Why not bring in Todd Gurley or Kerryon Johnson for the remainder of the season?

[Buffalo03]

He is still a free agent but is still only 27 and I'm referring to a contract for the rest of the season. He should cost very little and is a shell of his former self but we have to do something with this running game. Kerryon Johnson apparently is also still available and is only 24

[MJS]

How are they with 0.22 yards before contact? Are they able to teleport through defenders as soon as they touch the ball? That's what we need.

[Gambit]

You honestly think they can run behind this line?

[appoo]

because they don't add anything to the table the Bills already don't have. 

[Gugny]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

He is still a free agent but is still only 27 and I'm referring to a contract for the rest of the season. He should cost very little and is a shell of his former self but we have to do something with this running game. Kerryon Johnson apparently is also still available and is only 24

 

Singletary is averaging 5 yards per attempt.  Why does he need to be replaced?

[MJS]

1 minute ago, Gugny said:

 

Singletary is averaging 5 yards per attempt.  Why does he need to be replaced?

Exactly. His stats are miraculous given the horrible run blocking.

[BuffaloBillyG]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

He is still a free agent but is still only 27 and I'm referring to a contract for the rest of the season. He should cost very little and is a shell of his former self but we have to do something with this running game. Kerryon Johnson apparently is also still available and is only 24

Kinda answered your own question there. For both of them. 

 

Heck, why not see what Tolbert is up to? 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

Do we want a Gurley man? 🤔

Not so sure if Mr. Johnson can 'carry on'. 🙄

It might make my wry observations easier.  Or do I mean 'rye'? 🥃 🤔

[BuffaloBillyG]

4 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

Singletary is averaging 5 yards per attempt.  Why does he need to be replaced?

This right here is where I'm at as well. Would love to see Motor in a game where he gets RB1 touches...18-20 carries and 3-5 catches. Betting we end up with him over 100 yards.

[Gugny]

1 minute ago, No Place To Hyde said:

This right here is where I'm at as well. Would love to see Motor in a game where he gets RB1 touches...18-20 carries and 3-5 catches. Betting we end up with him over 100 yards.

 

In his first two seasons, he averaged 731 rushing yards/season ... and that's with significantly sharing time.  I will never understand the criticism this guy has gotten since day one - and continues to get.

 

[FilthyBeast]

14 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

He is still a free agent but is still only 27 and I'm referring to a contract for the rest of the season. He should cost very little and is a shell of his former self but we have to do something with this running game. Kerryon Johnson apparently is also still available and is only 24

 

Beane probably doesn't even know who they are if they aren't former Panther players.

[Clyde Smith]

Why not just activate Brieda? Let him actually run and no dumb backwards gadget plays either.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

16 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

He is still a free agent but is still only 27 and I'm referring to a contract for the rest of the season. He should cost very little and is a shell of his former self but we have to do something with this running game. Kerryon Johnson apparently is also still available and is only 24

 

If our backs are getting 0.22 yards before contact, how would changing to Nick Chubb or Jonathan Taylor hep us?

 

 

3 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

Beane probably doesn't even know who they are if they aren't former Panther players.

 

If former top players are going unsigned, it's because they are widely regarded as washed.

[Rc2catch]

3 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

In his first two seasons, he averaged 731 rushing yards/season ... and that's with significantly sharing time.  I will never understand the criticism this guy has gotten since day one - and continues to get.

 

He doesn’t have breakaway speed and can’t take one to the house. 
Until a nice big hole opens up and he takes it to the house like earlier this season. We could certainly do much worse than motor on this team. Najee Harris the most popular rookie runner just ran 22 times for 60 yards the other night. We won’t even run 22 times with two backs and Allen in a game. Now we want Gurley and kerryon who can’t make any roster or practice squad? 

[Solomon Grundy]

23 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

He is still a free agent but is still only 27 and I'm referring to a contract for the rest of the season. He should cost very little and is a shell of his former self but we have to do something with this running game. Kerryon Johnson apparently is also still available and is only 24

No and no

[Logic]

Bring in Jim Brown and Barry Sanders in their prime. It's not gonna matter if this offensive line keeps being this, well....offensive.

[MasterStrategist]

Obviously OL isn't great, and Motor/Moss aren't game-breakers but these guys could be more successful.

 

Plenty of blame to go around, but I put it mostly on Daboll.  His lack of creativity and stubbornness to stick with a gamelan that isn't working is mind blowing.  Gap/wham blocking, power/pulls/traps, more jet sweeps, counters etc.  He sticks with his zone/stretch concepts that aren't executing right now.  

 

On top of that, it hinders our ability to have any semblance of balance or playaction, instead defenses know we are 1-dimemsional and gear up for the pass.  Game is solely on Josh shoulders every single week.  I think he's capable most weeks of getting the job done, but we could be so much more efficient and dynamic.

[buffaloboyinATL]

I am convinced that our running issues are more about the Offensive line than it is who is carrying the ball. I could be wrong...

