Spencer Brown placed on Covid List [Edit: Thurs 11/18]

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

On 11/19/2021 at 11:14 AM, jletha said:

No, I just saw this:

 

 

I think it has been updated though that he wont discuss Spencer's vaccination status.

Even if vaccinated he still needs two negative tests in a row right? we could be waiting for that hopefully 

[SWATeam]

9 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

The signing of Hart is a good clue, IMO

[Sundancer]

17 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

Brown I expect to be out. Big problem against Taylor that Star is likely out as well. 

[jletha]

23 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Even if vaccinated he still needs two negative tests in a row right? we could be waiting for that hopefully 

 Correct. I am only inferring that "Nobody has been ruled out yet" But maybe they mean players with traditional injuries. Or maybe hes just being vague. We will find out soon enough.

[Mr. WEO]

27 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Williams has had a total of 3 penalties called on him so far this season, out of 661 snaps.  He's not even close to a "penalty machine."  Brown became the starter at RT because he was ready to start and because moving Williams improved the RG spot.  

 

And don't worry, we don't need you to tell.  You didn't like the pick.  We get it.

 

My bad, I meant Dawkins is the penalty machine.  

 

Didn't like the pick?  Meh, 3rd rounder can be a throwaway.  If he turns out to be a stud that's a find.

 

Point is that people fretting that the team is doomed Sunday because a rookie who's missed more starts than he's made will miss another start, is a bit over the top.....

[Sundancer]

5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

My bad, I meant Dawkins is the penalty machine.  

 

Didn't like the pick?  Meh, 3rd rounder can be a throwaway.  If he turns out to be a stud that's a find.

 

Point is that people fretting that the team is doomed Sunday because a rookie who's missed more starts than he's made will miss another start, is a bit over the top.....

 

More worried about Star being out but Brown being out is a problem for sure. 

[ngbills]

Assuming Brown is out the Bills need to do more of what they did last week. Two TE sets, a bit more Gilliam in backfield, extra OL on plays, etc. I think sets with both singletary and breida split in the backfield can be effective with chip blocks and routes to the flat. 

[Mr. WEO]

5 minutes ago, Sundancer said:

 

More worried about Star being out but Brown being out is a problem for sure. 

 

Bills beat the Colts in a playoff game last year without either of them.  Stop worrying so much.  

[Scott7975]

4 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Williams is a penalty machine.  He's not better than Brown I guess.

 

But to answer your question specifically, it's hard for me to tell....because it's been difficult to zero in on his play because he's had only 4 starts and only 1 in 4 weeks.  

 

If your argument is that Brown's value is in keeping an awful Ford off the field, then...ok.  I guess that's something.

 

I blinked and I missed it.

 

My argument is that he is the best player on the team in his position and the depth is grocery baggers.  He also plays that position very well so far.  If you can't see why losing him on an already terrible line is bad then you didn't really watch the games this year.

4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Bills beat the Colts in a playoff game last year without either of them.  Stop worrying so much.  

 

and they struggled to do so in large part because they were dominated in both trenches.

[PaattMaann]

9 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

My argument is that he is the best player on the team in his position and the depth is grocery baggers.  He also plays that position very well so far.  If you can't see why losing him on an already terrible line is bad then you didn't really watch the games this year.

 

and they struggled to do so in large part because they were dominated in both trenches.

 

was there, saw no struggling. We were firmly in control of the game for 3 plus quarters. 24-10 with under 12 minutes to go. 

[Mr. WEO]

8 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

My argument is that he is the best player on the team in his position and the depth is grocery baggers.  He also plays that position very well so far.  If you can't see why losing him on an already terrible line is bad then you didn't really watch the games this year.

 

I haven't said he's no good.  But the Bills have had 3 blowout wins with him and 3 without him as the starter.  

[LABILLBACKER]

2 hours ago, Doc said:

 

Williams has had a total of 3 penalties called on him so far this season, out of 661 snaps.  He's not even close to a "penalty machine."  Brown became the starter at RT because he was ready to start and because moving Williams improved the RG spot.  

 

And don't worry, we don't need you to tell.  You didn't like the pick.  We get it.

If you keep him at RG, that's where he's most productive. Stick him back at RT and penalties will be the least of your worries. 

[ganesh]

22 hours ago, gobills404 said:

Thank god the colts have a middling pass rush. I really hope we keep Williams at RG to help against Buckner (and keep continuity on the iOL) and roll with Bates or Doyle at RT.

RG is going to be an issue again this game

[Buffalo_Stampede]

2 hours ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Even if vaccinated he still needs two negative tests in a row right? we could be waiting for that hopefully 

I'd not ruled out then maybe they have 1 negative test already. Positive sign.

