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BuffaninSarasota Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 12 minutes ago, Ralonzo said: In other words, the roughing the passer call on Ed Oliver on a 4th down stop? Situationally the stripes literally took the ball away from the Bills and gave it back to the Chiefs. On the Clark call, they left the Bills 70+ yards away from the end zone. Go get a stop. If you’re not playing well enough to beat the opponent and the refs, then you’re not playing well enough. Oliver got flagged for hitting Mahomes late and at the knees; that's a penalty every time the way QBs are protected by the NFL Not sure about your situational examples; the Clark call negated a JA interception 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Meatloaf63 Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 1 hour ago, BuffaninSarasota said: let's be honest - that roughing the passer call on Frank Clark was straight garbage. If that was called on the Bills we'd be howling. Yes the refs missed a few holding calls on KC but we all know NFL officiating is massively inconsistent. Let’s be honest, you really don’t understand the rule👍 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 1 hour ago, BuffaninSarasota said: let's be honest - that roughing the passer call on Frank Clark was straight garbage. If that was called on the Bills we'd be howling. The defender picked up the QB, drove him into the ground AND fell with his full weight on top of the QB (which was purposeful and avoidable). It was textbook roughing the passer on TWO counts. It was so clear cut perhaps the NFL may use the clip for education purposes on what consitutes roughing the passer. Take the exact same play and put Mahomes or Brady as QB and imagine what the call would be. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 Baldy’s Breakdowns are absolutely awesome this morning 2 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 It is nice to have my two biggest complaints be the refs- who were horrendous all around- and Collinsworth- who is unaware that Buffalo is playing much better than KC. The Bills did what they could last and it was beautiful. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaninSarasota Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 1 minute ago, Meatloaf63 said: Let’s be honest, you really don’t understand the rule👍 by all means, please explain it.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatloaf63 Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, BuffaninSarasota said: Oliver got flagged for hitting Mahomes late and at the knees; that's a penalty every time the way QBs are protected by the NFL Not sure about your situational examples; the Clark call negated a JA interception Nope Watt did the exact same tackle for the Cardinals against the 49’rs with no call. 1 minute ago, BuffaninSarasota said: by all means, please explain it.... You can’t drive the qb into the ground and land with your weight on him. Pretty simple, look it up. Called every time…. Edited October 11, 2021 by Meatloaf63 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaninSarasota Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 3 minutes ago, Meatloaf63 said: Let’s be honest, you really don’t understand the rule👍 by all means, please explain it.... 2 minutes ago, stevewin said: The defender picked up the QB, drove him into the ground AND fell with his full weight on top of the QB (which was purposeful and avoidable). It was textbook roughing the passer on TWO counts. It was so clear cut perhaps the NFL may use the clip for education purposes on what consitutes roughing the passer. Take the exact same play and put Mahomes or Brady as QB and imagine what the call would be. no point in trying to argue subjective points of view Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Meatloaf63 Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, BuffaninSarasota said: by all means, please explain it.... no point in trying to argue subjective points of view Not subjective when you can see the player land with full weight on the qb, you are just wrong defending an incorrect position. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Williams Available Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 I’m thinking about it and can’t believe how just adding a couple young pieces to the DL has transformed this D from bottom half to elite. Star being back too—but man—talk about knowing what you need and getting it. Kudos to Beane and McD. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 6 minutes ago, BuffaninSarasota said: by all means, please explain it.... no point in trying to argue subjective points of view He lifted him up, and drove him into the ground. Objectively, it is a textbook call according to the rule. You seem to disagree with the rule, which is fine, but the call was correct. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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YoloinOhio Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 This is the Monday morning content I’m here to provide 13 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 Huge win and great TEAM game by the Bills. Everyone showed up to play. The coaches nailed the gameplan. Could not have asked for a better performance. We beat the Chiefs, the Refs, the NFL, Chris Collinsworth, and anyone else that wanted to step to us. Would the Chiefs have scored even 10 points if the refs didnt keep bailing them out on 3rd down? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 How’s the Crow taste? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 And to think we did that without Milano. 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaninSarasota Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 5 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: He lifted him up, and drove him into the ground. Objectively, it is a textbook call according to the rule. You seem to disagree with the rule, which is fine, but the call was correct. Just watched the play again on YouTube; he DID NOT lift Allen up. The penalty may have been called for driving Allen into the ground. I don't disagree with the rule. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 28 minutes ago, Ralonzo said: In other words, the roughing the passer call on Ed Oliver on a 4th down stop? Situationally the stripes literally took the ball away from the Bills and gave it back to the Chiefs. On the Clark call, they left the Bills 70+ yards away from the end zone. Go get a stop. If you’re not playing well enough to beat the opponent and the refs, then you’re not playing well enough. And that is the point with the Refs and their play calls. It’s the situational reference. How many times did a ticky tack call give the Chiefs a new set of down? How many non calls ended a Bills drive? 3rd and 2, pass to Diggs. Even Collinsworth says it.. yeah Diggs was held there, but he’s gotta make that catch. That is the different standard. This is the difference between this team and the Fitzmagic teams of lore. We finally have a team ...and a QB especially.. that can overcome the Refs biased calls. We finally have a team that refuses to let it get them better of them, and in fact, looks like it just pisses them off more! That 4th quarter drive!! The chiefs are doing the Chief things... they picked the pace up. Made the plays. The Refs practically gift them a score. What does Buffalo do... when they needed it most, Josh put the team on his back. Hurdles defenders, makes the plays and fires an absolute bullet for the TD to seal the Chiefs fate! It was a thing of beauty that drive. Not just because of the plays that were made, but because of the situational context within that moment. They needed that drive..and they refused to let the league take it from them! Go Bills! 