billsbackto81 Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 4 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: The defense held them to 1 TD and a few field goals. I put this one on offense and STs… Oh agree 100% on that. Just saying Star might've made the D even better that game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv's Neighbor Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 That's fine but we did as well without him last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 4 minutes ago, Marv's Neighbor said: That's fine but we did as well without him last season. Our defense was a sieve last season outside of one nice performance against Baltimore and Josh allen carried the whole team lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 Thread titles should not be longer than the opening post... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 5 hours ago, Jim Steele said: jim We are also 3-0 since I started shaving my nut sack. I think that's where the winning is coming from. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 Hopefully Star is healthy for the Chiefs game. He’s going to be the X-factor for the defense. Him pushing the pocket from the interior is gonna make life a living hell for Mahomes. Mahomes won’t be able to escape because Groot, Epenesa, Hughes are gonna be bending those corners. Frazier just can’t allow his DBs to play 10 yards off the line of scrimmage. Play press coverage with help on Hill. I believe the front four will have a helluva game this Sunday night Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 We just played three straight games against QBs who should be nowhere near a starting lineup. That's my thought. I hope not, but a good chance this board will be pissing all over itself next Monday morning (and not bc Star was in the lineup or not). Not seeing the Bills with any more answers to the Chiefs than they had 9 months ago. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 4 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Most people, myself included have assumed due to his contract, Star would be back this season, but in the next off season can dump him as cap hit is not too bad. But after seeing the difference this year in the line play and no apparent replacement on the roster, I wonder if they will keep him another season and maybe then draft a true replacement for him. They could sign a top FA replacement, but then you'd be paying the FA plus the cap hit for Star so keeping him one more season might be better. The only exception could be if Harry really stepped up and shows he can replace him with little loss. But if not may be best to keep him around and draft a replacement in 2nd or 3rd round and have him then take over in 2023. His contract is set up where the Bills will likely keep him next season too. He has $6.75M in new money, but $2.5M of that is guaranteed. It’s not an absolute given but it’s very probable that for a difference of $4.25M they’ll keep him here in 2022. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syhuang Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 Cover 1 has a nice video about Star: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 If they win with Star starting this week then I am all in on Star Luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JÂy RÛßeÒ Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 Same with Moss - inactive week 1 = loss. Active weeks 2-4 = 3 epic wins. MVP 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caveman Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 Yeah, c'mon, Star is great but didn't have anything to do with that Steelers loss (that's on Brian Daboll and his empty backfields as far as I'm concerned) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterLifer Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 I'm not taking this literally, but as a poke at all the Star-bashers we had to put up with over the past year. In that spirit, I like it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 These past 3 games is probably some of the best football Star has played since coming to Buffalo. I hope it continues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 On 10/4/2021 at 5:50 PM, Nextmanup said: We are also 3-0 since I started shaving my nut sack. I think that's where the winning is coming from. Pics as proof, please. On 10/4/2021 at 5:54 PM, Solomon Grundy said: Hopefully Star is healthy for the Chiefs game. He’s going to be the X-factor for the defense. Him pushing the pocket from the interior is gonna make life a living hell for Mahomes. Mahomes won’t be able to escape because Groot, Epenesa, Hughes are gonna be bending those corners. Frazier just can’t allow his DBs to play 10 yards off the line of scrimmage. Play press coverage with help on Hill. I believe the front four will have a helluva game this Sunday night 🤞 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 He's playing with more power, drive and energy. He has 2 sacks already, equal last year's total. If he continues playing like this they will be hard to beat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 On 10/4/2021 at 12:40 PM, RyanC883 said: is it Star? Is it Oliver playing better because Oliver looks a bit bigger and is winning his one on ones that he was not last year? The DL also looked great yesterday when Star rotated out. I'd say it's an overall improved group. We don't have any real pro-bowl caliber players on the DL right now, but the group overall is solid. That's the difference between now and last year, IMO. Oliver and his 1 pressure? Four games in and he's not benefiting from Star like we hoped. I would say everyone on our DLine improved except him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 21 minutes ago, Turk71 said: He's playing with more power, drive and energy. He has 2 sacks already, equal last year's total. If he continues playing like this they will be hard to beat. Hey I'm a proponent for Star, but to be fair his first sack was credited to him for being closest to the QB when he ran out of bounds for a loss, and the second was Houston... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 10 minutes ago, r00tabaga said: Oliver and his 1 pressure? Four games in and he's not benefiting from Star like we hoped. I would say everyone on our DLine improved except him. Oliver is playing well imo. He is winning his battles. Star is playing well. They are the #1 defense so far Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 Just now, Turk71 said: Oliver is playing well imo. He is winning his battles. Star is playing well. They are the #1 defense so far I get that but Ed is underperforming for a first round pick. He literally only has one QB pressure all year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, 1ManRaid said: Hey I'm a proponent for Star, but to be fair his first sack was credited to him for being closest to the QB when he ran out of bounds for a loss, and the second was Houston... Lots of sacks are about luck, being in the right place, etc. I'm just glad to see more energy, power and presence from him this year. It's a great sign for the d so far. Edited October 7, 2021 by Turk71 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 9 minutes ago, 1ManRaid said: Hey I'm a proponent for Star, but to be fair his first sack was credited to him for being closest to the QB when he ran out of bounds for a loss, and the second was Houston... You should feel embarrassed for this. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor26 Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 Like to see him help the Bills shut down the run if KC tries to go to that like last year. Bills secondary was good but they kept getting gashed up the middle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 On 10/4/2021 at 12:48 PM, Alphadawg7 said: Star is, and always has been very good. But, let’s also not forget Brisket, Heineken, and Nills were the 3 QBs we faced. Yes all intentional misspellings. We cooked one, drove one to drink, and got nothing from the other. But again, Star matters a lot to this defense, always has. We are a much better defense when he is on the field. I mean... Star was facing the O line too. Not just the QB. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 1 hour ago, LeGOATski said: You should feel embarrassed for this. Oh do explain, this should be fun. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 1 minute ago, 1ManRaid said: Oh do explain, this should be fun. Explain football to you? That doesn't sound fun at all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, r00tabaga said: I get that but Ed is underperforming for a first round pick. He literally only has one QB pressure all year. Oliver has weirdly become a really good run defender, but just an okay pass defender. That is not the player we thought we drafted. Our defense has quietly become an elite run stopping unit after being repeatedly gashed last year. Star is a big reason why, but Oliver holding the middle and Rousseau setting the edge have also contributed. Pass rush has been just okay this year IMO but the back 7 has had elite coverage. Star has arguably been our best pass rusher - a 31 year old 1-tech after taking a year off. Just as everyone predicted. Edited October 8, 2021 by HappyDays 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 1 hour ago, HappyDays said: Oliver has weirdly become a really good run defender, but just an okay pass defender. That is not the player we thought we drafted. Our defense has quietly become an elite run stopping unit after being repeatedly gashed last year. Star is a big reason why, but Oliver holding the middle and Rousseau setting the edge have also contributed. Pass rush has been just okay this year IMO but the back 7 has had elite coverage. Star has arguably been our best pass rusher - a 31 year old 1-tech after taking a year off. Just as everyone predicted. Lotulelei hasn’t been seeing as many double teams this year for whatever reason….he’s always been able to overpower 1v1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 (edited) On 10/5/2021 at 12:55 AM, Jim Steele said: The Bills are 3 - 0 with Star plaiyng any thoughts His absence wasn't the reason we lost to Pittsburgh, but he's been really good. He's always been an excellent space eater / block absorber and hole clogger. Always. And that continues. He was also always weirdly good at running laterally when he got off blocks and chased guys outwards. He continues to do these both very well. But he's gotten a lot better at rushing the passer. It's great to see. He was greatly missed in 2020. The 2019 and 2021 defenses were absolutely excellent, and his presence is a real part of that. His presence makes the players around him significantly better. On 10/5/2021 at 6:27 AM, Generic_Bills_Fan said: Our defense was a sieve last season outside of one nice performance against Baltimore and Josh allen carried the whole team lol No, it really wasn't. The last half of the year they were very solid. Not as good as they are this year with Star, though. Edited October 8, 2021 by Thurman#1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 (edited) On 10/5/2021 at 7:36 AM, BarleyNY said: His contract is set up where the Bills will likely keep him next season too. He has $6.75M in new money, but $2.5M of that is guaranteed. It’s not an absolute given but it’s very probable that for a difference of $4.25M they’ll keep him here in 2022. Yup. I've been saying for the last two years that he was a great deal more likely to be here in 2022 than a lot of people here thought. 