Generic_Bills_Fan Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 5 minutes ago, Gene1973 said: For me? I don't have skin in the game. Also didn't hear about Murray's injury. I don't think any QB who misses time has a chance, unless all the one's at the top miss some time, which is unlikely. I think wins, passing TD's and TD:INT all rank pretty high to those voting for what is essentially the best QB stats award. Henry has no chance. I think it’s more how important the player is to that team…if josh keeps hurdling guys to pick up huge first downs and making ridiculous highlight plays it doesn’t matter as much if someone like Stafford or Brady has 4 or 5 more tds than him. To me he deserved to be 2nd last year and I’m sure he was 4th or 5th in total TDs but I’ll have to check. I think Murray was probably ahead of him before this week. Oh yea I def wouldn’t argue it’s a qb only award these days but it’s not really a ‘stats’ award. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 8 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said: I think it’s more how important the player is to that team…if josh keeps hurdling guys to pick up huge first downs and making ridiculous highlight plays it doesn’t matter as much if someone like Stafford or Brady has 4 or 5 more tds than him. To me he deserved to be 2nd last year and I’m sure he was 4th or 5th in total TDs but I’ll have to check. I think Murray was probably ahead of him before this week. Oh yea I def wouldn’t argue it’s a qb only award these days but it’s not really a ‘stats’ award. Honestly, it does usually come down to wins and stats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 20 minutes ago, Gene1973 said: I think the romantic notion of the award is what you describe, not sure about the reality. IIRC Allen had 43 total TD's last season with 37 passing, Rodgers had 45 passing TD's I think. And I believe Rodgers' TD:INT was much better. Oh yea rodgers deserved it for more than just stats alone… looks like Allen might have been second in total tds hm I thought there were a few more people in between. Even so I feel like there’s gotta be some reason Vegas likes him more than some other guys with ‘better’ stats right now for mvp. Not that they are the ones to decid. Maybe they are just projecting who will have the best stats at the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 5 hours ago, Gene1973 said: It's not MY list... It was posted earlier in the thread. They have one of the best uniforms. Unless they go back to the red helmets. I still think for a QB, passing TD's are weighted higher. Not a bills fan I take it 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, Gene1973 said: It's not supposed to be, but that's usually what it is. Kind of a shame if that’s what it gets reduced to because josh has really always been a ‘stats don’t tell the whole story’ kind of guy. Brady isn’t evading quick pressure when 3 linemen whiff on blocks and throwing an absolute strike on the run but it counts the same as a well protected pass on the stat sheet lol Edited November 1, 2021 by Generic_Bills_Fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cotton Fitzsimmons Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 9 hours ago, Gene1973 said: He's not doing what he did last year, also there are more QB's doing more than him this year as opposed to last. He will need to go crazy as the season closes to win it. The Bills O-line probably isn't up to the task for this to happen. Let me tell you something MEAN GENE… Josh is on pace for over 5400 total yards and 48 total TDs. That’s pretty much spot on to what he did last year, even adjusting for the extra game. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 He is definitely in MVP conversation right now, that's not even a debate. I am just not sure if we actually want him to win it lol. I'd just feel more comfortable with SB run if they gave it to Brady. Josh can brake SB/MVP curse later in his career, let's play it safe this year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 4 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Not a bills fan I take it He's been a subtle hater for a while now. Glad he is finally being exposed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 3 hours ago, Gene1973 said: The dreaded "on pace" argument... Allen has a shot, but not if he has more games like yesterday against far inferior competition. However, yesterday was more his O-lines' fault than anything. What other method are you supposed to use when the 2021 season isn't even completed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Ballin Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 Josh Allen is in the MVP talk. However, we have ways to go. Wait until the regular season is over. If Josh rushed in 5 touchdowns all of a sudden within the next 3 games, look out. Tom Brady, Matthew Stafford, Derrick Henry all have compelling arguments thus far. WR Cooper Kupp is having a helluva season right now, but he's not winning the MVP award so I'll cross him out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. K Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 Another thing that should come into consideration for Allen's MVP case would be him accounting for 300ish of the 350ish yards gained on offense yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted November 1, 2021 Author Share Posted November 1, 2021 (edited) Over the last few days we've had 2 of the biggest MVP candidates talked about in this thread essentially exit the conversation. Kyler Murray has an ankle injury that's going to keep him out 1-3 weeks. Still possible for him, but I don't even think he would be a favorite over Allen pre-injury. Henry--unfortunately for all real football fans--is done for weeks and potentially the season. Such a shame. Edited November 1, 2021 by transplantbillsfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 Right now: 1) Brady 2) LJ 3) Kyler 4) Derrick Henry 5) Matt Stafford 6) Josh Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 1 minute ago, appoo said: Right now: 1) Brady 2) LJ 3) Kyler 4) Derrick Henry 5) Matt Stafford 6) Josh Allen Take Henry out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 https://www.sportsbettingdime.com/news/nfl/josh-allen-remains-2021-mvp-favorite-brady-stafford-remain-close/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Take Henry out. I know, more of a reflection of what he accomplished. Just sad. Btw - there's a part of me that wants to stick Milano on this list. Haven't paid enough to defensive stuff across the league, but he should be on the Defensive MVP list, though I think that's just gonna be Diggs because of the splash plays. Milano has been phenomenal - and wouldn't surprise me if sometime next year his agent pokes around a better contract thats reflective of him being one of the very best defensive players in the league Edited November 1, 2021 by appoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 @Gene1973 lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 Buffalo finishes with the top record in the AFC. Allen passes over 4500 yards and 40 Tds good luck topping that. Rodgers wont get 2 years in a row. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 8 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: @Gene1973 lol shocker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 Stats are useless someone mentioned that Tua had better stats than Josh did Who was better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, Gene1973 said: Because of injury. And yet I was crazy to have Murray ahead of Allen before I knew he was injured... LOL right the fact that he threw 2ints in a loss vs the Packers has nothing to do with it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 Think Josh will have to have big games against the Bucs and Pats on MNF to be able to win this race - the schedule is just bad, and I think voters are going to count that against him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 18 minutes ago, Gene1973 said: Because of injury. And yet I was crazy to have Murray ahead of Allen before I knew he was injured... LOL Then explain to me how Allen jumps up 3 spots after Murray gets injured? You said he wasn't in the top 3 lol and now he's #1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, Gene1973 said: Not sure how he's ahead of Brady and Stafford. Brady has 678 more yards and 9 more passing TD's than Allen, and yes more picks. Stafford's numbers are way better as well. I'm not a gambler so no idea how vegas figures such things. So you're wrong then. You said he's not in the top 3 and he's currently #1....so you're wrong. It doesn't matter if you don't like the current odds....you're still wrong. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 6 minutes ago, Gene1973 said: I can have an opinion different than Vegas, my goodness you're upset... Yes you certainly can. But opinions based on bad comprehension get criticized....just fyi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: Stats are useless someone mentioned that Tua had better stats than Josh did Who was better? Explain how Tua had better stats than Josh. Edited November 1, 2021 by Scott7975 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 Just now, Gene1973 said: And what are you going to do about it exactly, B word on internet forums? Like I said, not a gambler, but I think the way it works is sports books want some ppl to disagree and bet against the odds. I can't be the only one disagreeing with Vegas... Chill out man, think about your blood pressure. This is your response when I say your opinion is based on bad comprehension? "What are you doing to do about it?" Don't talk about my blood pressure, my blood pressure is the Josh Allen of blood pressures....it's excellent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: Explain how Tua had better stats than Josh. He threw more picks than Allen 🤣 1 > 0 The only metric that he had better "Stats" in is ESPN QBR which has proven time and time again that it's worthless. Edited November 1, 2021 by The Wiz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, The Wiz said: He threw more picks than Allen 🤣 1 > 0 The only metric that he had better "Stats" in is ESPN QBR which has proven time and time again that it's worthless. Well, his "yards per completion" were better. It's an underrated stat... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, Gene1973 said: IMO the award is stats based, when Allen has the most yards and TD passes + at least tied for most wins, I'll consider him #1 in the MVP race. We all know you won't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said: We all know you won't. Yeah but we'll find out what new arbitrary thing is preventing him from getting it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Yeah but we'll find out what new arbitrary thing is preventing him from getting it. Week 1 Steelers game ruined it for Allen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RalphWilson'sNewWar Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 JA17 gonna have some prime matchups to bring his stats up to the leaders…plenty of time… but as of today… Matthew Stafford is really head and shoulders in front of the others. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dukestreetking Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 Diggs telling JA he's not in MVP consideration: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichRiderBills Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 You guys seem to be really underrating Allen's running ability as a factor for MVP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichRiderBills Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 40 minutes ago, Gene1973 said: Probably because he plays QB and not RB. That's silly. It is an added dimension to his game that makes him a bigger threat. More valuable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 Defense had turnerovers, constant pressure and gave up 11 points! But somehow they are a negative for this team??🙄 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, JerseyBills said: Defense had turnerovers, constant pressure and gave up 11 points! But somehow they are a negative for this team??🙄 Haha yea I’m not sure how much more they could’ve done that game…it is frustrating though when you know tua is gonna throw a slant or a quick out with little to no velocity on every 3rd down and they still pick it up lol so a lot of it is just fans being frustrated Edited November 1, 2021 by Generic_Bills_Fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Gene1973 said: Not sure how he's ahead of Brady and Stafford. Brady has 678 more yards and 9 more passing TD's than Allen, and yes more picks. Stafford's numbers are way better as well. I'm not a gambler so no idea how vegas figures such things. I’m back to say maybe (hopefully) it’s not a stats only award after the recent news 😂 I don’t want to say stafford is boring to watch but they very methodically move the ball down the field in a way where you feel like the backup qb could come in and still be successful (cough Jared Goff went to the super bowl running this offense cough) so yea there’s definitely times where the guy that’s number 1 in stats is definitely the most valuable but it doesn’t always have to be the case. When you watch a bills game it’s just the josh Allen show all game as of late. I don’t think any other qb could do what he does for this team. It’s crazy hes literally inches short from being wayyyy ahead of anyone else. If he hurdled an extra couple inches and we ended up beating the titans no one else is even close to him imo. It really is a game of inches lol Edited November 1, 2021 by Generic_Bills_Fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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