Josh Allen 2022 season verdict... OC & DC let him down: 64.5% comp %, 51 TDs, 18 TOs, 97.9 Passer Rating, 313 YPG (offseason assessments page 46 on)

[Patrick Duffy]

32 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

He is a tough s.o.b for sure. He takes a lot of hits, more with those QB run plays. 

[FireChans]

On 11/2/2021 at 5:28 PM, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Well... they have the same record, the same number of TDs, the same number of turnovers, but Allen has more yards.

 

On top of that Stafford is throwing to another MVP candidate in Kupp, while Allen is not.  That probably hurts Stafford the slightest bit... unless he loses Kupp for a game or 2 and does what Rodgers just did without Adams.

 

So... Allen 

I hope Stafford wins it and we draw the Rams in the Super Bowl.

 

Guaranteed W.
 

The MVP winner hasn’t won the Super Bowl since 1999. MVP’s are 0-8 in the Super Bowl since then.

 

Love those odds.

[transplantbillsfan]

 

Really interesting and thorough interview with Cossell. He starts talking about the Jags but then moves into a discussion about Josh for a good bit.

 

He emphasizes that not only does he believe that Josh is the most physically gifted QB in the NFL, he actually thinks Josh is becoming the best QB in the NFL.  And he points to last weekend's game against Miami as an example of one of Josh's best games according to the film.

[JoPoy88]

6 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Really interesting and thorough interview with Cossell. He starts talking about the Jags but then moves into a discussion about Josh for a good bit.

 

He emphasizes that not only does he believe that Josh is the most physically gifted QB in the NFL, he actually thinks Josh is becoming the best QB in the NFL.  And he points to last weekend's game against Miami as an example of one of Josh's best games according to the film.

gotta say this thread of yours is looking more prescient by the week. I didn’t necessarily agree at first with you, but it appears Vegas now does and I don’t see why Allen wouldn’t be the frontrunner at this point. Excellent work.

[HappyDays]

2 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Really interesting and thorough interview with Cossell. He starts talking about the Jags but then moves into a discussion about Josh for a good bit.

 

He emphasizes that not only does he believe that Josh is the most physically gifted QB in the NFL, he actually thinks Josh is becoming the best QB in the NFL.  And he points to last weekend's game against Miami as an example of one of Josh's best games according to the film.

 

Good article about Allen's development this season from Cosell here:

 

https://www.the33rdteam.com/josh-allen-may-be-on-his-way/

[Orlando Tim]

On 11/3/2021 at 5:54 PM, FireChans said:

I hope Stafford wins it and we draw the Rams in the Super Bowl.

 

Guaranteed W.
 

The MVP winner hasn’t won the Super Bowl since 1999. MVP’s are 0-8 in the Super Bowl since then.

 

Love those odds.

Josh will break that streak. NFL MVP and SB winning MVP 

[BillsFan130]

On 11/2/2021 at 5:34 PM, Doc said:

 

And 6 out of Stafford's 8 games have been in a dome.

That is actually a really good point.

 

However, I am not so sure the voters take that into consideration.

[HalftimeAdjustment]

Someone lock this thread, it is no longer relevant.

[RiotAct]

welp.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

Just now, HalftimeAdjustment said:

Someone lock this thread, it is no longer relevant.

I was firmly in the josh mvp camp and I agree lol although he did have two atrocious games last year where he was actually getting time to throw 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

1 minute ago, Gene1973 said:

So the Jags game should knock Allen out of the MVP race. 2 INT and a lost fumble, 0TD's.

 

Yep...

 

For sure. It's still a long season though. This year has been so bizarre. I'd say Stafford should be the favorite and i doubt he relinquishes the lead going forward. But the way the season has gone who knows. Seems every QB has had a massively disappointing game so far expect for Stafford maybe.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

So tell us oh wise one. 
 

what this crap means?

 

Absolutely nothing 

 

 

[loyal2dagame]

Josh may be MVP because the team around him,  receivers aside,  is below average

[HappyDays]

So who is the MVP favorite right now? Henry is out for the season. Stafford just singlehandedly lost a game. Murray sat out with an injury and his team still blew out a division rival. Dak played terrible today in a loss. Brady's last game ended on a game sealing pick. I guess going off of recency bias the MVP right now is Lamar Jackson.

Edited November 8, 2021 by HappyDays

[Buffalo Ballin]

Josh Allen has a low chance of winning league MVP now. It's still possible though so I'm not eliminating him yet. This was an embarrassing game for him. And the O-line problems and awful running back crew are here to stay for this season.

[transplantbillsfan]

On 11/7/2021 at 11:22 AM, Gene1973 said:

So the Jags game should knock Allen out of the MVP race. 2 INT and a lost fumble, 0TD's.

 

Yep...

