Levi locking down CB2?

[YoloinOhio]

 

[billsbackto81]

Sigh😢

 

Maybe they can get Sherman on a vet minimum😝

[DJB]

13 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said:

Sigh😢

 

Maybe they can get Sherman on a vet minimum😝

 

After his outburst I highly doubt we would welcome him here. 

[Punching Bag]

I do not think Richard Sherman's head will be in NFL with at least 2 indictments under review in court and police looking at evidence on a third with more court appointments coming up.

 

His best bet is to stay in shape, out of further trouble and sign for a team which loses a starter once issues are at least "waiting for court" state.

[EmotionallyUnstable]

No surprises here. 
 

Based on last years time split, the lack of serious attention to CB in the draft/free agency, and the focus on improving up front, I truly think they believe their scheme is going to get the job done. 
 

you can’t have all-pro players at every position, and I think Levi, while likely to still concede snacks to Jackson, will be serviceable. 
 

let’s just put it this way, if we lose the super bowl, AFC title game, or even any playoff game, I don’t think it’ll be because Levi Wallace was still CB2

[StHustle]

Who cares Sherman got drunk and acted a fool. He didn't physically hurt not one human being and not even any one lies car. Odds of anything close happening again in the last few seasons of his career are slim to none. 

 

His intensity and leadership are something I believe our defense can benefit immensely from. Kinda like the Jish Norman pick up on steroids. He's a guy who will be much more of a solid player than a liability on the field and undoubtedly provide a few flash/splash plays this season.

 

Sign me up!

[TPS]

I think an improved pass rush will make Levi look a lot better...

[BADOLBILZ]

24 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

 

I suspect the Bills will be in the market for competition to add to that group yet this preseason via trade or UFA.

 

Jackson looked dynamic at times last year but his injury history alone made it a gamble to bank on him.

 

DT, OT and PR/KR may possibly be upgraded via trade or signing as well.

 

 The 3rd string at those positions don't seem near competing for snaps with the reserves............and the reserves aren't exactly standing out.

[Rc2catch]

I agree with above. A decent pass rush will have Edmunds and our corners looking phenomenal. Those guys can cover for 3-4 seconds, after that most players will get exposed 

[Victory Formation]

Levi Wallace cannot die. Seems that no matter who we bring in, he beats them out. He’s an underrated corner and not a liability in any way.

[BADOLBILZ]

4 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Yea, corner is a super thin position for them…. Strange considering it’s a passing league with the top AFC opponents are all loaded at WR/TE.

 

 

Be nice if they came out of the preseason with some upside potential and years of control in the reserve groups that have been underwhelming.

 

 

[JoPoy88]

42 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

not surprised. Every year they throw people at him to take his job and he beats them out. Levi is a baller.

[EmotionallyUnstable]

16 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Regular season they’ll be fine, but come playoff time I suspect it will become a bit of an issue against the top teams…. Especially if the pass rush is nullified by a strong offensive line.

I see you point. But that’s where McD and Frazier earn their keep. As much as we focus on the player v player match-up, I don’t think it’s stressed enough how imperative it is that the game plan, play calling and personnel decisions put players in a position to do what they do best. 

Edited August 8, 2021 by EmotionallyUnstable

[GunnerBill]

Personally I never had this as an even competition. Dane was always a long shot. A 2nd year player taken in the 7th round with fewer than 200 NFL snaps to his name was going to have to pull a major upset to beat out a guy like Levi who has been a starter for 2 and a half years, who knows the system and has the coaches trust. 

 

I still expect them to add a vet corner to the mix too at some point before the season either in a trade or post cutdowns. Dane as the senior backup outside corner still feels like an unnecessary risk to me unless he is smashing it in camp (which it sounds like he is not). 

[TailgateChef]

8 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

Personally I never had this as an even competition. Dane was always a long shot. A 2nd year player taken in the 7th round with fewer than 200 NFL snaps to his name was going to have to pull a major upset to beat out a guy like Levi who has been a starter for 2 and a half years, who knows the system and has the coaches trust. 

 

I still expect them to add a vet corner to the mix too at some point before the season either in a trade or post cutdowns. Dane as the senior backup outside corner still feels like an unnecessary risk to me unless he is smashing it in camp (which it sounds like he is not). 

Don't give up on Dane yet.  Remember, the aforementioned Josh Norman, who had very similar combine numbers to Dane, in his sophomore season was the 3rd corner for the 2013 Panthers before messing up on a key play later in that season and getting benched by Rivera till the next training camp.  It wasn't until his 3rd season that things really started to click.  If Dane continues to do his homework and bust his tail in practice, absorbing everything he can from one of the best in the biz in White, he may pan out yet.

