TheBrownBear Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 Crazy to think our best QB over a span of 25 years was a 36 year old midget from the CFL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 Of the drought QBs I saw (so from 02 onwards) I think the first season of Beldsoe was probably the best single season but he deteriorated quickly. The best Quarterback of the drought era was Fitz. I think had Fitz played on some of the better drought rosters he'd have maybe got us to the playoffs. Second best was Tyrod (maybe he shouldn't be considered drought era as he was the Quarterback of the drought breakers?) but I found him beyond frustrating to watch. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 6 hours ago, GoBills808 said: I remember getting excited watching Kyle Orton 🤔 Perhaps you would like to rephrase that? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Protocal69 Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 (edited) I remember that stretch from 2013 to 2015 it seem like we couldn't get pass KC and it was frustrating because it felt like we could win each time especially in 2014 and 2015 when we was tied in the standings each time. 2013 Jeff Tuel 13-23 Tuel thows int in the end zone right when was going to score to take a commanding lead 2014 Kyle Orton 13-17 Jamal Charles broke a long TD run on 3rd down and short 2015 Tyrod 22-30. Tyrod almost throws for 300 Edited August 4, 2021 by Protocal69 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTbills Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 20 hours ago, Allen2Diggs said: Anyone remember Craig Nall? I think we only had him for a year after being Favre's backup. It's so refreshing that the qb carousel has stopped. For so many years we tried to find a starting qb in another team's trash heap (this strategy did pan out with Tyrod and Fitz to some degree) Oh yeah. How about Gibran Hamdan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 I’m not going to lie, I thought JP was the “one”. I was so sad to see him flame out. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comebackkid Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 20 hours ago, Just in Atlanta said: My attempt at a ranking, best to worst: Drew Bledsoe Ryan Fitzpatrick Doug Flutie Tyrod Taylor Rob Johnson Trent Edwards JP Losman Kyle Orton Thad Lewis Jeff Tuel Kelly Holcomb Brian Brohm EJ Manuel ... ... ... 126. Nathan Peterman The dark days are over my friends. (Sorry, don't remember the likes of Todd Collins or Alex Van Pelt.) as a pure passer i would probably put Orton under or tied with Flutie. He came in washed up and off his couch and still the first time he played i was like... " OH...thats what a qb is supposed to look like..it was night and day different that what we had on the field for awhile. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Bill Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 I recall watching our savior Trent Edward's in October game at home his first year. I told my son who was sitting in the seat next to me....Edwards would never be a qb in Buffalo. At a time out he went to the sidelines to speak to coaches, as they gathered together to review strategy he left the group to get a coat, something no one else needed in that huddle. In a time when concentration and leadership for the game was needed he selfishly concentrated on his own comfort. And this was October cold, not Dec. In contrast to Jim K, following retirement taking his coat off, twirling it over his head, on the sidelines vs Miami as the snow squall entered the stadium signifying the end of the Dolphins that day. Snow and cold are our allies and advantage as much as heat and humidity are to some teams. Edwards was too weak to be a leader of men. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 22 hours ago, ganesh said: Espn showed this in the 2018 draft when Josh was drafted. there were 17QBs who started between Kelly and Josh. the number of drought years was 17 josh Allen wears the # 17 coincidence or destiny ?? Josh was also picked round 1 number 7 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 On 8/3/2021 at 10:37 AM, RobbRiddick said: Tuel time baby! He seems longer ago than 2013. There's some in there I had hopes for. JP I think would be better now with the offenses we have. He could move a bit and had a hell of a deep ball. The intermediate stuff was what screwed him. EJ I never thought would amount to anything, hated the way he seemed to push his throws towards players, almost like darts. Tyrod drove me crazy with his unwillingness to pass more than five yards beyond the LOS, though he carved out quite the rep amongst the media as being the guy who doesn't turn it over. Trent was good for a short while until he got