Bills unlikely to leave Buffalo if PSE doesn’t get public or state funding for stadium

[BuffaloBills1998]

https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10012445-report-bills-unlikely-to-leave-buffalo-if-team-doesnt-get-funding-for-new-stadium.amp.html I knew we weren’t leaving. Suck it Florio

[Patience]

Are we to infer that if they do not receive public/state funding, that they will spend their own funds to build it? 

[LeGOATski]

5 minutes ago, Patience said:

Are we to infer that if they do not receive public/state funding, that they will spend their own funds to build it? 

I don't think so. This article offers no new information other than this following sentence:

 

"However, Claire Partain of Austonia reported in early September that "the move is looking more unlikely than ever a month after the rumors first began."

 

Who the hell is Claire Partain and what the hell does she know?

 

It seems like it's more unlikely simply because talks are moving forward positively.

20 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10012445-report-bills-unlikely-to-leave-buffalo-if-team-doesnt-get-funding-for-new-stadium.amp.html I knew we weren’t leaving. Suck it Florio

I appreciate the sharing of information, but this should be merged with the existing thread about the new stadium.

[BuffaloBills1998]

5 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

I don't think so. This article offers no new information other than this following sentence:

 

"However, Claire Partain of Austonia reported in early September that "the move is looking more unlikely than ever a month after the rumors first began."

 

Who the hell is Claire Partain and what the hell does she know?

 

It seems like it's more unlikely simply because talks are moving forward positively.

I appreciate the sharing of information, but this should be merged with the existing thread about the new stadium.

Yeah I know, I just didn’t feel like digging up an old post that was mainly a post for two people bickering at each other. Plus we haven’t heard much about the stadium for a while and I thought I’d post this. I have to agree though, I think the negotiation talks are going into a positive direction and that’s good. Poloncarz did say a deal will get done but it just has to be a fair deal for all. Hochoul also said a deal will get done and her administration is working very hard towards it

[Punching Bag]

2 hours ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

Yeah I know, I just didn’t feel like digging up an old post that was mainly a post for two people bickering at each other. Plus we haven’t heard much about the stadium for a while and I thought I’d post this. I have to agree though, I think the negotiation talks are going into a positive direction and that’s good. Poloncarz did say a deal will get done but it just has to be a fair deal for all. Hochoul also said a deal will get done and her administration is working very hard towards it

 

The way they argue you would think they were jolted lovers or something.

 

The Pegulas office has stated they are not going to renew current lease until agreement is made on new stadium.

That is a very firm line. Without a renewal they have no place to play.

[JoPoy88]

2 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

I don't think so. This article offers no new information other than this following sentence:

 

"However, Claire Partain of Austonia reported in early September that "the move is looking more unlikely than ever a month after the rumors first began."

 

Who the hell is Claire Partain and what the hell does she know?

 

It seems like it's more unlikely simply because talks are moving forward positively.

I appreciate the sharing of information, but this should be merged with the existing thread about the new stadium.

So this media member from Austonia (Austin-based local outlet) was responding specifically to the Wickersham rumor that Austin was a suitor. We’ve known for a while now that Austin was complete bs, since various members of the Austin local gov’t were asked about this immediately after the rumor broke and none of them knew anything about it.

[Doc Brown]

Only relevant part of article...  Flimsy imo.

 

"But a source who knows the family and has spoken to them in recent weeks tells The Post that the threats are just that — idle threats: The Pegula family isn't likely to move the Bills, even if they don't get state or local funding to help build a new 60,000-seat stadium, the source said."

 

Edited September 15, 2021 by Doc Brown

[John from Riverside]

Somebody’s going to pay for it

[machine gun kelly]

It will probably end up somewhere in the middle where the County and State chip x $ and the Pegulas pay the rest.

[GunnerBill]

The Pegulas don't have much of a hand to play. They don't want to move the team and they don't want to pay for a new stadium. 

[Niagara Dude]

8 hours ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10012445-report-bills-unlikely-to-leave-buffalo-if-team-doesnt-get-funding-for-new-stadium.amp.html I knew we weren’t leaving. Suck it Florio

Until some city dying for an NFL team offers up a pot of gold to move,  city officials need to put up money.  Not asking too much to build a stadium every 50 years. Thinking that they can renovate again is total BS,  you have some cities like Atlanta and Washington that are going on their second stadiums while Buffalo just renovates.  

