Josh Allen 2022 season verdict... OC & DC let him down: 64.5% comp %, 51 TDs, 18 TOs, 97.9 Passer Rating, 313 YPG (offseason assessments page 46 on)

[MJS]

2 hours ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I think pundits give him a lot more benefit of the doubt for our offensive line being Swiss cheese than bills fans do it seems 😂 I don’t think any other qb in the league could do what he’s doing on this team right now…so many highlight plays even in those two awful games we had and we are just desensitized to it at this point lol

Oh, I think Josh Allen is amazing. Don't get me wrong. But he has thrown a lot of INT's over the last few games. Seven in the last four games. Any hope of an MVP award will require him to drastically decrease his rate of turnovers for the rest of the season.

Edited November 26, 2021 by MJS

[78thealltimegreat]

  Josh holds the ball a second too long cause the philosophy of this offense is touchdown/check down this wouldnt happen if he where in an offense that requires a quicker release such as a pure west coast system

  He can do that but we don’t run a ton of slants or screens and it would take away one of the things that makes Josh unique the ability to extend a broken play 

[EmotionallyUnstable]

8 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

2 more INT’s and with 1 ending his No INT in the RZ accomplishment 

 

Not great 

Didnt realize it. 
 

probably because the broadcast didn’t post it for the 100th time. 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

Josh his having a fine season, yes he has weird thing with INTs lately, but his numbers are still near elite. 

[transplantbillsfan]

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Mr Thanksgiving?

 

😳

 2 games and he’s king of the world. 
 

just like the thread itself 

A little overreaction no? 

 

(the answer is yes)

 

 

[Matt_In_NH]

Lets go for Mr Monday Night

[ganesh]

On 11/26/2021 at 8:58 PM, Doc said:

Give him Brady's OL...

That will not be penalized for Holding 🙂

[transplantbillsfan]

13 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

Mr Thanksgiving?

 

😳

 2 games and he’s king of the world. 
 

just like the thread itself 

A little overreaction no? 

 

(the answer is yes)

 

 

 

I'd ask why haven't started ignoring me yet, but

[transplantbillsfan]

 

[Royale with Cheese]

Hansel's tweet is absolutely the truth.  I have a feeling this will follow Allen through out his career.  Seems like many people will not get off his pre-draft scouting report....his "not so good games/poor games" will be magnified more than anyone else.

[Mat68]

Allen is the force behind a top 10 offense.  He is the offense.  You get the benefit of the doubt when its all you.  I will say this, Buffalo beats Ne on Monday and Tampa the following Sunday its wrap he's the MVP.  

Edited November 29, 2021 by Mat68

[Doc]

23 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Hansel's tweet is absolutely the truth.  I have a feeling this will follow Allen through out his career.  Seems like many people will not get off his pre-draft scouting report....his "not so good games/poor games" will be magnified more than anyone else.

 

I think they have no choice but to shut up now unless/until he has a really bad season.

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, Mat68 said:

Allen is the force behind a top 10 offense.  He is the offense.  You get the benefit of the doubt when its all you.  I will say this, Buffalo beats Ne on Monday and Tampa the following Sunday its wrap he's the MVP.  

 

 

They don't award it after the Bucs game..

[transplantbillsfan]

 

[Chicken Boo]

On 11/29/2021 at 6:54 PM, Mat68 said:

Allen is the force behind a top 10 offense.  He is the offense.  You get the benefit of the doubt when its all you.  I will say this, Buffalo beats Ne on Monday and Tampa the following Sunday its wrap he's the MVP.  

 

Not without the Packers putting up some stinkers.

 

Right now, it's Rodgers to lose.

[NoHuddleKelly12]

32 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

Not without the Packers putting up some stinkers.

 

Right now, it's Rodgers to lose.