[Max Fischer]

Dear Bills - Please get vaxxed. Good for you, good for society, good for the team  and good for my sanity. 

[Doc]

2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

My bad, I meant Dawkins is the penalty machine.  

 

Didn't like the pick?  Meh, 3rd rounder can be a throwaway.  If he turns out to be a stud that's a find.

 

Point is that people fretting that the team is doomed Sunday because a rookie who's missed more starts than he's made will miss another start, is a bit over the top.....

 

Dawkins has 5 total called penalties in 664 snaps.  

 

Third rounders shouldn't be throwaways.  And so far, he is a find.

 

But yes, the game/season isn't over if he's gone for this game.  It will make it harder though.

 

30 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I'd not ruled out then maybe they have 1 negative test already. Positive sign.

 

Let's hope.

Edited November 19, 2021 by Doc

[Mr. WEO]

4 hours ago, Doc said:

 

Dawkins has 5 total called penalties in 664 snaps.  

 

Third rounders shouldn't be throwaways.  And so far, he is a find.

 

But yes, the game/season isn't over if he's gone for this game.  It will make it harder though.

 

 

Let's hope.

 

6.  tied for 4th highest number.

 

For the bolded, we'll find out Sunday.

 

[frostbitmic]

No worries, we've re-signed Bobby Hart.  🥸

[ehfeuh57]

will Spencer be available for the Thanksgiving game?

[Estro]

33 minutes ago, DrDare said:

will Spencer be available for the Thanksgiving game?

If he's not vaccinated he won't be back in time for the Saints game. 

 

If he is vaccinated he'll be back.

 

I have no information on his vaccine status, other than a hunch.....and my hunch is that he's not. I'm expecting him to miss Thanksgiving day game,, hopefully I'm wrong.

[Doc]

3 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

6.  tied for 4th highest number.

 

For the bolded, we'll find out Sunday.

 

Pro Football Reference has him at 5.  That averages to a penalty every other game.  Big deal. 

[SCBills]

1 hour ago, Estro said:

If he's not vaccinated he won't be back in time for the Saints game. 

 

If he is vaccinated he'll be back.

 

I have no information on his vaccine status, other than a hunch.....and my hunch is that he's not. I'm expecting him to miss Thanksgiving day game,, hopefully I'm wrong.

If I had to guess, I’d guess that he’s not - but even if he is - it’s a short week.  If he has symptoms, no guarantees either way. 

[LABILLBACKER]

5 hours ago, Estro said:

If he's not vaccinated he won't be back in time for the Saints game. 

 

If he is vaccinated he'll be back.

 

I have no information on his vaccine status, other than a hunch.....and my hunch is that he's not. I'm expecting him to miss Thanksgiving day game,, hopefully I'm wrong.

If he's out 10 days he's not vaccinated.  Simple math. First Star and now Spencer. Very important starters. I'm so sick and tired of this F...ing virus. It's sure taking it's good time leaving.....

[UKBillFan]

3 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

If he's out 10 days he's not vaccinated.  Simple math. First Star and now Spencer. Very important starters. I'm so sick and tired of this F...ing virus. It's sure taking it's good time leaving.....

It won’t leave; we’re going to be stuck with it for ever more. With vaccinations, treatments and immunity the restrictions should eventually dissipate though.

[Chandler#81]

18 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

My bad, I meant Dawkins is the penalty machine.  

 

Didn't like the pick?  Meh, 3rd rounder can be a throwaway.  If he turns out to be a stud that's a find.

 

Point is that people fretting that the team is doomed Sunday because a rookie who's missed more starts than he's made will miss another start, is a bit over the top.....

It’s not as much about a promising rookie missing the game, it’s about the collection of misfits and another Oline shuffle required to replace him.

[GETTOTHE50]

For the first time, I’m a pro mandatory vaxxer for all football players. If spencer brown’s absence is the reason we lose this game then I’m gonna be pissssssssedddd

[YoloinOhio]

15 hours ago, Estro said:

If he's not vaccinated he won't be back in time for the Saints game. 

 

If he is vaccinated he'll be back.

 

I have no information on his vaccine status, other than a hunch.....and my hunch is that he's not. I'm expecting him to miss Thanksgiving day game,, hopefully I'm wrong.

Not necessarily. He still has to cycle through any symptoms he may have and pass two negative tests. Big Ben is vaccinated and still isn’t cleared yet for tomorrow after missing last week’s game. Trubisky was on the the list for 10 days too. The point is we don’t know any of their vax status or symptoms but 10 days is probably the expectation each time. 
 

edit:Ben cleared today 

Edited November 20, 2021 by YoloinOhio

[cd1]

 

 

It leave such a sour taste...