[Mr. WEO]

8 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

I don't think so. This article offers no new information other than this following sentence:

 

"However, Claire Partain of Austonia reported in early September that "the move is looking more unlikely than ever a month after the rumors first began."

 

Who the hell is Claire Partain and what the hell does she know?

 

It seems like it's more unlikely simply because talks are moving forward positively.

I appreciate the sharing of information, but this should be merged with the existing thread about the new stadium.

 

She's a reporter form the Austin paper.  It's worth noting that Austin officials knew nothing about the Bills considering Ausitn at the time that story broke.

 

Anyway, how does the NYP break this story?  Who the hell is "Josh Kosman"?

[DJB]

First we lose to the Steelers and now we are moving again

[Gugny]

“If I want to make some money, I'll go drill another well.”  - TP

[nucci]

4 minutes ago, Gugny said:

“If I want to make some money, I'll go drill another well.”  - TP

#pegulaville

[Greg S]

7 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

The way they argue you would think they were jolted lovers or something.

 

The Pegulas office has stated they are not going to renew current lease until agreement is made on new stadium.

That is a very firm line. Without a renewal they have no place to play.

 

I know they say they won't renew but if push comes to shove I think they will renew on a year to year basis or a short term lease until its gets figured. I believe the Chargers and Raiders did that for the longest time when they were in SD/OAK. While those teams eventually moved I doubt that happens here. Everyone knows how important the Bills are to WNY. The Bills are Buffalo and are one of the main reasons Buffalo is on the map nationally. 

[WhoTom]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

The Pegulas don't have much of a hand to play. They don't want to move the team and they don't want to pay for a new stadium. 

 

Agreed. they overpayed for the team (about 40% above the appraised value) to ensure they'd get it and keep it in Buffalo, and they'll be flexible on the stadium for the same reason. With that said, they'll probably play the "we overpayed to keep the team here" card with some degree of success. In the end, the funding will be somewhere around the 50/50 mark, with negotiations to determine exactly where the line between public and private financing is drawn.

[SoCal Deek]

Why is it so hard for people to understand that if the Pegulas are the only ones funding the stadium then the repayment of that investment will fall squarely on the backs of those few people who sit in the seats on Sunday? Every Bills fan should be praying for public funding to spread the cost over as many people as possible. Terry and Kim do not owe you a stadium. 

[May Day 10]

The PS&E guy was on WGR and he sounded very confident in everything, saying that the vaccine policy agreement is the same level of cooperation and respect as the stadium talks... and it is a pleasure working with the State and EC and he will be back on commenting when they get further and there is something he can comment on.

[buffblue]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

Why is it so hard for people to understand that if the Pegulas are the only ones funding the stadium then the repayment of that investment will fall squarely on the backs of those few people who sit in the seats on Sunday? Every Bills fan should be praying for public funding to spread the cost over as many people as possible. Terry and Kim do not owe you a stadium. 

Exactly. Which is better- less public funding that will disproportionately, negatively impact WNY, or a larger slice of the cost that helps defray the impact on the people who care the most. Regardless of structure Bills fans will have to pay. Why not have downstate folks contribute to something for once that benefits Buffalo?

[Jauronimo]

Say no to public funding! Our tax dollars would be better spent on building the world's premier dialysis center after the team leaves and the city crumbles. 

[TXBILLSFAN]

Austin was never an option, Jerry Jones would not let that happen.  He believes Cowboys own Texas (exc Houston area) as their "home" turf.

 

Buffalo (the community) deserves to get state funding, consistent with what the state provided NYC area for new stadiums/arenas for Mets, Nets, Yankees, Knicks/Rangers and Islanders.  The issue is local funding, which is going to be significantly less given the economic health of the region.

 

The other cities that could try and "poach" the Bills, I'd keep my eye on San Diego and St. Louis, maybe San Antonio (before Austin) and Portland.  This is a real possibility if there is not a stadium deal.  The NFL does not care about fan loyalty (nor do other sports leagues).  Decisions are based on economics, not emotion.

[RiotAct]

12 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

Say no to public funding! Our tax dollars would be better spent on building the world's premier dialysis center after the team leaves and the city crumbles. 

or a really, really big Delta Sonic (plus the associated costs for road repairs near the entrance(s) to said Delta Sonic).