knocked out and we had fun blaming his regression on the concussion for many years. Drew was exciting for a season or so, then we got frustrated with his cement feet. Van Pelt looks better as a pot bellied sideline stroller than he did as a QB Rob Johnson's best moment was leading us to FG range with one shoe, just before the music city miracle Douglas Flutie was probably the most entertaining out of that bunch. Loved watching him play Fitz was fun and frustrating week to week. He did beat the Pats though. All said it's a lot of crap we've had to put up with. Look at that list and you can see why Allen is so popular Tuel - Gross. JP - Hated him from Day 1 and he didn't disappoint. EJ - Likeable enough guy but didn't have it between the ears. Didn't seem to have the heart and passion for football either. Tyrod - Much like EJ, he didnt have the brain to excel. Probably the best of this bunch though, guy had heart and worked his ass off. Trent - I don't believe in the "what he couldve been had he not been hurt". He was always going to end up the way he did Drew - The teams inability to keep the unit together was his undoing more than his feet. Price and Riemersma gone after 2002. Then Ruben. Drafting Mcgahee in 2003 knowing he won't play, and thus putting your back in a lameduck position. Just a mess. Van Pelt - I don't remember him ever playing so i must have tuned out RJ - Sack city Flutie - Good football player with limited natural gifts. Fitz - I think we all knew the extension was a bad choice. They picked 10 in 2012 and the 6 picks after luck were all traded. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 Besides the corpse of Drew bledsoe, the best quarterback on that list is Ryan Fitzpatrick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comebackkid Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 Just now, Buffalo716 said: Besides the corpse of Drew bledsoe, the best quarterback on that list is Ryan Fitzpatrick are you judging by how he plays now or how he played when he was with us? I feel he raised his game quite a bit later in his career. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Comebackkid said: are you judging by how he plays now or how he played when he was with us? I feel he raised his game quite a bit later in his career. Fitz was just as good here as he always was.. when we had him he was absolutely our best quarterback since Kelly ... problem Is we had a dog s*** team.. and he's not good enough to overcome that So he can move the ball and throw touchdowns, but he's always been turnover prone especially with less of a cast around them He made an unknown 7th round pick Stevie Johnson into a household name... He was throwing to undrafted David Jones who was his Z receiver .. Undrafted David Nelson... Waiver wire Scott Chandler... brad Smith We were a rebuilding team , rebuilding an offense and defense... And Fitz actually made that ship a lot smoother than what it should have been We could have had the number one pick multiple times during that and fitz always squeaked out five six wins.. he played well above the team talent... We started 0-8 his first year here when he was back up... He finished four and four on a crap team Edited August 4, 2021 by Buffalo716 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comebackkid Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Fitz was just as good here as he always was.. when we had him he was absolutely our best quarterback since Kelly ... problem Is we had a dog s*** team.. and he's not good enough to overcome that So he can move the ball and throw touchdowns, but he's always been turnover prone especially with less of a cast around them He made an unknown 7th round pick Stevie Johnson into a household name... He was throwing to undrafted David Jones who was his Z receiver .. Undrafted David Nelson... Waiver wire Scott Chandler... brad Smith We were a rebuilding team , rebuilding an offense and defense... And Fitz actually made that ship a lot smoother than what it should have been We could have had the number one pick multiple times during that and fitz always squeaked out five six wins.. he played well above the team talent good point... it always seemed to me that once he left he got better but as you said..he did have better talent around him as well. thanks for your input. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. K Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 On 8/3/2021 at 11:03 AM, BuffaloBill said: Yeah, I really thought Edwards was going to be “the one.” He was never the same after that brutal hit in the Cards game. Everybody always says this, but he had his best game as a pro against San Diego in his first start AFTER the Cards game. Look it up. . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 On 8/3/2021 at 10:21 AM, foreboding said: I was trying to remember all the QBs who started for our team has had since Jim Kelly and before Josh Allen. The list was even longer than I thought, the number in parenthesis is the number of games started by said QB. Not far off from a QB per year since. Crazy and glad the desolation is over. 1997 Todd Collins (13) / Alex Van Pelt (3) 1998 Doug Flutie (10) / Rob Johnson (6) 1999 Doug Flutie (15) / Rob Johnson (1) 2000 Rob Johnson (11) / Doug Flutie (5) 2001 Alex Van Pelt (8) / Rob Johnson (8) 2002 Drew Bledsoe (16) 2003 Drew Bledsoe (16) 2004 Drew Bledsoe (16) 2005 J. P. Losman (8) / Kelly Holcomb (8) 2006 J. P. Losman (16) 2007 Trent Edwards (9) / J. P. Losman (7) 2008 Trent Edwards (14) / J. P. Losman (2) 2009 Ryan Fitzpatrick (8) / Trent Edwards (7) / Brian Brohm (1) 2010 Ryan Fitzpatrick (13) / Trent Edwards (2) / Brian Brohm (1) 2011 Ryan Fitzpatrick (16) 2012 Ryan Fitzpatrick (16) 2013 EJ Manuel (10) / Thad Lewis (5) / Jeff Tuel (1) 2014 Kyle Orton (12) / EJ Manuel (4) 2015 Tyrod Taylor (14) / EJ Manuel (2) 2016 Tyrod Taylor (15) / EJ Manuel (1) 2017 Tyrod Taylor (14) / Nathan Peterman (2) some things Josh Allen wont do that some of these characters did.. 1. Slide behind the line with little threat of being touched (Edwards) 2. Runs out of our own end zone (JP Losman) 3. 10 straight throws with no player close (Fitzmagic to Fitztragic) 4. Not able to throw past 10 yards with much accuracy (Kyle Orton) 5. Lines up behind the Guard! (Tyrod Taylor) 6. 44 passes thrown for under 50% (EJ Manuel 7. 5 INT in one half of play (Peterman) 8. Fourth and a foot.. QB cant sneak the ball.. Most of them. I could go on with the list but you all get the point. We Have Josh Allen... Can we drop the nightmares and enjoy our future dreams? thanks.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 15 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said: some things Josh Allen wont do that some of these characters did.. 1. Slide behind the line with little threat of being touched (Edwards) 2. Runs out of our own end zone (JP Losman) 3. 10 straight throws with no player close (Fitzmagic to Fitztragic) 4. Not able to throw past 10 yards with much accuracy (Kyle Orton) 5. Lines up behind the Guard! (Tyrod Taylor) 6. 44 passes thrown for under 50% (EJ Manuel 7. 5 INT in one half of play (Peterman) 8. Fourth and a foot.. QB cant sneak the ball.. Most of them. I could go on with the list but you all get the point. We Have Josh Allen... Can we drop the nightmares and enjoy our future dreams? thanks.. Don’t forget: 9. Throw it out of bounds on 4th down at the end of a close game that the Bills lost. (Brain Dead Drew vs. Eagles, 2003) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 19 hours ago, GoBills808 said: I remember getting excited watching Kyle Orton was this part of a drinking game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 4 hours ago, Rico said: Don’t forget: 9. Throw it out of bounds on 4th down at the end of a close game that the Bills lost. (Brain Dead Drew vs. Eagles, 2003) this list can go on and on.. Point being made.. we have our guy.. lets just enjoy the future.. going to be great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Limeaid said: was this part of a drinking game? I definitely wasn’t sober Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 5 hours ago, Rico said: Don’t forget: 9. Throw it out of bounds on 4th down at the end of a close game that the Bills lost. (Brain Dead Drew vs. Eagles, 2003) I found a Bledsoe highlight vid with all his Bills TDs and it was easy to forget for a moment that he was about as bad as most of the other QBs we had during the drought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 10 hours ago, LeviF said: I found a Bledsoe highlight vid with all his Bills TDs and it was easy to forget for a moment that he was about as bad as most of the other QBs we had during the drought. He did have a great year of pitch and catch with Moulds and Price that one year...when both had 1000 yard seasons....Alas, he couldn't get wins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CA OC Bills Fan Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 Sorry if this was already pointed out, but I read a little under half the replies. In the season opener of 2015, Matt Cassel took the 1st snap as QB. Therefore, 2015 is Cassel (1), Taylor (13), EJ (2) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 (edited) I'd say of the list Tyrod was probably my favorite. Fitz had his moments but the 4th quarter INTs were always an issue here. Tyrod was boring, it was a lot of punting but he made that shady rushing offense better. He got sacked a lot, but he usually limited the lost yards and balanced it with more