Not to make this political by any means, but imho the Shield will never let Aaron get another MVP after his Covid cutesy dissembling fiasco…of course I could be wrong, but he ticked off a few sportswriters who have votes—enough to make a difference? IDK. 
https://www.nbcsports.com/video/green-bay-packers-aaron-rodgers-has-zero-excuse-covid-vaccine-lies

[Magox]

5 hours ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Not to make this political by any means, but imho the Shield will never let Aaron get another MVP after his Covid cutesy dissembling fiasco…of course I could be wrong, but he ticked off a few sportswriters who have votes—enough to make a difference? IDK. 
https://www.nbcsports.com/video/green-bay-packers-aaron-rodgers-has-zero-excuse-covid-vaccine-lies

 

IMO,

 

Without doubt.  

[GunnerBill]

8 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

 

Not responding on the Josh point - on the Mac point, people throw this out like a criticism but that is literally the NE offense. The whole reason they drafted him was his proficiency running this time of short passing offense. Take out a couple of years in the late 00s when they had Randy Moss and so stretched the field more their offense has always been a short, quick passing scheme. Jones is a system QB. It's why New England drafted him. To run a system. 

[transplantbillsfan]

 

[Matt_In_NH]

If we want Josh to win MVP he needs to knock out the Patriots.  Otherwise it isn't happening.

[TBBills]

On 12/1/2021 at 7:20 AM, GunnerBill said:

 

Not responding on the Josh point - on the Mac point, people throw this out like a criticism but that is literally the NE offense. The whole reason they drafted him was his proficiency running this time of short passing offense. Take out a couple of years in the late 00s when they had Randy Moss and so stretched the field more their offense has always been a short, quick passing scheme. Jones is a system QB. It's why New England drafted him. To run a system. 

They go against a defense that tackles well and they wont win. Hopefully that is the Bills on Monday, they have the defense that can step up.

Edited December 5, 2021 by TBBills

[ganesh]

On 11/30/2021 at 5:24 AM, Mat68 said:

Allen is the force behind a top 10 offense.  He is the offense.  You get the benefit of the doubt when its all you.  I will say this, Buffalo beats Ne on Monday and Tampa the following Sunday its wrap he's the MVP.  

He truly will be an MVP if he can win both those games. Go JA17!

[SCBills]

17 minutes ago, mattynh said:

If we want Josh to win MVP he needs to knock out the Patriots.  Otherwise it isn't happening.

Win tomorrow, with Josh having a good night, and he’s the MVP front runner on every sports show come Tuesday.
 

 

Edited December 5, 2021 by SCBills

[Matt_In_NH]

49 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Win tomorrow, with Josh having a good night, and he’s the MVP front runner on every sports show come Tuesday.
 

 

I tend to agree but try to do too much fumbles and or and ints in a losing effort then he is out

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

13 minutes ago, mattynh said:

I tend to agree but try to do too much fumbles and or and ints in a losing effort then he is out

Not necessarily with Tampa next week and a rematch in New England two weeks after that. My gut feeling has long been the road teams getting victories in the Bills/Patriot series this year.

 

Going 2-1 in those three games could still be enough to obtain the #1 seed in the AFC if the Bills end up finishing 12-5. 

 

Mahomes is coming around in the AFC but Allen holds the trump card over Mahomes with the head to head and so far still better passer efficiency on the season. The only legitimate candidates in the NFC are shaping up to be Rodgers and Brady.  Both maybe at this point more worthy then Mahomes or Allen but still a lot to be decided.

 

On 12/3/2021 at 2:57 PM, transplantbillsfan said:

 

 

 

Pretty cool because I never would have guessed he leads the league in 30+ yard completions. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

3 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

Pretty cool because I never would have guessed he leads the league in 30+ yard completions. 

seriously?

 

That  deep ball  tweet gets posted every time people say JA is inaccurate with long passes 

 

hell, the op prly had a thread about it 
 

 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

2 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

seriously?

 

That  deep ball  tweet gets posted every time people say JA is inaccurate with long passes 

 

hell, the op prly had a thread about it 
 

 

 

Yes. Seriously. Nothing to do with accuracy anyway. I just honestly don't recall a lot of 30 yard attempts or completions this year. So I am surprised he is number one still this year. Wondering how many 30+ yard completions he had last year through 11 games?

