How many people don't like Allen's new deal?

[gjv]

I like the deal. Perhaps we could get Josh to finance 20% of the new stadium.

[chris heff]

3 hours ago, WhoTom said:

Jets, Fins, and Pats* fans hate it.

Bills fans should be thrilled with it.

 

Beat me to it.

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

3 hours ago, mjd1001 said:

Not exactly.

Personally I am fine with it, because I think he isn't the highest paid guy in the league, and he is likely to be passed by a few more guys by the time the deal is done, and I like him as a QB.

 

However, I can see people out there thinking "he did it only for one year" or " there is a chance this could be a Wentz/Goff type situation" and I still here a few people (not many, but a few) thinking his success is a result of a perfect storm of the right coach and right surrounding cast.  I just thought a poll would be good to see where everyone lands on there, some people may not think it is a good deal and don't want to make a direct post about it because they don't want to be attacked by the vast majority of us who do think it is a good deal.

Look at this offense and you can tell that Josh Allen is the main reason it’s so good. With Goff, you could see that the guy was just going through his reads and doing exactly what the coaches brainwashed him to do. Josh Allen is so similar to Brett Favre (screw the Big Ben comparisons) in ways because a lot of times he improvises and adapts. I think he would’ve been successful wherever he went even the Jets. 

Edited August 7, 2021 by ChronicAndKnuckles

[Fingon]

There will be some pretty severe consequences unless Allen renegotiates in a couple years. The Bills will shift from a team that can get good players in free agency and re-sign their own, to one that can't afford good players on a 2nd contract. We will become a team that relies on their 3rd round pick to outplay their contract.

 

There is a reason the top paid QBs don't win Super Bowls, and teams with QBs on rookie/below market value deals do.

[BuffaloBills1998]

3 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Meanwhile……Mason Rudolph is battling Dwayne Haskins and Josh Dobbs for a roster spot.  

 

**** Mason Rudolph!!  I’ll hate him for all the nightmares he caused me before the 2018 draft. 

How did he cause you nightmares?? 

3 minutes ago, Fingon said:

There will be some pretty severe consequences unless Allen renegotiates in a couple years. The Bills will shift from a team that can get good players in free agency and re-sign their own, to one that can't afford good players on a 2nd contract. We will become a team that relies on their 3rd round pick to outplay their contract.

 

There is a reason the top paid QBs don't win Super Bowls, and teams with QBs on rookie/below market value deals do.

https://billswire.usatoday.com/2021/06/20/josh-allen-structure-contract-extension-buffalo-bills-brandon-beane/amp/

[NewEra]

2 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

How did he cause you nightmares?? 

https://billswire.usatoday.com/2021/06/20/josh-allen-structure-contract-extension-buffalo-bills-brandon-beane/amp/

The thought of Mason Rudolph being the Bills QB……should’ve caused everyone nightmares.  He was being projected as a possible target prior to us trading up.  I had him rated as the 2nd worst player on earth. 2nd only to peterman after I was lucky enough to attend the charger game in 2017

[Mike in Horseheads]

2 hours ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

Hate it...it should've been 12 years

So are you "the 1" lol

[Sherlock Holmes]

4 minutes ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

So are you "the 1" lol

I'm always the 1 

 

No I didn't vote, but I am ecstatic because we signed the future GOAT to a nice contract extension... I just wanted a 12 year contract because his price is going to skyrocket after we win the Super Bowl every year.

[ProcessAccepted]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

yeah, it’ll be a bargain if he gets better.  If he plays like he did in the AFCCG, it’ll be a debacle

What's the AFCCG? Is getting to that a big deal or do they let anyone in?

[NewEra]

3 minutes ago, ProcessAccepted said:

What's the AFCCG? Is getting to that a big deal or do they let anyone in?

Dunno if this is sarcasm or not, but I’ll reply in kind.  AFCCG = american football conference championship game.  It was the game that ended our season last year.  Edmunds play (along with the entire D, OL, WRs and coaching game plan) in that game was abysmal 

[GoBills808]

Should have been more, he gave us a break

[Peter]

1) I am ecstatic that Josh and the Bills extended the contract;

 

2) There always is a risk, but Josh does not strike me as a guy who is going to be affected by the money or rest on his laurels; no matter what happens, I am confident Josh will continue to work hard;

 

3) I have not done the cap analysis. I was concerned about a Joe Flacco situation (or Wentz situation).  When Flacco got every last dollar out of the Ravens, the Ravens could not afford to keep other players etc.  I presume that the Bills anticipate that, regardless of the huge amount of the contract, the salary cap will be going up substantially and we will not be hamstrung by the amount of the contract - especially given that it is my understanding that the structure of the deal in the next couple of years is "team friendly" and there is cap flexibility down the road.