 

On 11/7/2021 at 11:23 AM, HalftimeAdjustment said:

Someone lock this thread, it is no longer relevant.

 

Even after that stinker... you're both wrong

https://theathletic.com/news/buccaneers-tom-brady-bills-josh-allen-nfl-mvp-favorites/ozXD5sfdcmzH/

Buccaneers' Tom Brady, Bills' Josh Allen tied as NFL MVP favorites, via BetMGM

 

The Buccaneers’ Tom Brady and the Bills’ Josh Allen are the betting favorites to win the NFL MVP award after Week 9, according to BetMGM. The quarterbacks are tied atop the betting board at +350. Allen led the odds after Week 8.

 

Cardinals quarterback Kyler Murray sits third (+500) after missing Arizona’s Week 9 win over the 49ers with an injury.

 

This cluster of quarterbacks follows Murray: the Rams’ Matthew Stafford (+750), the Cowboys’ Dak Prescott (+900), the Packers’ Aaron Rodgers (+900), the Ravens’ Lamar Jackson (+1100), the Chargers’ Justin Herbert (+1600).

 

The Bills, despite losing in Week 9 to Jacksonville, remain the betting favorites to win Super Bowl LVI. Their lead has slipped a touch from last week as the Bills stand at +550.

On 11/7/2021 at 12:36 PM, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

So tell us oh wise one. 
 

what this crap means?

 

Absolutely nothing 

 

 

 

You seem so angry all the time now.  You gettin enough love at home?  

 

You can always choose to say nothing, but you just love pointing angry fingers. 

 

I'm sorry things suck for you so much that you have to do that.  Hope your life gets better.

[GoBills808]

5 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

 

Even after that stinker... you're both wrong

https://theathletic.com/news/buccaneers-tom-brady-bills-josh-allen-nfl-mvp-favorites/ozXD5sfdcmzH/

Buccaneers' Tom Brady, Bills' Josh Allen tied as NFL MVP favorites, via BetMGM

 

The Buccaneers’ Tom Brady and the Bills’ Josh Allen are the betting favorites to win the NFL MVP award after Week 9, according to BetMGM. The quarterbacks are tied atop the betting board at +350. Allen led the odds after Week 8.

 

Cardinals quarterback Kyler Murray sits third (+500) after missing Arizona’s Week 9 win over the 49ers with an injury.

 

This cluster of quarterbacks follows Murray: the Rams’ Matthew Stafford (+750), the Cowboys’ Dak Prescott (+900), the Packers’ Aaron Rodgers (+900), the Ravens’ Lamar Jackson (+1100), the Chargers’ Justin Herbert (+1600).

 

The Bills, despite losing in Week 9 to Jacksonville, remain the betting favorites to win Super Bowl LVI. Their lead has slipped a touch from last week as the Bills stand at +550.

I’ve seen Brady a slight favorite most places. Allen firmly in the conversation. People don’t seem to realize it’s a season-long award, not a week 8 award.

 

Although for my money the best value is Lamar Jackson 

[MJS]

On 11/7/2021 at 11:53 PM, HappyDays said:

So who is the MVP favorite right now? Henry is out for the season. Stafford just singlehandedly lost a game. Murray sat out with an injury and his team still blew out a division rival. Dak played terrible today in a loss. Brady's last game ended on a game sealing pick. I guess going off of recency bias the MVP right now is Lamar Jackson.

Still Brady. Maybe Jackson 2nd?

On 11/8/2021 at 12:14 AM, Gene1973 said:

It won't be Allen so I agree with locking the thread. 

I'm pretty sure you would lock any thread unless it is about how terrible the team is.

[transplantbillsfan]

On 11/9/2021 at 1:35 PM, GoBills808 said:

I’ve seen Brady a slight favorite most places. Allen firmly in the conversation. People don’t seem to realize it’s a season-long award, not a week 8 award.

 

Although for my money the best value is Lamar Jackson 

 

Tonight is NOT the only reason for this opinion as I think even before tonight Jackson has been overrated for this season...

 

That said, I disagree 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

take a stance and quit 
 

 

[transplantbillsfan]

1 hour ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

take a stance and quit 
 

 

 

Bruh... it's time you go find some lovin you seem to be lacking. 

 

I don't understand why you're stalking me, but as flattered as I am, I'm taken.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Dude, Every year you chase JA stats relentlessly. 

 

of late you say (said) that Lamar is a better MVP candidate than JA.
Over 90% of the board would say - that is ridiculous.

Tua looked better than Lamar last night with a broken finger. 

 

Stalking?
Unlike you I participate in threads across the forum.  If it remains active it’s open to everyone.  
 

funny thing is. You seem to ignore threads by certain posters. 

why is that?

 

Edited November 12, 2021 by SlimShady'sSpaceForce

[BBills88]

Josh Allen Superbowl MVP is better

[transplantbillsfan]

2 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

Dude, Every year you chase JA stats relentlessly. 

