BillsfaninSB Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 While I think Wilson was a reasonable choice, I think the mistake the Jets made was not clearing seeing he needs to stay on the sideline for awhile. Why they did not get a guy like Brissett or Fitz amazes me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 Wilson is a little kid in a man's game. Best QBs in the AFC East are 1. Allen 2. Mitch 3. Jacoby 4. Everyone else 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brennan Huff Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 7 hours ago, ganesh said: We are only 3 games into the season and we already want to call everyone a bust. Fields and Wilson are working on teams without much talent and will take a few years to have the right cast. Give them the time to grow and mature in the NFL No 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanSD Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 At this point in Josh's career, he had already won a road game as a double-digit underdog and given the fan base an all-time highlight play. Call we when Wilson does something. Positive I mean. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 7 hours ago, Buffalo Boy said: I see your point but don’t think it’s an apt comparison for a few reasons. You mentioned the Jets are an absolute dumpster fire which is true. However, Josh is a Big Ol Country boy. A Man’s man when it comes to measurables. Zack is slight of build. He’s not built to take the beating he’s taking whereas Josh was not only built for it but was out there putting his body on the line repeatedly and loving it. The human in me feels bad for the kid but the Bills fan in me LOVES watching the Jets jet. Sam Darnold not looking like such a bum after all. I respectfully disagree. You're certainly right that there are huge physical differences there. But as far as performance, both were really pretty bad their first few games in the league. Bills fans remember some hopeful moments that year, and there were some. Most came in the second half of the year. His first few games he ran a lot but was pretty awful passing. The thing that made me more hopeful with Allen was that he had less experience than Wilson has. But it's so so very early. Do people remember how absolutely awful Peyton Manning was early? In his first four games, Manning had 3 TDs and 11 INTs. Only one of his passer ratings for those four games got up into the 60s (63.2). He was awful. And yes, the Colts were a tire fire, but same with the Bills offense that first year and the Jets offense this year. And yeah, Darnold looks like he's going to be for real. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 Meanwhile, Darnold looks like he might just be an NFL calibre QB. It's kind of hard to really blame Wilson. Who knows, though? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 The jets should have drafted darnold 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddick Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 I just watched a Youtube vid of every Wilson pass yesterday and honestly he wasn't as bad as his stats show. The Jets fans make me laugh how they're suggesting getting another 1st round QB already. He's not been great but he had so many passes that were on the WR's hands and were dropped. In that sense I see real similarities to Allen. That was something we all saw in his second season but of course the people who didn;t watch the games never mentioned it. He also has zero time to throw so often and the pocket just implodes around him. They need to make sure the kid isn;t shell shocked because Allen is a big guy who could take it but Wilson is so much smaller. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddick Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Thurman#1 said: I respectfully disagree. You're certainly right that there are huge physical differences there. But as far as performance, both were really pretty bad their first few games in the league. Bills fans remember some hopeful moments that year, and there were some. Most came in the second half of the year. His first few games he ran a lot but was pretty awful passing. The thing that made me more hopeful with Allen was that he had less experience than Wilson has. But it's so so very early. Do people remember how absolutely awful Peyton Manning was early? In his first four games, Manning had 3 TDs and 11 INTs. Only one of his passer ratings for those four games got up into the 60s (63.2). He was awful. And yes, the Colts were a tire fire, but same with the Bills offense that first year and the Jets offense this year. And yeah, Darnold looks like he's going to be for real. The biggest difference I see in their rookie seasons is that Josh had those moments when he would literally will his team down the field. Take the game against the Vikings which I think was his 3rd game and second start. Yeah, the defense played well in that game but Allen put on some real magic during (the jump over Barr, the super man impression when he flew into the endzone). Right there and then you could see he had something, and that same Josh would show up at times throughout the year. I agree he was much better after the injury, that's when it seemed to slow down for him. And I have to say, for all the talk of the Jets offense, the Bills offense that year was just as bad. That line, Dawkins aside, was appalling, and his WRs were guys no longer in the league or just reserves. As someone else said, he made Foster look pretty great at times that year and now the guy can't stick to another team. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 Couldn’t happen to a better franchise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 5 hours ago, BillsfaninSB said: While I think Wilson was a reasonable choice, I think the mistake the Jets made was not clearing seeing he needs to stay on the sideline for awhile. Why they did not get a guy like Brissett or Fitz amazes me. Yes, new coach but same approach to destroying a rookie QB 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 1 hour ago, RobbRiddick said: I just watched a Youtube vid of every Wilson pass yesterday and honestly he wasn't as bad as his stats show. The Jets fans make me laugh how they're suggesting getting another 1st round QB already. He's not been great but he had so many passes that were on the WR's hands and were dropped. In that sense I see real similarities to Allen. That was something we all saw in his second season but of course the people who didn;t watch the games never mentioned it. He also has zero time to throw so often and the pocket just implodes around him. They need to make sure the kid isn;t shell shocked because Allen is a big guy who could take it but Wilson is so much smaller. I agree, you can watch it here: Not sure what else he’s supposed to do, he locks onto his first read too often but he’s mostly delivering catchable balls from a very muddy pocket. His right tackle is basically a pylon and his receivers have two left hands. Can’t judge the guy from what they’ve surrounded him with. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Coach Tuesday said: I agree, you can watch it here: Not sure what else he’s supposed to do, he locks onto his first read too often but he’s mostly delivering catchable balls from a very muddy pocket. His right tackle is basically a pylon and his receivers have two left hands. Can’t judge the guy from what they’ve surrounded him with. He throws 4 or 5 terrible passes, but for the most part those all occurred after they were getting killed and he had taken a beating. He actually looks fairly decent given what he has to work with. He definitely has a chance if they can keep him alive and his psyche intact while they build that roster. Also, how bad of a signing was Corey Davis? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 12 hours ago, JohnNord said: I haven’t watched him much this season but in the preseason he looked good and made Tyler Kroft look like an All-Pro If only he saw vanilla defenses all year lol 1 hour ago, Coach Tuesday said: I agree, you can watch it here: Not sure what else he’s supposed to do, he locks onto his first read too often but he’s mostly delivering catchable balls from a very muddy pocket. His right tackle is basically a pylon and his receivers have two left hands. Can’t judge the guy from what they’ve surrounded him with. I've watched every second of every jets game because I have the unfortunate displeasure of getting them as my local team and it is definitely all the things you said AND hes playing bad though lol. He threw a pretty large quantity of horrible passes to open guys and has made plenty of terrible decisions. All his picks in the previous game were with a clean pocket and they were just awful throws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 Wilson is talented (even though he looks like an adolescent) but he's a rook playing the most demanding position in all of professional sports. He doesn't have much of a run game and his o-line has been very bad, that big LT has looked terrible (maybe not all his fault). Jets are sure to stunt his growth but he will do well after he's traded to a better organization for a fifth rounder. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 Until they actually fix the OL and get some weapons around him it will be an exercise in futility no matter who the QB is for the Jets. Look at Darnold in Carolina right now. I don't blame Wilson but so much at this point. If they don't at least get the OL fixed then he won't last the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syhuang Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 Getting injured in Texans game in Josh's rookie year actually helped his development quite a bit. He got to step back and learned from the sideline when he was out. He showed obvious improvement when he came back. It's a blessing in disguise then. Jets should have Wilson learned from the sideline too instead of playing him. They did it totally wrong without a veteran quarterback and simply granted starting QB position to Wilson at camp. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 My only correction for the OP is that Mahomes sat a year...he didn't "light it up" immediately. The Jests have a crappy owner. It makes a difference. I don't feel sorry for Wilson or any other Jest. Screw 'em. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 Well, if he ever had a chance to be a good NFL QB - and I’m not saying that he did - going to the Jest ruined it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 6 hours ago, TBBills said: Wilson is a little kid in a man's game. Best QBs in the AFC East are 1. Allen 2. Mitch 3. Jacoby 4. Everyone else Right now: 1. Allen 2. Mitch 3. Jacoby 4. Davis Webb 5. Everyone else 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 Too early to tell. Its hard to evaluate a QB on such a dumpster fire of a team. Darnold proves that. Darnold may not even turn into a star but he is leagues better on a better team. The Jets team as a whole is just a complete mess from the top on down. Who knows if Saleh can even coach? Sure he was a good DC but that doesn't mean he is a good HC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 13 hours ago, ganesh said: We are only 3 games into the season and we already want to call everyone a bust. Fields and Wilson are working on teams without much talent and will take a few years to have the right cast. Give them the time to grow and mature in the NFL I agree that Wilson & Fields are talented and are playing on teams that have not a lot of talent around them. The glaring problem is that they are on a pair of horribly run organizations. Until the owners fix the issues inside the office, these QB's are going to suffer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 Wilson has the arm talent the Jets are a dumpster fire. Patrick Mahomes drafted to the Jets doesn't get his 5th year option picked up either. With Fields its Nagy. Why they dont go full Baltimore and implement the zone read and move Fields is beyond me. The organization Buffalo has become is impressive. Its as much Beane and the front office as it is Mcdermott and the players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 Bills plan for Allen year one was bad, the roster was too bare to do anything. At least they had the sense to rest him and pick up a Derek Anderson off street. I don’t see the Jets even doing something like that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumpsuit Jim Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 Conversely, Trevor Lawrence, who also plays poorly on a really bad team, has “flashed” and made some “WOW” throws. I would feel much more confident in saying Lawrence will be a quality QB even if the Jags are just JAGs. Maybe like a Stafford on the Lions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syhuang Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 In today's press conference, Saleh compared Wilson's first 5 starts to Josh's and said Wilson would be fine. Whether Wilson will be fine is still up in the air but comparing to Josh's early career stats could be misleading considering Josh was very raw and his development path is more of an outlier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 14 minutes ago, syhuang said: In today's press conference, Saleh compared Wilson's first 5 starts to Josh's and said Wilson would be fine. Whether Wilson will be fine is still up in the air but comparing to Josh's early career stats could be misleading considering Josh was very raw and his development path is more of an outlier. He also conveniently left out rushing yards and W/L record...the Bills that year certainly weren't any better than the jets. Josh allen averaged more rushing yards per game in his first few starts than Wilson has total for the season so far Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 On 9/26/2021 at 8:46 PM, qwksilver said: Wilson actually has better Wr's than Josh did, but Wilson's Oline might be worse. Worse than Ducasse-Groy or Bodine-Miller-Mills? Srsly? On 9/26/2021 at 8:46 PM, qwksilver said: I watched about 10 plays toady and he had wide open receivers and bounced the football at their feet. It's still early, but he looks lost. Hopefully he does not have a connection to Jordan Palmer. Jordan Palmer didn't help Darnold too much when he was being coached by Gase and playing for the Jets 2 hours ago, syhuang said: In today's press conference, Saleh compared Wilson's first 5 starts to Josh's and said Wilson would be fine. Whether Wilson will be fine is still up in the air but comparing to Josh's early career stats could be misleading considering Josh was very raw and his development path is more of an outlier. Perhaps Wilson will be fine. Above is leaving out rush yards and rush TDs (135 and 2 TD for Allen, 22 and 0 TD for Wilson) Also leaving out the fact that Allen was considered too raw to start and in fact was taking 3rd team snaps all preseason, until McCarron got traded, Peterman shat the bed, and Allen got thrown to the wolves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Josh is the exception, not the rule. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank Stare Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Josh gets unfairly panned for that first year. The offense around him was absolutely trash. For anyone who bothered to watch a game it was literally Josh and Shady on his last legs. That’s it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVilanch Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 My favorite part of Josh ascending to where he is is teams will hold onto bad Qbs an extra couple years thinking they will magically transform into a franchise QB in year 3. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo44 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Josh had/has intangibles in spades, even obvious in his first year and not sure Wilson has it and am positive Darnold does not. Darnold almost single-handedly lost Carolinas last game to PHI, a game a contending team can never lose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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