 

Well done Bills!

 

Well done Josh!

[Rochesterfan]

9 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Dunno if this is sarcasm or not, but I’ll reply in kind.  AFCCG = american football conference championship game.  It was the game that ended our season last year.  Edmunds play (along with the entire D, OL, WRs and coaching game plan) in that game was abysmal 

 

So if Josh plays the way he did in the AFCCG this new contract is a debacle?

 

Josh struggled a bit, but I wouldn’t categorize his play as so bad that the Bills should not have given him this extension.  The comment makes no sense to me.

[skibum]

It was either this contract or start over again in two years. $43 bucks a year is the price of an elite QB, like it or not.

 

While Josh Allen may very well be the kind of guy who would rather make $10M per and have more money in the till for signing better teammates, the NFLPA and a lot of talent agents would explode if that kind of thing happened. Guys pretty much have to sign for their market value, or very close. 

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

So if Josh plays the way he did in the AFCCG this new contract is a debacle?

 

Josh struggled a bit, but I wouldn’t categorize his play as so bad that the Bills should not have given him this extension.  The comment makes no sense to me.

you’re comparing apples to oranges.  Edmunds has never played at the level that Allen played at for basically the entire 2021 season.  In edmunds’ best season, he was barely even a fraction of the player allen was last season.  Not to mention that the OL in the AFCCG played its worst game of the year and was the main reason why Allen played like he did.  
 

To further explore the question…..if Josh Allen played the rest of his career like he did in the AFCCG……,then yes……his contract would absolutely be a debacle. 
 

do you think allens contract would be a debacle if he always played like he did in the AFCCG?  Simple answer. Yes, it would be a debacle.   Luckily for us, that’s very unlikely to happen.  
 

In the years that I’ve noticed you on this board, I can’t remember a time that you were on board with anything that I’ve said.  Nothing but negative. 

[Rochesterfan]

19 minutes ago, NewEra said:

you’re comparing apples to oranges.  Edmunds has never played at the level that Allen played at for basically the entire 2021 season.  In edmunds’ best season, he was barely even a fraction of the player allen was last season.  Not to mention that the OL in the AFCCG played its worst game of the year and was the main reason why Allen played like he did.  
 

To further explore the question…..if Josh Allen played the rest of his career like he did in the AFCCG……,then yes……his contract would absolutely be a debacle. 
 

do you think allens contract would be a debacle if he always played like he did in the AFCCG?  Simple answer. Yes, it would be a debacle.   Luckily for us, that’s very unlikely to happen.  
 

In the years that I’ve noticed you on this board, I can’t remember a time that you were on board with anything that I’ve said.  Nothing but negative. 

 

Not a negative - I am trying to understand.  This is a thread about Allen and his contract and was it worth it.

 

Your statement was if he played the way he played in the AFCCG then the contact is a debacle.  
 

No where do you mention Edmunds - so are you talking Edmunds or are you talking about Allen?

 

The guy asks you about the AFCCG and there you dance around and say something about Edmunds- so my question is are you talking about an unknown Edmunds contract or are you talking about the Allen contract being a debacle?

 

I am guessing based upon your response you are talking about an Edmunds contract - which is not what was being talked about here and since your original post does not mention a name - we would all assume you are saying the Allen signing will be a debacle if he plays the way he did in the AFCCG.

 

You are literally quoting a guy that quoted you talking about Josh’s contract.  He said it would be a bargain and you literally said “it would be a bargain if he improves”. Then you say if he plays the way he did in the AFCCG it would be a debacle - all relating to Josh’s contract.

 

I think you might have just gotten confused which thread you were in.

Edited August 7, 2021 by Rochesterfan

[HOUSE]

3 hours ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

You should of made this public - so we can all see which non-fan voted No.

 

Crazy.

 

The guys nuts, grab em

[NewEra]

7 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

Not a negative - I am trying to understand.  This is a thread about Allen and his contract and was it worth it.

 

Your statement was if he played the way he played in the AFCCG then the contact is a debacle.  
 

No where do you mention Edmunds - so are you talking Edmunds or are you talking about Allen?