 

- after all these years of rooting for the Bills, to finally have a team CAPABLE of winning it all BUT half of the players (seemingly) not CARING about winning it all.

[finn]

1 hour ago, GETTOTHE50 said:

For the first time, I’m a pro mandatory vaxxer for all football players. If spencer brown’s absence is the reason we lose this game then I’m gonna be pissssssssedddd

Could get much, much worse. Who else on the team quietly chose not to get vaccinated? Mongo? Knox? Davis? We could be seeing the same pattern every week for the rest of the season into the playoffs, if the Bills make them. The margins are pretty slim in the best of cases. Plus, not every player who gets COVID will come right back. Dawkins was in the hospital for like a week or more. But better to miss games, land in intensive care or even die in agony than risk a vaccine that may, someday, who knows?, have side effects. I read on Facebook that a guy's cousin developed a rash!

[nucci]

2 minutes ago, finn said:

Could get much, much worse. Who else on the team quietly chose not to get vaccinated? Mongo? Knox? Davis? We could be seeing the same pattern every week for the rest of the season into the playoffs, if the Bills make them. The margins are pretty slim in the best of cases. Plus, not every player who gets COVID will come right back. Dawkins was in the hospital for like a week or more. But better to miss games, land in intensive care or even die in agony than risk a vaccine that may, someday, who knows?, have side effects. I read on Facebook that a guy's cousin developed a rash!

it's happening to many teams. Cooper out at least next 2 Cowboy games

[In Summary]

2 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

It’s not as much about a promising rookie missing the game, it’s about the collection of misfits and another Oline shuffle required to replace him.

It's the Brown Effect for sure.

[Mr. WEO]

3 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

It’s not as much about a promising rookie missing the game, it’s about the collection of misfits and another Oline shuffle required to replace him.

 

That's been all season, yet they are 6-3 and lead the division.

[Solomon Grundy]

4 hours ago, UKBillFan said:

It won’t leave; we’re going to be stuck with it for ever more. With vaccinations, treatments and immunity the restrictions should eventually dissipate though.

If only this situation was handled correctly from Day 1😎

[kkim0904]

With new signing of OL and no news on Brown, It seems he is not vaccinated.  He will be out 2+ game.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

14 hours ago, DrDare said:

will Spencer be available for the Thanksgiving game?

 

The answer is "Perhaps"

 

Factors:

Is he vaccinated? 

The general guess from his Insta timeline and a photo from a month ago of him wearing a mask (TBN story) on the sideline seems to be "No."

 

-If not vaccinated, the minimum he can be out is 10 days from the date his positive sample was taken (Nov 17 or 18) - Nope, he's missing the Thanksgiving game too.

-If vaccinated and no symptoms, in theory he could test negative today and tomorrow or tomorrow and Sunday, and be active for this Sunday's game - but that is probably unlikely.

 

-Either way, he could be out longer than 10 days if he has persistent symptoms or fails medical clearance

 

 

 

 

[YoloinOhio]

9 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

If he's out 10 days he's not vaccinated.  Simple math. First Star and now Spencer. Very important starters. I'm so sick and tired of this F...ing virus. It's sure taking it's good time leaving.....

It isn’t simple math. If he’s out less than 10 days, you can indeed infer that he is vaccinated. It doesn’t work the other way, though. Vaccinated players can be out 10 days as well (or longer). 

[ganesh]

3 hours ago, cd1 said:

 

 

It leave such a sour taste...

 

- after all these years of rooting for the Bills, to finally have a team CAPABLE of winning it all BUT half of the players (seemingly) not CARING about winning it all.

I am a pro-vaccine too....but you have to allow others to make judgement on a virus that is NOT YET WELL Understood by humans and we have no idea on whom to trust amongst Government, Drug Lobby's and people with financial interests. 

[YoloinOhio]

3 hours ago, cd1 said:

 

 

It leave such a sour taste...

 

- after all these years of rooting for the Bills, to finally have a team CAPABLE of winning it all BUT half of the players (seemingly) not CARING about winning it all.

Your math is a bit off. At least 91% of the team is vaccinated according to Beane.  If you equate the vaccine decision to caring about winning it all, what lends you to believe that (seemingly) half the the players don’t care about winning it all? 

Edited November 20, 2021 by YoloinOhio

[nucci]

50 minutes ago, ganesh said:

I am a pro-vaccine too....but you have to allow others to make judgement on a virus that is NOT YET WELL Understood by humans and we have no idea on whom to trust amongst Government, Drug Lobby's and people with financial interests. 

I don't trust any of them. I trust my Dr and the medical people in my family

[Buffalo Barbarian]

So is he playing or not?