unbillievable Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 We also have to consider that they just spent 20 million on a new training facility; that they probably don't want to abandon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 $1.4 billion for a 60k seat open air stadium? That sounds like too much money. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 1 hour ago, Utah John said: Who's got the cash to fill up those 60 suites? I realize that's a big source of money for other teams but will that work in Buffalo? Me and my crew needed somewhere new to sit... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, Bangarang said: $1.4 billion for a 60k seat open air stadium? That sounds like too much money. Welcome to Covid where building material prices are higher than they've been in years toss in new minimum wage in NY State etc. etc. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 57 minutes ago, unbillievable said: Superbowl venue for 2028 requires minimum 70K seats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 46 minutes ago, BuffaloFan68 said: I thought a big part of getting a new stadium was so that we might some day host a SB but it would have to be a domed stadium because there is no way they would ever have a SB in an uncovered stadium in Feb in Buffalo. Guess, the whole SB thing is out the window. Go Bills!!!!! It never was in the window Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 8 minutes ago, unbillievable said: We also have to consider that they just spent 20 million on a new training facility; that they probably don't want to abandon. No need to. Train in suburbs, play downtown. Most teams do that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 8 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: And that Cost is 1.9B without the infrastructure requirements. So 1.4B in Orchard Park - Lesser impact on Public Money 1.9B plus in Downtown - Increased impact on Public money I hear you Major. One thing confusing about the article is this. Did you read as the initial 1.6B for the stadium in OP going down to 1.4B and then commenting about 1.9B for downtown as 300M more to build the current proposal OR 500M more to build downtown? The only thing about that is IF the infrastructure money can be secured with a lot of $s from the Federal Infrastructure Bill just passed, well the downtown looks a lot better. Just bringing this up because it seems all politics, politics, politics right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEC Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Quote At issue is how quickly a deal can be approved, and how the construction costs would be split between the team and taxpayers. The Bills have already said team owners Terry and Kim Pegula are committed to sharing part of the cost, but have not identified how much. The expectation is the state and county will be asked to cover more than 50% of the project, raising concerns about the potential for taxpayer funding. ^^This is the important part, $700 Million minimum from taxpayers. Let's see if the stadium scam wheel keeps spinning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florida Bills Fanatic Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Bills sold out even when the team stunk. It's about driving up demand, increasing seat prices, and selling seat licenses. Gotta pay for everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Buffalo was never going to get a SuperBowl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: I hear you Major. One thing confusing about the article is this. Did you read as the initial 1.6B for the stadium in OP going down to 1.4B and then commenting about 1.9B for downtown as 300M more to build the current proposal OR 500M more to build downtown? The only thing about that is IF the infrastructure money can be secured with a lot of $s from the Federal Infrastructure Bill just passed, well the downtown looks a lot better. Just bringing this up because it seems all politics, politics, politics right now. Yeah I did I think that initial 1.6B was at the 70K seat mark, because they mentioned cut seats to get into 1.4B. I do still think they are trying to release enough leverage out there to get the stadium down town, and why we are still talking 2027. But cannot commit at ALL without infrastructure being addressed first. Saying we are committed to DT without guarantees on infrastructure is a failure from jump. We are talking about lets say 50% public money on the stadium, That is almost 1B downtown and then what another 500M-1B in public money for infrastructure. That is essentially untenable in this market. Edited August 31, 2021 by MAJBobby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF Bills Fan Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 57 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Like 120. But a lot are small. I'm assuming the 60 they are talking about are large high luxury suites. Without more details we are all guessing. Yep- there are a lot of suites, but some of them are those dugout suites etc. The main suites in the current stadium are very small and I am sure they don't have the amenities that you get in the new stadiums. If you are going to attract corporate fat cats from the area and Toronto you need real luxury suites. The bonus is that the team keeps all the revenue from those. I know Dallas has 400 suites and some go for 6 figures a game. That is a different business climate though. One idea that I think would be great is to put some suites down at field level and a club/bar near the ramp so people can watch the players run out to the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: Yeah I did I think that initial 1.6B was at the 70K seat mark, because they mentioned cut seats to get into 1.4B. I do still think they are trying to release enough leverage out there to get the stadium down town, and why we are still talking 2027. But cannot commit at ALL without infrastructure being addressed first. Saying we are committed to DT without guarantees on infrastructure is a failure from jump. I totally agree. It's just interesting to watch this start to unfold. I do tend to believe that fans/taxpayers/voter are sometimes manipulated to get what others want in the first place. Where things "start" and where they "finish" is always interesting to me. LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyal2dagame Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 I was expecting and still hold hope for 65k seats 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Florida Bills Fanatic said: Bills sold out even when the team stunk. It's about driving up demand, increasing seat prices, and selling seat licenses. Gotta pay for everything. Lol, maybe the opener but not the entire season. Lots of empty seats in those lean years. I hope they incorporate some open "fan club" sections where people can eat, drink, mill about while watching the game. That's a new thing you see in baseball parks. Edited August 31, 2021 by PromoTheRobot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, SF Bills Fan said: Yep- there are a lot of suites, but some of them are those dugout suites etc. The main suites in the current stadium are very small and I am sure they don't have the amenities that you get in the new stadiums. If you are going to attract corporate fat cats from the area and Toronto you need real luxury suites. The bonus is that the team keeps all the revenue from those. I know Dallas has 400 suites and some go for 6 figures a game. That is a different business climate though. One idea that I think would be great is to put some suites down at field level and a club/bar near the ramp so people can watch the players run out to the field. I couldn't agree with you more. It is the main reason for a new stadium wanted by the NFL in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Just now, ColoradoBills said: I totally agree. It's just interesting to watch this start to unfold. I do tend to believe that fans/taxpayers/voter are sometimes manipulated to get what others want in the first place. Where things "start" and where they "finish" is always interesting to me. LOL. Agree just look at this thread. No No we dont want another open air in OP. Why isnt there a roof in DT, Why are we only getting 60K.. Soon that 65K seat DT with a roof at the cost of 1.9B looks better. Add thte 500M-1B in infrastructure upgrades, and you are getting a voting public on board with a 1B dollar plus public layout for the stadium. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 How do these PSL’s work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Agree just look at this thread. No No we dont want another open air in OP. Why isnt there a roof in DT, Why are we only getting 60K.. Soon that 65K seat DT with a roof at the cost of 1.9B looks better. Add thte 500M-1B in infrastructure upgrades, and you are getting a voting public on board with a 1B dollar plus public layout for the stadium. Definitely not saying this WILL happen the way we just said but it seems it COULD head that way and fans/taxpayers seem to "get a deal". What if all of sudden the Perry Projects are sold to this endeavor for $1 like Palidino wanted. All speculation on my part but 2027 is a long way away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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