 

of late you say (said) that Lamar is a better MVP candidate than JA.
Over 90% of the board would say - that is ridiculous.

Tua looked better than Lamar last night with a broken finger. 

 

Stalking?
Unlike you I participate in threads across the forum.  If it remains active it’s open to everyone.  
 

funny thing is. You seem to ignore threads by certain posters. 

why is that?

 

 

I never said Lamar is a better MVP candidate than Allen. 

 

You have a reading comprehension problem. 

 

Because of that along with your love disguised as hatred for me, feel free to use the ignore button. I mean if your going to jump in and comment on everything I say... at least have the decency to actually know what I say.

[transplantbillsfan]

 

[Cruiserplayer]

I call bull####. JA17 forced 13 missed tackles in the Jags game alone.

Edited November 13, 2021 by Cruiserplayer

[transplantbillsfan]

Great game as a whole, but one statistic they showed during the game kinda reaffirms Josh's status as a (and I think it's THE now) frontrunner in the MVP race:

 

Josh accounts for a higher percentage of offense than ANY player in the NFL. Not shocking, but pretty telling.

 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

I think if the Bills end up with the #1 season Allen probably has a 75% chance of winning MVP. Otherwise he'll have to put up crazy numbers in the second half of the season. 

 

Right now it feels like the MVP is still very much up for grabs for about 8-10 players all depending on how the second half of the season goes. 

[YoloinOhio]

Who is the leader now? 

[Big Blitz]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Who is the leader now? 

 

 

Allen passed Brady today.  Both now have a turd loss.  If that means anything.  

 

 

Allen

Brady

 

 

Everyone else.  

[ganesh]

On 11/10/2021 at 6:39 AM, Gene1973 said:

Vegas must still like the Bills' easy schedule.

The guys on TV said that the Bills upcoming schedule is brutal...  Colts,  Saints, Bucaneers and Patriots.    I can see us swinging 2-2 on those 4 games.  Hopefully. the 2 wins will be against the Colts and Patriots...The Bills cannot afford another conference loss (they already have 3)

[MJS]

7 minutes ago, ganesh said:

The guys on TV said that the Bills upcoming schedule is brutal...  Colts,  Saints, Bucaneers and Patriots.    I can see us swinging 2-2 on those 4 games.  Hopefully. the 2 wins will be against the Colts and Patriots...The Bills cannot afford another conference loss (they already have 3)

What scares you about the Saints?

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Trevon Diggs now has 8 INT in 9 games. That is insane and worthy of being in MVP discussion. He won't win it but even if his season ended today he probably still wins DPOY.

4 minutes ago, MJS said:

What scares you about the Saints?

Its on the road but nothing else

[LABILLBACKER]

No more stinkers. Josh just needs to stay the course.  Believe in all his players,  including guys like Breida, Davis and McKenzie who have seen limited snaps. Keep that Defense flying around. JA17 should be right there in the mvp race.

[dollars 2 donuts]

Needs at least 5 td passes every 2 games…20 in the next 8.

 

TD passes.  If he scores on the ground, great.  But he definitely needs more than 40 through the air.  
 

14-3 would help.

[transplantbillsfan]

 

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Trevon Diggs now has 8 INT in 9 games. That is insane and worthy of being in MVP discussion. He won't win it but even if his season ended today he probably still wins DPOY.

Its on the road but nothing else

Diggs has the INTs, but when he’s not intercepting the ball he’s often getting torched.  He won’t win MVP 

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Diggs has the INTs, but when he’s not intercepting the ball he’s often getting torched.  He won’t win MVP 

 

I think "often" is a bit OTT but you are right in that he reminds me of Marcus Peters. He is a gambler at the corner spot. He will always gets picks but he is gonna give up some plays at the same time. He is a playmaker though and the emergence of him and Parsons plus the major upgrade at coordinator has been big for Dallas.

[Chandler#81]

24 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think "often" is a bit OTT but you are right in that he reminds me of Marcus Peters. He is a gambler at the corner spot. He will always gets picks but he is gonna give up some plays at the same time. He is a playmaker though and the emergence of him and Parsons plus the major upgrade at coordinator has been big for Dallas.

I don’t know what OTT stands for, but ‘Lil Diggs’ gets torched every game. Know why Tre’davious White had only his 1st INT today? Cuz opposing QB’s DON’T throw his way.

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

I don’t know what OTT stands for, but ‘Lil Diggs’ gets torched every game. Know why Tre’davious White had only his 1st INT today? Cuz opposing QB’s DON’T throw his way.

 

OTT - Over the top. I think he has given up some plays. But QBs are still only completing 54% of balls thrown his way. He isn't in White's class. Like I say, Marcus Peters is the guy he reminds me of.