YoloinOhio Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 (edited) Quote ORCHARD PARK, N.Y. (AP) — The Buffalo Bills’ proposed new $1.4 billion stadium would include about 60,000 seats and 60 suites, The Associated Press has learned. The Bills’ proposal includes a timeline for construction with a completion date pegged for no later than 2027 based on how quickly a deal can be struck, a person with direct knowledge of the documents presented to state and county officials told the AP on condition of anonymity because the plan has not been made public. The team’s current lease expires in July 2023 and would be extended until the new facility is opened, should the project be approved by the state of New York and Erie County. The proposed capacity is about 12,000 seats less than the Bills’ current facility, now called Highmark Stadium, which was built in 1973. The new venue would not include a roof, but it would be designed so that a majority of the seats would be protected from the elements, the person said. Quote The expectation is the state and county will be asked to cover more than 50% of the project, raising concerns about the potential for taxpayer funding. PSE’s proposal is considered preliminary and subject to change based on discussions, with no renderings of the proposed facility having yet been submitted. Talks have been slowed in part because of New York’s change in governor, with Kathy Hochul taking over last week following Andrew Cuomo’s resignation. Hochul is from Buffalo, and has already had contact with PSE officials. Her office released a statement to The AP on Monday which read: “No one is more committed to keeping the Bills in Buffalo than Gov. Kathy Hochul, a long time Buffalo Bills fan. Negotiations are ongoing, and her administration looks forward to sharing details with the public as soon as negotiations are completed.” Old thread is officially outdated with the new ETA Edited December 23, 2021 by YoloinOhio 1 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Who's got the cash to fill up those 60 suites? I realize that's a big source of money for other teams but will that work in Buffalo? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 31, 2021 Author Share Posted August 31, 2021 1 minute ago, Utah John said: Who's got the cash to fill up those 60 suites? I realize that's a big source of money for other teams but will that work in Buffalo? Corporate 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 5 minutes ago, Utah John said: Who's got the cash to fill up those 60 suites? I realize that's a big source of money for other teams but will that work in Buffalo? With the new thread I will repeat this post. 60 suites is less than half of the number of suites in the average NFL stadium. It seems right for Buffalo. https://alsd.com/content/premium-seat-industry-reference-points 6 3 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uninja Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 6 minutes ago, Utah John said: Who's got the cash to fill up those 60 suites? I realize that's a big source of money for other teams but will that work in Buffalo? Between corporate sponsors, corporations using it as part of gladhanding/business development and well off people getting a permanent box for the year for 60 legal entities should not be that difficult. The WNY area can easily support dozens of private golf clubs with yearly dues into the 10's of thousands of dollars a year and very steep initiation fees. Getting a box for the year is basically the same deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty98 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 6 minutes ago, Utah John said: Who's got the cash to fill up those 60 suites? I realize that's a big source of money for other teams but will that work in Buffalo? Southern Ontario businesses will likely get in on them too. Toronto and Hamilton are close enough that you can get some businesses to have them. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 How many suites does the stadium have right now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Remember that wealthy away team groups will occupy some of these suites too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 16 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Old thread is officially outdated with the new ETA At 1st, I thought this was an artists rendition of the new stadium, but not one seat here is alee from the elements. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Superbowl venue for 2028 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, aristocrat said: How many suites does the stadium have right now? Like 120. But a lot are small. I'm assuming the 60 they are talking about are large high luxury suites. Without more details we are all guessing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 I am good with it, Protected Fans from elements, Likely the right TGT size for the Market. What is going to be my PSL cost, I will mail it in 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: At 1st, I thought this was an artists rendition of the new stadium, but not one seat here is alee from the elements. Same - then i was like... why are they building a smaller replica of the same stadium? lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elijah Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 60,000 seems a bit short no? Weren’t season tickets themselves 60k+ over the past 2 years? 8 4 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjd1001 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: I am good with it, Protected Fans from elements, Likely the right TGT size for the Market. What is going to be my PSL cost, I will mail it in Agreed. I wanted it downtown, but oh well. Once this thing is starting to get built, most people will get more excited about it. Just make sure its nice and it at least comes close to justifying its price tag. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, unbillievable said: Superbowl venue for 2028 Never happen. It would be the smallest Super Bowl of all time. WNY doesn't have the infrastructure for the game, not enough hotel rooms, bars, restaurants, etc, airport couldn't t even park all the planes. And lets not even mention the weather possibility. Edited August 31, 2021 by RoyBatty is alive 3 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 I think this sounds great! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 60,000 is light, boost it to 65,000 which is still 7k less. The season ticket holder amount is at 56k, your killing any chance for fans and you might lose STH 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmart128 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 60k seats. Wouldnt that be the smallest stadium in the NFL. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 1 minute ago, RoyBatty is alive said: Never happen. Not at all and it has more to do with logistics than the usual cold-weather weather excuse (though that probably does effect things too) The biggest issue is that the Orchard Park/Buffalo area probably couldn’t handle the amount of Super Bowl visitors. Even, if they could the accommodations wouldn’t be very good. Buffalo is not meant to host an event like the Super Bowl in any way 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, corta765 said: 60,000 is light, boost it to 65,000 which is still 7k less. The season ticket holder amount is at 56k, your killing any chance for fans and you might lose STH 60,000 is probably just an early estimate, who knows what it will end up being. Chicago, Miami, and New England**** all have capacities in the 60-65,000 range. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Just now, Kmart128 said: 60k seats. Wouldnt that be the smallest stadium in the NFL. by 1500 by 8k off the NEWEST stadium in Las Vegas (a much bigger market). NFL Stadiums are trending to smaller 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, elijah said: 60,000 seems a bit short no? Weren’t season tickets themselves 60k+ over the past 2 years? It does seem low but I guess when you factor in the price of tickets will go up plus PSL fees it will price some fans out. Living here in NJ both the Jets and Giants are advertising season ticket sales and individual tickets as well for MetLife. At Giants Stadium both teams had 78,000 season ticket holders as well as a waiting list for season tickets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 28 minutes ago, Utah John said: Who's got the cash to fill up those 60 suites? I realize that's a big source of money for other teams but will that work in Buffalo? M&T Bank, Independent Health, Highmark BCBS, Moog, and… Mighty Taco. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Just now, Rubes said: 60,000 is probably just an early estimate, who knows what it will end up being. Chicago, Miami, and New England**** all have capacities in the 60-65,000 range. Agreed. Just saying 63-65 seems like the perfect number 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloFan68 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 I thought a big part of getting a new stadium was so that we might some day host a SB but it would have to be a domed stadium because there is no way they would ever have a SB in an uncovered stadium in Feb in Buffalo. Guess, the whole SB thing is out the window. Go Bills!!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Ouch Buehler getting called out LMAO 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 6 minutes ago, elijah said: 60,000 seems a bit short no? Weren’t season tickets themselves 60k+ over the past 2 years? Makes sense imo, that number was carefully planned out. You always would prefer the tickets to be "hard to get" and the ticket prices to help pay for it will increasae and hence lower demand. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, corta765 said: Agreed. Just saying 63-65 seems like the perfect number Seems by reading about it, the Pegulas had a Number of 1.4B. That was the cap (dont know if that was already somewhat agreed to with the county and state) but Cut seats to get into that 1.4B range. So it seems there is more going on obviously than is leaked in Media. This could be a leak as well, saying ok we can get into the 1.4B range, but that is a 60K stadium. Want a bigger one be willing to put in more NYS and Erie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsSbSoon Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 60k just seems too small for us which is ironic cause were a small market. At least meet somewhere in the middle and get it to 65 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBillsOrDie Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 35 minutes ago, Utah John said: Who's got the cash to fill up those 60 suites? I realize that's a big source of money for other teams but will that work in Buffalo? Just when I think there is no money around, I see another 2 million dollar house being built Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akcash Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 12 minutes ago, JohnNord said: Not at all and it has more to do with logistics than the usual cold-weather weather excuse (though that probably does effect things too) The biggest issue is that the Orchard Park/Buffalo area probably couldn’t handle the amount of Super Bowl visitors. Even, if they could the accommodations wouldn’t be very good. Buffalo is not meant to host an event like the Super Bowl in any way Have to have around 70k capacity too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 What is interesting is the Timing. 3 to 4 years from when the lease is up and when this stadium would be ready. Where would they be playing for that lag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 That’s smaller than the current stadium seating wise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 32 minutes ago, aristocrat said: How many suites does the stadium have right now? 121 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: What is interesting is the Timing. 3 to 4 years from when the lease is up and when this stadium would be ready. Where would they be playing for that lag. Seems they will add a few years to the current lease. The lease dollars could help maybe with some of the public financing. Maybe? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, BillsSbSoon said: 60k just seems too small for us which is ironic cause were a small market. At least meet somewhere in the middle and get it to 65 The smaller the stadium the more likely they can charge Personal Seat License as it will be an easier to make people buy it with limited seating. Edited August 31, 2021 by The Jokeman 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 45 minutes ago, Utah John said: Who's got the cash to fill up those 60 suites? I realize that's a big source of money for other teams but will that work in Buffalo? It will work out just fine. Not everyone collects Welfare in WNY and Southern Ontario. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paup 1995MVP Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 25 minutes ago, elijah said: 60,000 seems a bit short no? Weren’t season tickets themselves 60k+ over the past 2 years? Wasn't Rich Stadium's capacity 80,300 or so back in the day? We should be able to sell out 70,000 every week in the modern day. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthomas Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 26 minutes ago, elijah said: 60,000 seems a bit short no? Weren’t season tickets themselves 60k+ over the past 2 years? yeah i dont want to pay for a 60k seat stadium. Plus we already sell it out quick. We sold it out when we had 80k. If we're gonna build a new stadium, lets put in more seats imo 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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