4 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 3 minutes ago, Dan said: That 4th quarter drive!! The chiefs are doing the Chief things... they picked the pace up. Made the plays. The Refs practically gift them a score. What does Buffalo do... when they needed it most, Josh put the team on his back. Hurdles defenders, makes the plays and fires an absolute bullet for the TD to seal the Chiefs fate! It was a thing of beauty that drive. Not just because of the plays that were made, but because of the situational context within that moment. They needed that drive..and they refused to let the league take it from them! Go Bills! Along with a couple of drives in the Colts playoff game, this was one of Allen's best drives. It drove the stake deep into the hearts of the Chiefs. A long drive, at that stage of the game, with wet conditions, doing the mix of running and passing - it was absolutely brilliant and the stuff that makes for QB legends. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 1 hour ago, BuffaninSarasota said: already acknowledged holding calls were missed - not sure what you're getting at. The roughing the passer on Oliver was just a weak as the Clark driving Allen to the ground roughing, as Oliver was blocked low into the QB, and the play was just as impactful, along with the holdings you mentioned. Don't forget about the Trey Day PI when both players were hand fighting and the pass sailed 5 yards out of bounds. The Bills were definitely on the short side of the calls last night. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockinon Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 Quote On 10/7/2021 at 2:09 PM, Rockinon said: 38 - 27 Bills Chiefs can't keep up. Damn. I missed it by a KC TD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SCBills Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 Very interesting to see a DL, that didn't get any sacks, have such an impact on the game. Mahomes is elite throwing off platform on broken plays, but like most (even elite) QB's, he struggles when moved off his spot in the pocket while having to throw into tight windows, facing pressure. This DL, rushing 4, did that...all game. Forced Mahomes to feel pressure and have to move off his drop, and then force throws into tight windows in the short and intermediate range. I'm not going to say the league has "figured" out Mahomes, because his offense has been tearing it up until they played us - but if you bracket Hill, beat up Kelce, and get pressure with 4, Mahomes suddenly becomes very mortal. We saw this in two different ways with Tampa (sacks) and Buffalo (constant pressure). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 Let’s get that Titans thread going, get that one and the Bills should be 8-1 in the first 9 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 Addison was a man on a mission last night. I know lots of other guys played well but that is the fastest I have seen him move in years. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichRiderBills Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 Sad to see the national media narrative apart from GMFB is how done the Chiefs are and not our ascension. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 That was quite the statement made! The drive on which the Bills clinched the game with their last TD, was a thing of beauty. One that makes you feel like this team has “it”. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMannn Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 From GMFB this morning. Schrager says Allen is now a better QB than Mahomes. Brandt says Bills best team in league. But this gem from them, and thinking about it there is some truth to this. "They got Rousseau just to go against Red#15". Yeah that does make sense. Sure they needed a pass rush against all teams but especially Mahomes after seeing the Bucs beat them down in the SB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 Chiefs were doomed from the first drive.....John Krik said in his column yesterday that the first team that had to settle for a FG would lose Buffalo at Kansas City KRYK PICK: Buffalo Both offences are about as healthy as any in the league. Rain is likely, on a grass field, so defenders will slip. See where this is going? If rain isn’t too hard, first team to settle for a FG loses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 12 minutes ago, SCBills said: Very interesting to see a DL, that didn't get any sacks, have such an impact on the game. Mahomes is elite throwing off platform on broken plays, but like most (even elite) QB's, he struggles when moved off his spot in the pocket while having to throw into tight windows, facing pressure. This DL, rushing 4, did that...all game. Forced Mahomes to feel pressure and have to move off his drop, and then force throws into tight windows in the short and intermediate range. I'm not going to say the league has "figured" out Mahomes, because his offense has been tearing it up until they played us - but if you bracket Hill, beat up Kelce, and get pressure with 4, Mahomes suddenly becomes very mortal. We saw this in two different ways with Tampa (sacks) and Buffalo (constant pressure). https://www.espn.com/nfl/boxscore/_/gameId/401326408 We were credited with 2 sacks. The big stat is 8 QB hits while only allowing one. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 Am launching the "Spencer Brown Enjoyer Club" membership is open now 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 I've been wanting to say Josh Allen is better than Patrick Mahomes for a minute, but it was mainly based on potential. I think I'm ready to say it. Josh Allen is better than Patrick Mahomes. With Dawson Knox becoming a Travis Kelce clone, you're seeing how unreal Allen can be when he's not carrying a team with only his WR's. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 Big win, a great performance all around. I fully expect the Chiefs to get better and win the AFC West. They are missing some key pieces on defense and aren't in sync right now. If we see them again this year, they will be tougher. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CircleTheWagons99 Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 "With the always dangerous Chiefs having cut their deficit to 11 early in the fourth, Allen piloted a 12-play, 85-yard drive that took up 7 minutes, 51 seconds (albeit helped immensely by a very questionable roughing the passer call)." The man crush with Teams needs to stop, NFL is not even trying to hide their affection for certain teams..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MAJBobby Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 2 hours ago, BuffaninSarasota said: beating the Chiefs in every capacity (38-20 and not even that close) then complaining about the refs just sounds old & tired ...... Why? the NFL has an officials Problem. Can I not be happy about beating the chiefs soundly, but also talk about the Bad officiating in the NFL? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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