever seen. So maybe if I felt officiating was different now I could entertain this idea, but it's not. You just have recency bias. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 Officiating has for sure. Gambling on games doesn't matter to me until we see someone pull a Billy Cole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 6 hours ago, CorkScrewHill said: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/12/28/point-spread-started-moving-toward-raiders-before-colts-put-carson-wentz-on-covid-19-reserve/ as always .. the little guy gets screwed Should be the biggest story in sports this week. Should be.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 Nope. But the endless gambling commercials are ANNOYING. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harryS Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 There has been gambling on football for decades and decades, way before the NFL partnered with some casinos. If there are shenanigans going on, it's been going on for a long time. And official relationship doesn't change anything. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayboy54 Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 14 hours ago, Jester said: Nope. But the endless gambling commercials are ANNOYING. Agree ... and make it rain! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
out Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 What about when in Stadium gambling begins ? Any thoughts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 15 hours ago, The Wiz said: Officiating has for sure. Gambling on games doesn't matter to me until we see someone pull a Billy Cole. A movie that absolutely deserved a sequel. An underrated Bruce Willis movie when he cared about acting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 I don't like it only insofar as it moves us one step closer to a world where "sports talk" is synonymous with "gambling talk" and I have ZERO interest in gambling, point spreads, fantasy teams, etc... It's getting to the point where sports talk radio can't go 10 minutes without making some type of reference to some aspect of gambling or fantasy sports--and I hate all of it. I'm amazed at the lengths some of these guys will go to to ramble on about their personal fantasy sports team situation, as though anyone in the world would care but themselves! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehfeuh57 Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 On 11/22/2021 at 12:58 PM, Heels20X6 said: the number of upsets this year has been very strange. It seems like a lot of forced parity to keep the bookies happy... The house historically does better when the favorites win 15 hours ago, MJS said: Challenging pass interference a couple years ago was the biggest joke of officiating I have ever seen. The rulings of those challenges were certainly a joke if that's what you mean. But the principle of being able to challenge PI is NOT a joke and should be implemented once again. Only next time find a way to get the calls right after the challenge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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