 

The guy asks you about the AFCCG and there you dance around and say something about Edmunds- so my question is are you talking about an unknown Edmunds contract or are you talking about the Allen contract being a debacle?

 

I am guessing based upon your response you are talking about an Edmunds contract - which is not what was being talked about here and since your original post does not mention a name - we would all assume you are saying the Allen signing will be a debacle if he plays the way he did in the AFCCG.

 

You are literally quoting a guy that quoted you talking about Josh’s contract.  He said it would be a bargain and you literally said “it would be a bargain if he improves”. Then you say if he plays the way he did in the AFCCG it would be a debacle - all relating to Josh’s contract.

 

I think you might have just gotten confused which thread you were in.

My fault.  Involved in too many allen contract threads.  I thought Big Turk was responding to a post of mine that was talking about Edmunds, hence my response was with regards to Edmunds. My bad

[Ya Digg?]

2 hours ago, Fingon said:

There will be some pretty severe consequences unless Allen renegotiates in a couple years. The Bills will shift from a team that can get good players in free agency and re-sign their own, to one that can't afford good players on a 2nd contract. We will become a team that relies on their 3rd round pick to outplay their contract.

 

There is a reason the top paid QBs don't win Super Bowls, and teams with QBs on rookie/below market value deals do.

I know! I think Josh should’ve taken even LESS money than his rookie contract! I just hate it when teams pay their good players a decent and fair salary and actually make the front office and coaches earn their money!!! 🤬🤬🤬

 

See how ridiculous this sounds?? 

[BruceVilanch]

4 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

What’s not to like?

Is that really you, Scott? Are you trying to signal you're in trouble?

[Peace Frog]

2 hours ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

So if Josh plays the way he did in the AFCCG this new contract is a debacle?

 

Josh struggled a bit, but I wouldn’t categorize his play as so bad that the Bills should not have given him this extension.  The comment makes no sense to me.

Agreed.  Not to make excuses for Josh, but our receivers were banged up before the game (Diggs-oblique, Beasley-broken fibula, Davis-ankle), were getting absolutely mugged during the game, and Josh was harassed most of the game because of the O-line's subpar pass protection, especially against DT Chris Jones.

[Rochesterfan]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

My fault.  Involved in too many allen contract threads.  I thought Big Turk was responding to a post of mine that was talking about Edmunds, hence my response was with regards to Edmunds. My bad

 

No problem - after your next response to me - that made sense.

 

I know we don’t agree much, but I do respect what you bring to the board.  That was why the response made no sense to me.

[machine gun kelly]

Enjoy this debate.  How anyone who REALLY is a Bills fan can think getting you’re generational franchise QB since 1996 is somehow bad we’ll, have fun.

 

Im so proud of this team, it’s leadership and sounds so much like someone is trying to crap on our parade.

[DCbillsfan]

7 hours ago, mjd1001 said:

I have a few Pats fans still as friends (I lived quite a few years near Boston) and already got 2 text from them....they are trying to justify among themselves how this is a terrible deal for the Bills, that they overpaid for a QB that will be the 2nd or 3rd best in the division 2 years from now..etc, etc.

Man, the drug problem up in Boston is worse than I thought.  Somebody get them some help.

[Augie]

4 hours ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

I'm always the 1 

 

No I didn't vote, but I am ecstatic because we signed the future GOAT to a nice contract extension... I just wanted a 12 year contract because his price is going to skyrocket after we win the Super Bowl every year.

 

Maybe he can make up the difference by getting DOUBLE the Rodgers rate for doing State Farm commercials after he wins all those Super Bowl MVP awards he’s going to pile up?  

 

EDIT: We are now up to three “hate it” votes. I sure wish we could see who they are. Not to jump on them, but if they are not fans of AFCE opponents I’d like to hear the argument. I’m glad we did it now, the price will only go up. 

Edited August 7, 2021 by Augie

[Augie]

17 minutes ago, NJKBillsfan said:

I don't like it.

 

Why give a QB a massive deal after only one good season?

 

How do we know it wasn't a fluke? 

 

Thanks for the honest response. I’d say we have a history of THREE consecutive years where he has improved every year. He’s not a Dareus kind of guy who got his big pay day and seemingly lost his drive. I think Josh is the opposite and my hope is he doesn’t try to do TOO MUCH to earn it. 

 

If we had waited, the price was only going to go up. It’s expensive, but cheaper to do now than to wait. 

 

 

.