rushing yards (almost all through scrambles) and helping as a rz rushing threat. Tyrods 2016 game against miami when buffalo was... barely breathing playoff wise was a fantastic effort too. Looking at the box score too - Go for the win on 4th and 2 with 4 minutes left in OT, you need the W. Edited August 5, 2021 by dneveu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damj Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 On 8/3/2021 at 11:05 AM, Damian said: Did Billy Joe Hobert ever play? He never started. Came in after an injury and was BRUTAL. He admitted afterwards that he didn't read the playbook and was cut right after that 13 hours ago, LeviF said: I found a Bledsoe highlight vid with all his Bills TDs and it was easy to forget for a moment that he was about as bad as most of the other QBs we had during the drought. I was in Boston when I found out we started for him and was talking smack with a cabbie. He told me "You're excited, I get that. After 8 games you'll find out why we're glad to get rid of him". Truly sage words 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 8 minutes ago, damj said: He never started. Came in after an injury and was BRUTAL. He admitted afterwards that he didn't read the playbook and was cut right after that I was in Boston when I found out we started for him and was talking smack with a cabbie. He told me "You're excited, I get that. After 8 games you'll find out why we're glad to get rid of him". Truly sage words Belichick’s greatest fleece job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, dneveu said: I'd say of the list Tyrod was probably my favorite. Fitz had his moments but the 4th quarter INTs were always an issue here. Tyrod was boring, it was a lot of punting but he made that shady rushing offense better. He got sacked a lot, but he usually limited the lost yards and balanced it with more rushing yards (almost all through scrambles) and helping as a rz rushing threat. Tyrods 2016 game against miami when buffalo was... barely breathing playoff wise was a fantastic effort too. Looking at the box score too - Go for the win on 4th and 2 with 4 minutes left in OT, you need the W. Tyrod was my favorite. Bledsoe was objectively the best. Tyrod is back with David Culley as his head coach. Who knows what happens with Deshaun Watson? And Davis Mills certainly isn't ready to start. It's very possible Tyrod plays and leads that tanking team to a 7-9 record or something like that. Hey, his strangely adequate play didn't destroy the Bills' rebuild after all. Maybe he'll do the same in Houston. Just not on Week 4 at Buffalo please. (But I'm hoping he trots out on the field to a huge ovation!) Edited August 5, 2021 by The Frankish Reich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damj Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 16 minutes ago, Rico said: Belichick’s greatest fleece job. Yup. So I had the same convo with a Cowboys fan after he went there 😁 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damj Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 19 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: Tyrod was my favorite. Bledsoe was objectively the best. Tyrod is back with David Culley as his head coach. Who knows what happens with Deshaun Watson? And Davis Mills certainly isn't ready to start. It's very possible Tyrod plays and leads that tanking team to a 7-9 record or something like that. Hey, his strangely adequate play didn't destroy the Bills' rebuild after all. Maybe he'll do the same in Houston. Just not on Week 4 at Buffalo please. (But I'm hoping he trots out on the field to a huge ovation!) I always had respect for Bledsoe though. I was at his first game in the NFL and we beat the ever-loving sh*t out of him that day. He wasn't consistent, but he sure was tough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 On 8/3/2021 at 10:21 AM, foreboding said: I was trying to remember all the QBs who started for our team has had since Jim Kelly and before Josh Allen. The list was even longer than I thought, the number in parenthesis is the number of games started by said QB. Not far off from a QB per year since. Crazy and glad the desolation is over. 1997 Todd Collins (13) / Alex Van Pelt (3) 1998 Doug Flutie (10) / Rob Johnson (6) 1999 Doug Flutie (15) / Rob Johnson (1) 2000 Rob Johnson (11) / Doug Flutie (5) 2001 Alex Van Pelt (8) / Rob Johnson (8) 2002 Drew Bledsoe (16) 2003 Drew Bledsoe (16) 2004 Drew Bledsoe (16) 2005 J. P. Losman (8) / Kelly Holcomb (8) 2006 J. P. Losman (16) 2007 Trent Edwards (9) / J. P. Losman (7) 2008 Trent Edwards (14) / J. P. Losman (2) 2009 Ryan Fitzpatrick (8) / Trent Edwards (7) / Brian Brohm (1) 2010 Ryan Fitzpatrick (13) / Trent Edwards (2) / Brian Brohm (1) 2011 Ryan Fitzpatrick (16) 