[transplantbillsfan]

14 hours ago, mattynh said:

If we want Josh to win MVP he needs to knock out the Patriots.  Otherwise it isn't happening.

 

Once or twice?

[transplantbillsfan]

13 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

seriously?

 

That  deep ball  tweet gets posted every time people say JA is inaccurate with long passes 

 

hell, the op prly had a thread about it 
 

 

You really are kind of a pathetic troll.

 

You know that, right?

 

And with all the posts you've made directly to that thread that you already know I made as you feign ignorance, you already know that what you're doing is trolling.

 

Stop being a deutchebag. And you know that's what you're being. 

 

And mods... I also want you to know that I tried PMing this slimeball in order to avoid this little public spat, but for some reason his account is not accepting PMs.

Edited December 6, 2021 by transplantbillsfan

[transplantbillsfan]

13 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

Yes. Seriously. Nothing to do with accuracy anyway. I just honestly don't recall a lot of 30 yard attempts or completions this year. So I am surprised he is number one still this year. Wondering how many 30+ yard completions he had last year through 11 games?

 

The reason is because Allen’s 30+ yard passes aren't as difficult as most other QBs 30+ yard passes.

 

A 15 yard out route for Teddy Bridgewater is like a 30 yard out route for Allen.

[Big Blitz]

Updated going in to tomorrow:

 

Allen

Brady

Stafford 

Taylor 

*Aaron Rodgers has entered the chat*

 

 

 

[Aussie Joe]

The Bills are more chance of winning the SB than JA winning MVP.. 

 

I think thats a good thing...

 

[GoBills808]

56 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

The Bills are more chance of winning the SB than JA winning MVP.. 

 

I think thats a good thing...

 

Bills are +850 to win the Super Bowl

 

Allen is +450 to win MVP

[Aussie Joe]

21 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Bills are +850 to win the Super Bowl

 

Allen is +450 to win MVP

 

Yeah..that might be the case ( right now) but I personally think the Bills have a better shot... 

 

Brady will get the ball washing of the decade and win the MVP

Edited December 6, 2021 by Aussie Joe

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

15 hours ago, mattynh said:

I tend to agree but try to do too much fumbles and or and ints in a losing effort then he is out

I get what people are saying with this and somewhat agree but honestly if he didn’t try to ‘do too much’ against Jacksonville I don’t think we even crack 50 yards of offense that game lol we only focus on the negative outcome ‘he’s doing too much’ plays here but there are tons of positive ones also 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

16 hours ago, TBBills said:

They go against a defense that tackles well and they wont win. Hopefully that is the Bills on Monday, they have the defense that can step up.

Or a defense that heats up in the red zone…or an offense that can score quick and force them into a shootout. Both of which are likely to happen. I just really don’t see the pats winning this game I think this is all media hype machine gassin up the patriots. They’re a good team not a great one and even in ideal circumstances are not remotely close to as effective on offense as that healthy titans team we had the displeasure of facing lol I think they’ve only had aj brown/Julio jones/Derrick Henry on the field together for like two games this year and one of those was against us. Whole different dynamic when you’ve got two receivers that can beat you all over the field and a hall of fame running back than what the pats are doing 

[CEN-CAL17]

I think the Bills have yovv NNC win out in order for Josh to have a chance at MVP.

[EmotionallyUnstable]

6 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

Updated going in to tomorrow:

 

Allen

Brady

Stafford 

Taylor 

*Aaron Rodgers has entered the chat*

 

 

 

Despite his bozo pick 6 yesterday, he really put up some solid numbers. 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

31 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

Tonight's game will make or break Allens' MVP odds. A clunker here will probably mean the last time Allen is mentioned in the MVP race.

 

Define clunker though. Because I don't expect the numbers to exactly look good tonight. 23+ mph winds and a very good defense. This game is less about Allen's numbers and more about getting a W. In fact that is the main thing here in terms of MVP. Would be better for Allen to have a bad game and win then to have a great game and lose if we are talking about his MVP odds.