Edited August 7, 2021 by Augie

[CaptnCoke11]

8 hours ago, mjd1001 said:

Not exactly.

Personally I am fine with it, because I think he isn't the highest paid guy in the league, and he is likely to be passed by a few more guys by the time the deal is done, and I like him as a QB.

 

However, I can see people out there thinking "he did it only for one year" or " there is a chance this could be a Wentz/Goff type situation" and I still here a few people (not many, but a few) thinking his success is a result of a perfect storm of the right coach and right surrounding cast.  I just thought a poll would be good to see where everyone lands on there, some people may not think it is a good deal and don't want to make a direct post about it because they don't want to be attacked by the vast majority of us who do think it is a good deal.

He got better every year.. people that say he only did it for one year don’t have a clue what they are talking about.  He got paid for what he did and what he’s projected to do in the future 

[unbillievable]

If you include 2yrs of his remaining rookie contract, Allen is making 35.6mil/year for 8yrs.

 

...in Contrast Mahomes is averaging 43.4mil/year and Dak is at 40mil/year for the length of their deals.

 

 

 

 

15 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said:

He got better every year.. people that say he only did it for one year don’t have a clue what they are talking about.  He got paid for what he did and what he’s projected to do in the future 

 

Allen has gotten better every year for the last 10 years, going back to his high school days.

Edited August 7, 2021 by unbillievable

[NoHuddleKelly12]

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[unbillievable]

 

 

Allen's cap number balloons to 50mil in 2025 which would be 20% of the projected salary cap of that year. His cap number is shaped like a Bell curve, which means they probably have to restructure.

 

The highest QB Sap % to ever win a Superbowl is 12% (Eli Manning).

 

 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

6 hours ago, Motorin' said:

 

Exactly, how the hell are we going to pick in the top 5 of the draft over the next 8 years? Talking about ruining everything!!! 😂

Conditional draft picks.  Just one leg of the tripod.

(The others being dirty tricks and electronic espionage.)

[unbillievable]

1 minute ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

Conditional draft picks.  Just one leg of the tripod.

(The others being dirty tricks and electronic espionage.)

copy the dolphins by trading a player (Edmunds) for a 1st and watch the other team tank.

[MJS]

5 minutes ago, unbillievable said:

Allen's cap number balloons to 50mil in 2025 which would be 20% of the projected salary cap of that year. His cap number is shaped like a Bell curve, which means they probably have to restructure.

 

The highest QB Sap % to ever win a Superbowl is 12% (Eli Manning).

Is that considering the higher cap due to new TV deals that will be kicking in, plus just the general increases we usually see from year to year?

[Don Otreply]

5 hours ago, nucci said:

not me. Why would I care how much he makes?

This^^^
 

I have never cared what players make, just never cared, I only want them to play well. 

[PonyBoy]

9 hours ago, BigAl2526 said:

Yeah, we're not gonna get a decent first round draft position for years.

Patriots didnt either, worked out ok for them. Not saying Allen is Brady. 

[Putin]

20 minutes ago, PonyBoy said:

Patriots didnt either, worked out ok for them. Not saying Allen is Brady. 

I could be wrong but can’t remember Brady winning a SB with a middle of the pack defense and no running game , 

 

[ColoradoBills]

1 hour ago, unbillievable said:

 

Allen's cap number balloons to 50mil in 2025 which would be 20% of the projected salary cap of that year. His cap number is shaped like a Bell curve, which means they probably have to restructure.

 

The highest QB Sap % to ever win a Superbowl is 12% (Eli Manning).

 

The contract is set up perfectly to move salary money into restructured money in 2025 and 2026.

If Josh is still tearing it up it will give him some guaranteed money in his final 2 years which are only $40M per.

 

I'm laughing while typing "only $40M" but in 2028 bridge QBs will be making 30-35 million.

[HOUSE]

We could have gotten the other Josh cheaper

[ColoradoBills]

1 minute ago, HOUSE said:

We could have gotten the other Josh cheaper

 

"Other Josh" is cheap.

[Ramza86]

Love that QBs are locked up long term.

 

Roster quality will be hurting down the line 100%

 

All teams with highly paid QBs will hurt their rosters sometime after their extension.

 

We wont be seeing that for a couple of years which is good...but 3 years from now if we dont have a superbowl ring....the team wont be any better than it is now, makes it harder to win.

 

Things that will help, keep the roster sound:

 

Vets taking discounts to stay or come and join the team for a run. 

Allen taking discounts.

Drafting hit after hit.