[Bad Things]

Rooting for you Levi!

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, TailgateChef said:

Don't give up on Dane yet.  Remember, the aforementioned Josh Norman, who had very similar combine numbers to Dane, in his sophomore season was the 3rd corner for the 2013 Panthers before messing up on a key play later in that season and getting benched by Rivera till the next training camp.  It wasn't until his 3rd season that things really started to click.  If Dane continues to do his homework and bust his tail in practice, absorbing everything he can from one of the best in the biz in White, he may pan out yet.

 

I wasn't suggesting I was giving up on him. I was suggesting he was always a long shot to win the job from Levi this summer and the Bills might wanna have an insurance policy vet around. If Tre went down tomorrow our starting corner situation is a serious concern.

[Malazan]

They keep bringing in guys to compete with Levi and they keep choosing Levi. The best bet for them to 'improve' CB2 was getting a pass rush. 

[TailgateChef]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I wasn't suggesting I was giving up on him. I was suggesting he was always a long shot to win the job from Levi this summer and the Bills might wanna have an insurance policy vet around. If Tre went down tomorrow our starting corner situation is a serious concern.

On that we're agreed.

[Putin]

1 hour ago, JoPoy88 said:

not surprised. Every year they throw people at him to take his job and he beats them out. Levi is a baller.

Maybe if they  actually bring some good competition at CB2 and Levi beats them out will call him a baller 

[NoHuddleKelly12]

Say what you will, CB 2 was never a glaring weakness on this team since Levi’s been here, imho. 

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

The guys been good since the literal first day he got a look. I don’t understand why people are always trying to replace him. He’s good. It’s been good. He’s a rare undrafted gem that stepped in and severely outplayed his expectations. Just appreciate it.

Edited August 8, 2021 by Brianmoorman4jesus

[JoPoy88]

32 minutes ago, Putin said:

Maybe if they  actually bring some good competition at CB2 and Levi beats them out will call him a baller 

well who’s out there? They’ve drafted cbs they’ve brought in free agent cbs. Levi has faced both vet and rookie competition and beat them all out. Keep saying he sucks tho.

[ganesh]

3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

I think they will still sign a Vet like Norman last year.

[Green Lightning]

7 minutes ago, ganesh said:

I think they will still sign a Vet like Norman last year.

I think we are far too thin at CB. But let's see what Dane and Wildgoose can do in preseason action.

[SCBills]

Secondary is definitely confusing from a fan perspective. 
 

Safeties Hyde/Poyer, with CB1 White and Nickel Corner Johnson is up there with any other top secondary in the league. 
 

After that, we have Neal, who the staff seems to like a lot and then a serviceable CB2 in Wallace, followed by a bunch of young late round picks.  
 

It does seem to feel like the staff believes our DL will be much improved.  Heaven knows they’ve thrown enough assets at it.  
 

As pointed out earlier, that would cover up any weak spots in the secondary.   
 

Edited August 8, 2021 by SCBills

[NoSaint]

3 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Regular season they’ll be fine, but come playoff time I suspect it will become a bit of an issue against the top teams…. Especially if the pass rush is nullified by a strong offensive line.

that, and also injuries along the way

2 hours ago, jeremy2020 said:

They keep bringing in guys to compete with Levi and they keep choosing Levi. The best bet for them to 'improve' CB2 was getting a pass rush. 

some may argue that guys to compete with him isn’t the right tier to target for a starting 2.

 

last year I beat the “add a pass rusher” drum. This year I suspect that’s still relevant but with all the investment in the line that the get a cb2 drum is what I’ll be beating as the spot I hope we don’t regret come January  

[ganesh]

The Bills should consider bringing back Norman or E.J. Gaines.  They know the system and can play in the league.  The current depth is quite scary.   Beane should have really addressed the CB position in the draft or FA

[Putin]

1 hour ago, JoPoy88 said:

well who’s out there? They’ve drafted cbs they’ve brought in free agent cbs. Levi has faced both vet and rookie competition and beat them all out. Keep saying he sucks tho.

I didn’t say he sucks , but a washed up Norman and a 7th round pick is not what I would call serious competition 

[NewEra]

3 hours ago, Victory Formation said:

Levi Wallace cannot die. Seems that no matter who we bring in, he beats them out. He’s an underrated corner and not a liability in any way.

We haven’t brought in anyone that would qualify as a legit cb2.  

2 hours ago, jeremy2020 said:

They keep bringing in guys to compete with Levi and they keep choosing Levi. The best bet for them to 'improve' CB2 was getting a pass rush. 