[Jauronimo]

2 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

or a really, really big Delta Sonic (plus the associated costs for road repairs near the entrance(s) to said Delta Sonic).

And a Bass Pro Shop.  Buffalo has always been a car wash town.  Football merely tided us over between car wash and bass pro fishing season.

[Doc]

They're unlikely to move...because they will get public/state funding.  The article is just speculation.  

[TBBills]

We found out the rumor came from a guy who "Owned" a hotdog cart in Austin Texas. 

[DrDawkinstein]

3 hours ago, Gugny said:

“If I want to make some money, I'll go drill another well.”  - TP

 

To be fair, that is what he said when he bought the Sabres. For barely $190M.

 

Little different when you fork over $1.4BILLION in cash.

 

Plus, I'd rather he not do any more fracking if possible.

15 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

or a really, really big Delta Sonic (plus the associated costs for road repairs near the entrance(s) to said Delta Sonic).

 

Delta Sonic Stadium has a nice ring to it.

[Jauronimo]

FWIW, I recently heard that Kim wants to sell the Sabres and be done with it but Terry won't let it happen.  If NY State doesn't play ball, PSE will actively look to move the team.  From the percentages that were tossed out there in this convo, PSE and NYS do not seem super far apart but I don't negotiate billion dollar stadiums for a living.

 

Take all with a shaker of salt.

[Gugny]

Just now, DrDawkinstein said:

 

To be fair, that is what he said when he bought the Sabres. For barely $190M.

 

Little different when you fork over $1.4BILLION in cash.

 

Plus, I'd rather he not do any more fracking if possible.

 

Was tongue in cheek and I agree re: fracking!

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, Gugny said:

 

Was tongue in cheek and I agree re: fracking!

 

Oh I know, just a good excuse to point out when that quote was said since so many associate it with the Bills.

[Jauronimo]

1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

To be fair, that is what he said when he bought the Sabres. For barely $190M.

 

Little different when you fork over $1.4BILLION in cash.

 

Plus, I'd rather he not do any more fracking if possible.

 

Delta Sonic Stadium has a nice ring to it.

To be fair, that is what Terry said in a very different oil and gas market.  Terry sold much his holdings at peak market.  Terry sold East Resources to Royal Shell for $4.7 billion in 2010.  Royal Shell liquidated that crap for $541 million last year.  Getting out of the oil and gas market and into sports was some pretty serendipitous timing by the look of it.

 

https://www.forbes.com/profile/terrence-pegula/?sh=8eec2963cc7c

 

https://www.post-gazette.com/business/powersource/2020/05/04/Shell-Appalachian-shale-National-Fuel-Gas-Seneca-Resources-petrochemicals-Swepi/stories/202005040107

[Gen2]

5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

The Pegulas don't have much of a hand to play. They don't want to move the team and they don't want to pay for a new stadium. 

 

Not WANTING to move the team, and being stupid for not moving the team are two different things. I want the Bills to stay in Buffalo (or at least western New York) as much as the next fan, but realistically, can the area's economy support an NFL franchise?

 

It would break my heart, but I suspect there is a city or two willing to foot SOME of the costs and able to support at least league mid level ticket prices, and PSLs. I just don't see the local fans willingly supporting a 100% rise in ticket prices along with thousands of dollars for PSLs for the right to buy those tickets.

 

As far as gov't $$$ to help and pay for the stadium, IMHO, the people of Erie county and NYS will feel the money is better spent elsewhere (and I can't say I blame them).

 

My biggest fear is someplace (maybe like St. Louis) wants a team and is willing to pay for it. I'm not 100% sure the team won't move and I think that anybody who claims they are positive this will play out one way or the other is just whistling in the graveyard to cover their fears.

[RiotAct]

39 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

 

 

Delta Sonic Stadium has a nice ring to it.

hell of a lot better than the current name!

[DrDawkinstein]

5 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

hell of a lot better than the current name!

 

And if they kept the same hiring practices they use for Towel Girls, they could sell out every game!

[TXBILLSFAN]

If the NFL was starting from scratch there would be 0% chance Buffalo would be awarded a franchise.  I think we can all agree on that. 