2012 Ryan Fitzpatrick (16) 2013 EJ Manuel (10) / Thad Lewis (5) / Jeff Tuel (1) 2014 Kyle Orton (12) / EJ Manuel (4) 2015 Tyrod Taylor (14) / EJ Manuel (2) 2016 Tyrod Taylor (15) / EJ Manuel (1) 2017 Tyrod Taylor (14) / Nathan Peterman (2) I remember when Tuel was tearing it up in pre-season and some people thought he was the next Drew Brees 🤢🤮 Also, didn’t Thigpen start a few games for us? My memory is shot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comebackkid Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 1 minute ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said: I remember when Tuel was tearing it up in pre-season and some people thought he was the next Drew Brees 🤢🤮 Also, didn’t Thigpen start a few games for us? My memory is shot. I don't remember thigpen, thad Lewis started one game I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Comebackkid said: I don't remember thigpen, thad Lewis started one game I believe. Thad lewis started more than 1 game 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 Member when losman planted trees around Buffalo and we were excited? Man, urghh. Praise the lord for McDermott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 1 hour ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said: I remember when Tuel was tearing it up in pre-season and some people thought he was the next Drew Brees 🤢🤮 Also, didn’t Thigpen start a few games for us? My memory is shot. Thigpen played in 7 games for us but was never the starter. Career stats with Buffalo: 6/13 for 55 yards 0 TD 1 INT 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 43 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said: Thigpen played in 7 games for us but was never the starter. Career stats with Buffalo: 6/13 for 55 yards 0 TD 1 INT Guy was truly a Fantasy juggernaut. 54 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Thad lewis started more than 1 game He had a great game against a decent Bengals squad. Brought them to overtime and nearly won the game. He had heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 4 hours ago, Rico said: Belichick’s greatest fleece job. He has fleeced the NFL more with his cheating. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowbelt_subie Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 such a sad time this was for the Bills and the Browns. I am glad it appears the 2 have turned it around like the Kosar and Kelly Era X2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro Nimbus Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 Kevin Kolb could of been the savior, had he not been taken out by a cart path in training camp. 🤷🏻♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 (edited) I remember that before Peterman's 1st start in LA there were posts across various Bills message boards, including here, where fans were talking of Peterman being so good that the Bills wouldn't have to use a draft pick on a QB and could use all those picks in the 1st & 2nd round to build the team around the latest savior, Nathan Peterman. They clearly thought he was an upgrade from Tyrod. My position was that I was very skeptical of Peterman & before his 1st start I started calling him Nathan Marangi. I was at the LA game & at halftime I found a quiet spot away from the stands to call my friend Petrino & laugh at Peterman. One game wasn't enough & he ruined another road trip for me by starting the Baltimore 2018 season opener. I was so glad when Josh came in, in the 2nd half. The only game he wasn't a total disaster was the snow game vs Indy that I never saw because I was in the hospital & the Bills weren't on TV in Albany that day. For the record, it wasn't Peterman's play in LA that put me in the hospital that December. 😄 Here's a good one from the archives: 11/15/2017 - The day that changed the entire course of history for this franchise - The Stadium Wall Archives - Two Bills Drive I found this on another board dated 11/19/2017 To: Gary Marangi From: Albany,n.y. Dear Mr. Marangi, please accept my apologies for comparing Nate Peterman to you. You were a much better QB. I will never call him Nathan Marangi again, his new name is Nathan 1987 Manucci. He has now attained the status of being compared with a strike player who threw 0 TDs & 2 INTs with a 3.8 passer rating in a strike game. Edited August 6, 2021 by Albany,n.y. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pennstate10 Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 On 8/3/2021 at 12:53 PM, Homey D. Clown said: Joe Dufek and Bruce Mathison! ahhh the crappy old days..... I remember in the 80s someone told me that Ferragamo meant “interception “ in Italian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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