Who have their brought in?  Kevin Johnson, Norman, gaines (who opted out and was cut), Dane and Wildgoose?  Pitts?  Cam Lewis?  Each one is a depth player at best.  
 

I agree that they planned on improving cb2 by improving the pass rush…..let’s just hope he has improved in man coverage 

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, JoPoy88 said:

well who’s out there? They’ve drafted cbs they’ve brought in free agent cbs. Levi has faced both vet and rookie competition and beat them all out. Keep saying he sucks tho.

With all due respect…..the players that we’ve been bringing and he’s been beating out in aren’t even in the league anymore…..Dane and Wildgoose a 7th and 6th rd pick.  

[machine gun kelly]

What Thad wrote, I heard the exact same all week in Sal’s morning spots with H&J show on WGR.  Levi has played very well and Dane has been inconsistent.  I was hoping for a better camp and got lucky on a 7th rounder, but I guess he’ll just be depth.

 

Its not Madden so you can’t have stars everywhere.  Wallace is not as bad as some make him out to be.  He just gets thrown a lot as OV’s want to stay away from White.  The real opportunity is just moving White around a lot.

[MJS]

Well, I'm a fan of Levi Wallace, but I don't think he is ideal as a #2 corner. As a #3 or reserve corner he'd be great. He's the type of guy every team wants as depth, but I sure hope we get a better #2 option sometime in the future.

[Putin]

8 minutes ago, MJS said:

Well, I'm a fan of Levi Wallace, but I don't think he is ideal as a #2 corner. As a #3 or reserve corner he'd be great. He's the type of guy every team wants as depth, but I sure hope we get a better #2 option sometime in the future.

The future is now 

[MJS]

1 minute ago, Putin said:

The future is now 

Well, it's not, because Wallace is still the #2.

[LeviF]

Pay me mfs 

[Richard Noggin]

3 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

The guys been good since the literal first day he got a look. I don’t understand why people are always trying to replace him. He’s good. It’s been good. He’s a rare undrafted gem that stepped in and severely outplayed his expectations. Just appreciate it.

Because Beane's literal JOB is to assemble the best possible roster/team he can, each season. Levi Wallace is not the BEST POSSIBLE CB2 in the NFL for this scheme (although of course he IS a serviceable starter there, as we've seen). Basically, Levi Wallace is NOT yet good enough to lock up long term and present as a definitive pair with Tre White. But until the Bills decide to allocate more draft/FA resources to the position (or get luckier with late-round guys and/or under-the-radar vet pickups), Levi Wallace is likely good enough to keep himself near the top of the depth chart. He LIVES McDermott's process. I love his mindset.

 

It's even possible that some other team makes him a multiple-year offer after this season, when the cap jumps and he's likely logged another solid but unspectacular campaign on a visible Bills secondary unit. Heck, maybe Levi makes a bunch of plays and EARNS a real payday. Who knows?

[JoPoy88]

4 hours ago, NewEra said:

With all due respect…..the players that we’ve been bringing and he’s been beating out in aren’t even in the league anymore…..Dane and Wildgoose a 7th and 6th rd pick.  

yes i agree with that. Levi is not beating back all pros. He’s fighting off the guys getting in there to take his job; what more do you want from the guy. He’s not that bad btw for a 2nd corner some of yall think Beane is just going to pluck another tre white out his whatever. Doesn’t work like that.

[MJS]

5 hours ago, NewEra said:

With all due respect…..the players that we’ve been bringing and he’s been beating out in aren’t even in the league anymore…..Dane and Wildgoose a 7th and 6th rd pick.  

That's mostly true. They did bring in highly recognizable names for the position, including Vontae Davis and Josh Norman. They brought in the highly drafted Kevin Johnson to compete, a former first rounder.

 

So they have been trying, but clearly not investing big money or draft picks to the position. But to me, it's notable that they keep trying and they don't seem sold on Wallace. Wallace was likely moving on from the team, if it wasn't for the reduced cap. The Bills brought him back late on a 1 year deal. Unless he kills it this year I expect the Bills to let him walk.

 

The Bills have been talking with their money and actions. They haven't invested a lot of money in the position, but they also haven't wanted to invest money in Wallace either. I'm pretty certain they want an upgrade, but haven't felt the need to put real assets toward it yet.

[JoPoy88]

5 hours ago, NewEra said:

With all due respect…..the players that we’ve been bringing and he’s been beating out in aren’t even in the league anymore…..Dane and Wildgoose a 7th and 6th rd pick.  

and levi was an undrafted free agent. What’s your point