 

Our only hope is that the state/local/NFL/Pegulas agree on a new stadium deal that keeps team here for next 30+ years.  Absent a new stadium, the team will not stay in Buffalo.  The NFL will put immense pressure on the Pegulas to relocate the team and/or sell it.  That is the reality of the NFL today.  Even with a new stadium and enhanced revenue, Buffalo will pale in comparison to larger cities and their communities deeper wallets, but, they will be competitive enough to survive.

 

I'm not suggesting this is right, I actually think it isn't, but, the NFL and other sports leagues are driving revenue / profits and franchise values.

 

 

[Bangarang]

I was never worried. It was obvious to me the threat of leaving was extremely hollow 

[DrDawkinstein]

5 minutes ago, TXBILLSFAN said:

If the NFL was starting from scratch there would be 0% chance Buffalo would be awarded a franchise.  I think we can all agree on that. 

 

Our only hope is that the state/local/NFL/Pegulas agree on a new stadium deal that keeps team here for next 30+ years.  Absent a new stadium, the team will not stay in Buffalo.  The NFL will put immense pressure on the Pegulas to relocate the team and/or sell it.  That is the reality of the NFL today.  Even with a new stadium and enhanced revenue, Buffalo will pale in comparison to larger cities and their communities deeper wallets, but, they will be competitive enough to survive.

 

I'm not suggesting this is right, I actually think it isn't, but, the NFL and other sports leagues are driving revenue / profits and franchise values.

 

 

 

This is it exactly.

 

Public funding for the stadium equals the locals pitching in to have an NFL team in a city that would otherwise never be able to justify it.

 

Spread that cost out over the entire state (read: Albany, NYC, etc), and that cost becomes much more reasonable and worth it for all us Bills fans.

 

I dont think the team will move anytime soon, but if we don't play along and compromise, then we absolutely set ourselves up for losing the team at some point in the future.

[JohnNord]

11 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Only relevant part of article...  Flimsy imo.

 

"But a source who knows the family and has spoken to them in recent weeks tells The Post that the threats are just that — idle threats: The Pegula family isn't likely to move the Bills, even if they don't get state or local funding to help build a new 60,000-seat stadium, the source said."

 

I do think there’s some truth to this.  To me it did seem like PSE was postering to try to get as much public funding as possible.  
 

Tim Graham is someone who seems to very much plugged in the Bills and PSE.  He has always said that he thinks it’s unlikely that the team moves and that Austin was one of the few relocation “Boogeymen” left now that LA has 2 teams and Toronto is dead.  
 

But his message to fans was - don’t think it CAN’T happen.  So it seems like it’s improbable but not completely unlikely 

[BillsShredder83]

This is not to bash OP at all. But I would rather read about a battle for 2nd team Gunner than this lol 

Covid has a better chance of miraculously disappearing tmrw than the team going anywhere.

 

There's a better chance of me getting picked up in a bar by Kim Pegula, and her leaving the Bills to me in her will.

 

I'd rather about equipment manager switching detergents. 

THIS TEAM IS GOING NOWHERE. EVER. DO NOT LET SOME POLITICAL LEVERAGING TRY TO RUIN YOUR DAY!

Enjoy the season guys, it's here. The teams fine. Our biggest threat is Daboll and im guessing he's had a attitude adjustment. Everything is fine enjoy 😉 

[plenzmd1]

 

 

1 hour ago, Jauronimo said:

FWIW, I recently heard that Kim wants to sell the Sabres and be done with it but Terry won't let it happen.  If NY State doesn't play ball, PSE will actively look to move the team.  From the percentages that were tossed out there in this convo, PSE and NYS do not seem super far apart but I don't negotiate billion dollar stadiums for a living.

 

Take all with a shaker of salt.

similar to what i have heard as well. Both sides sounds like they agree public money will be spent, just a matter of how much and terms. Ive sold enterprise software for 35 years, all deals get to this point. You say you want my offering, i say i want your business...but now the evalution is over and the spending gets real. This is when the real work begins, and is usually the longest stage in the sales process

 

If both sides want to get the deal done, it will get done. But in no way do i think the Bills leaving is impossible, it can happen if NYS becomes dug in for political purposes.

 

 

BTW, not to get all political, but NYS got a little over $100B in the Rescue plan funds, i don't think 1% of that going to fund a stadium to keep an entire region moving forward is a bad use of funds.