[The Frankish Reich]

I don't know about you guys, but personally I'd like to see a fullback on the roster. Lord knows we need someone to help with pass protection, and the ability to changeup to a heavy set wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to keep defenses off balance.

Speaking of forcibly retired players ... Hey, where's Patrick DiMarco these days?

 

EDIT: a real fullback, not a jack of all trades TE/FB/Special Teams Guy (Gilliam type)

Edited November 10, 2021 by The Frankish Reich

[Bob in STL]

Certainly the poor performance against theJags is concerning.  Unfortunately, the chances of improving the OL right now is minuscule.  Any player we bring in has to learn the offense, so the player has to slow down and think rather than let it flow.  
 

If Spencer Brown can play Sunday that puts Ford back on the bench.  If not,  then maybe we see Ryan Bates or Jamal Douglas.  They can’t be worse.  Everybody on the line needs to play better and help support whoever is in there.  

 

The window was there to trade for another OG but for whatever reason a deal was not made. I suspect Beane tried to make a move but the right deal was not there.  The trade deadline is now past. We can pull a player from another teams PS but that player has to dress that week and how long will it take a young player to learn the offense?  It is not easy to plug into the OL, it takes weeks to become serviceable. 
 

RB would be easier to backfill and right now we have options with Brieda and Williams.  One of them will replace Moss. They may add a spark.  
 

I think the immediate problem is the OL, especially the OG’s.  A great line can make an average runner look very good, but even a great runner will struggle with a below average line.  

 

 

13 minutes ago, Clyde Smith said:

Why not just activate Brieda? Let him actually run and no dumb backwards gadget plays either.

Yes.  And let’s stop the sideline lateral passes for one yard.   Those plays don’t work.  

[The Frankish Reich]

2 minutes ago, Bob in STL said:

 If not,  then maybe we see Ryan Bates or Jamal Douglas.  They can’t be worse.

Usually whenever someone says this, I am right there to respond "oh, yes they can - that's why the current guys won the job." But in this case I feel like it's the early 2018 line that almost got Allen (and McCarron before him) killed. I don't think it can be worse.

[Brennan Huff]

There’s a reason why these guys are not on anyone’s roster 10 weeks into the season…

[Doc]

Why not the guys other guys already on the roster/PS?

[FlaFitz1]

8 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

I don't know about you guys, but personally I'd like to see a fullback on the roster. Lord knows we need someone to help with pass protection, and the ability to changeup to a heavy set wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to keep defenses off balance.

Speaking of forcibly retired players ... Hey, where's Patrick DiMarco these days?

 

EDIT: a real fullback, not a jack of all trades TE/FB/Special Teams Guy (Gilliam type)

 

Retired from the NFL and working for USC (Gamecocks not Trojans) as an analyst

[Nihilarian]

Can they play OG?

[Bigantall]

Listen stop with replacing RB's conversation we need only to show our line how to block like coach said our guys are too soft need to toughen up

[FlaFitz1]

40 minutes ago, No Place To Hyde said:

This right here is where I'm at as well. Would love to see Motor in a game where he gets RB1 touches...18-20 carries and 3-5 catches. Betting we end up with him over 100 yards.

 

I have been saying for weeks I don't understand the coaches' love affair with Moss!

 

He consistently gets more snaps and carries while underperforming Motor's production.

 

Give Motor consistent carries and snaps - platoon a little - but feature him!!

Edited November 10, 2021 by FlaFitz1

[Buffalo03]

5 minutes ago, Bigantall said:

Listen stop with replacing RB's conversation we need only to show our line how to block like coach said our guys are too soft need to toughen up

I think part of the oline problem is NOT having a running game. We need to be more balanced and keep the defense guessing

[RobbRiddick]

52 minutes ago, MJS said:

Are they able to teleport through defenders as soon as they touch the ball? That's what we need.

 

In that case we should sign this guy. He can really fly

 

[The Frankish Reich]

33 minutes ago, FlaFitz1 said:

 

Retired from the NFL and working for USC (Gamecocks not Trojans) as an analyst

Thanks for the update! And no, I didn't seriously mean DiMarco himself, but maybe a younger DiMarco type ....

[Ramza86]

Are they replacing Cody Ford?

[Starr Almighty]

1 hour ago, Gugny said:

 

In his first two seasons, he averaged 731 rushing yards/season ... and that's with significantly sharing time.  I will never understand the criticism this guy has gotten since day one - and continues to get.

 

The OL is a problem we all agree on this. Do you think that its an issue that he cant get to the outside because he is slow?  Does this not telegraph running plays as only being inside runs because he is unable to get to the corner due to lack of speed? Also is not being able to catch a negative or do we turn the other cheek on this as well?

[Gugny]

1 minute ago, Starr Almighty said:

The OL is a problem we all agree on this. Do you think that its an issue that he cant get to the outside because he is slow?  Does this not telegraph running plays as only being inside runs because he is unable to get to the corner due to lack of speed? Also is not being able to catch a negative or do we turn the other cheek on this as well?