11 hours ago, r00tabaga said: Oliver and his 1 pressure? Four games in and he's not benefiting from Star like we hoped. I would say everyone on our DLine improved except him. I disagree. Out of all the players on our suddenly very effective DL, it's Oliver who's getting doubled constantly. Teams know how good he is. IMO we'll start to see teams trying to double Star more on pass plays and that will allow Oliver more chances. Edited October 8, 2021 by Thurman#1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apocalypse Nuts Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 (edited) 12 hours ago, LeGOATski said: You should feel embarrassed for this. Now my memory isn’t the best, but my sense is that LeGOAT is no dummy on here and has made some pretty good points at times. So I would agree with this and the general sentiment of this statement. Just sayin’ Edited October 8, 2021 by Apocalypse Nuts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apocalypse Nuts Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 59 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said: Yup. I've been saying for the last two years that he was a great deal more likely to be here in 2022 than a lot of people here thought. I disagree. Out of all the players on our suddenly very effective DL, it's Oliver who's getting doubled constantly. Teams know how good he is. IMO we'll start to see teams trying to double Star more on pass plays and that will allow Oliver more chances. This is a poster who has actually been watching the games vs barely watching and just regurgitating the opinions of others like so freaking many do on here. Ed O is getting doubled so much and just watch how much those two offensive linemen have to work to slow him down. The guy is so strong and tenacious. He definitely does his part to make things work. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 12 hours ago, r00tabaga said: I get that but Ed is underperforming for a first round pick. He literally only has one QB pressure all year. Kinda get the feeling you and 1manraid are just looking at statsheets to determine someone's effectiveness. But, hey we're Bills fans, so we have to complain about someone/something. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 The Bills are 3 - 0 with Star playing any thoughts? We missed him? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Dopey said: Kinda get the feeling you and 1manraid are just looking at statsheets to determine someone's effectiveness. But, hey we're Bills fans, so we have to complain about someone/something. I never notice him in gms. Like he blew up one running play this year and that's it for me. It's when Joe Marino mentioned his QB pressures that I really started to worry. Maybe he's getting double teamed like someone mentioned but we're never going to get an Aaron Donald Jr like we wanted. I love all the bills I'm just calling him out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apocalypse Nuts Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 (edited) Him taking last year off was the best thing for him and this team. He's super well rested and rejuvenated. All that time to let his body heal and reset has done wonders and that is quite evident in his play. Lovin' it! And, full disclosure, I was previously guilty of not really watching his play and judging him on what others were saying and what I saw on like two plays a game. So I'm not exactly a Star homer. His story is a great lesson for me to shut up and actually watch the tape before I try to form an original opinion. Edited October 8, 2021 by Apocalypse Nuts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 14 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: His absence wasn't the reason we lost to Pittsburgh, but he's been really good. He's always been an excellent space eater / block absorber and hole clogger. Always. And that continues. He was also always weirdly good at running laterally when he got off blocks and chased guys outwards. He continues to do these both very well. But he's gotten a lot better at rushing the passer. It's great to see. He was greatly missed in 2020. The 2019 and 2021 defenses were absolutely excellent, and his presence is a real part of that. His presence makes the players around him significantly better. No, it really wasn't. The last half of the year they were very solid. Not as good as they are this year with Star, though. against average teams maybe....the colts and chiefs did absolutely whatever they wanted to us in the playoffs...if Josh didnt carry us we wouldve gotten bounced in the first round. gotta tip my cap to the gameplan against lamar though our defense gave him fits both times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Blainorama5 Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 Ummmm...... keep Star starting ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 If the Bills D shows a huge improvement over last years unit it then we can attribute some of that to the importance of a true 1 technique DT. Not all of it but some of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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