 

He has 21 receptions on 27 targets this season.  If anything, his ball security concerns me.  His speed does not concern me.  He's been productive since he joined the league.  I might be in the minority, but I don't care about breakaway speed.  We don't need home runs.  We need to move the chains.  And having a RB who averages 5 YPA will do that for you .... if you use him properly.

[Mike in Horseheads]

Singletary is overrated by some here.

[FlaFitz1]

58 minutes ago, FlaFitz1 said:

 

I have been saying for weeks I don't understand the coaches' love affair with Moss!

 

He consistently gets more snaps and carries while underperforming Motor's production.

 

Give Motor consistent carries and snaps - platoon a little - but feature him!!

 

After the debacle that was the loss to the Jags - in games they both played in so subtracting the Steelers game.

 

Against Miami Moss had 8 carries and averaged 3.3 ypc - Motor 11 carries and averaged 6.3 ypc

WFT - Moss 13 with a 4.6 ypc average - Motor 11 with a 2.9 ypc avg

Houston - Moss 14 with a 4.4 avg - Motor 14 with a 5.6 avg

KC - Moss 11 for an avg of 3.4 ypc - Motor 6 for an avg of 4.2

Titans - Moss 8 with a 3 ypc avg - Motor 5 totes and a 5.4 avg

In the last Miami contest Moss had 8 carries with a 2.4 avg - Motor had 7 carries witha 4 avg.

Jags - Moss 3 for 6yds a 2.0avg and barely passing GPA - Motor 6 for 16 with a 2.7

 

So thats Moss with 65 carries and an average of 3.6 while Motor has 62 and averages 4.7 ypc

 

On the season among all RBs with at least 50 carries Motor's average of 54.9 is 8th (tied with Elliot) while Moss's average of 3.6 has him tied for 39th!!

 

 

Snap Counts over those 7 games? Moss 18, 44, 46, 42, 42, 47 and 19 for a total of 258 - Motor 43, 34, 32, 19, 35, 25 and 48 for a total of 236

 

 

 

Side notes:

Moss has exactly one carry over 10 yards while Singletary has 5 games with a carry longer than 10 yards and 9 carries of 10 or more yards on the season

Motor has caught 21 of his 27 passing targets - 77.8%

Moss has caught 18 of his 25 targets - 72%

 

So Motor can't catch?

 

 

 

Let the Motor run!!!!

Edited November 10, 2021 by FlaFitz1

[transient]

1 hour ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

Do we want a Gurley man? 🤔

Not so sure if Mr. Johnson can 'carry on'. 🙄

It might make my wry observations easier.  Or do I mean 'rye'? 🥃 🤔

Is Mr. Johnson my wayward son?

 

Regardless, I think the league wide  hint is both should lay their weary heads to rest. 

[Hebert19]

I'd bring in Gurley only because I'm a Dawgs fan. 

 

Worst case he's an excellent receiver and good in short yardage. 

[Gugny]

16 minutes ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

Singletary is overrated by some here.

 

You're so stinkin' cute.  Bless your lil' heart!

 

 

Edited November 10, 2021 by Gugny

[Hebert19]

3 minutes ago, FlaFitz1 said:

 

After the debacle that was the loss to the Jags - in games they both played in so subtracting the Steelers game.

 

Against Miami Moss had 8 carries and averaged 3.3 ypc - Motor 11 carries and averaged 6.3 ypc

WFT - Moss 13 with a 4.6 ypc average - Motor 11 with a 2.9 ypc avg

Houston - Moss 14 with a 4.4 avg - Motor 14 with a 5.6 avg

KC - Moss 11 for an avg of 3.4 ypc - Motor 6 for an avg of 4.2

Titans - Moss 8 with a 3 ypc avg - Motor 5 totes and a 5.4 avg

In the last Miami contest Moss had 8 carries with a 2.4 avg - Motor had 7 carries witha 4 avg.

Jags - Moss 3 for 6yds a 2.0avg and barely passing GPA - Motor 6 for 16 with a 2.7

 

So thats Moss with 65 carries and an average of 3.6 while Motor has 62 and averages 4.7 ypc

 

On the season among all RBs with at least 50 carries Motor's average of 54.9 is 8th (tied with Elliot) while Moss's average of 3.6 has him tied for 39th!!

 

 

Snap Counts over those 7 games? Moss 18, 44, 46, 42, 42, 47 and 19 for a total of 258 - Motor 43, 34, 32, 19, 35, 25 and 48 for a total of 236

 

 

 

Side notes:

Moss has exactly one carry over 10 yards while Singletary has 5 games with a carry longer than 10 yards and 9 carries of 10 or more yards on the season

Motor has caught 21 of his 27 passing targets - 77.8%

Moss has caught 18 of his 25 targets - 72%

 

So Motor can't catch?

 

 

 

Let the Motor run!!!!

I got news for you...they are both bottom 5 starting running backs in the NFL.  I'd literally take any teams RB over ours.  Are they bad.  No.  Are the good.  Hell no. 

[damj]

Why not? He has an arthritic knee.