scuba guy Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 8 hours ago, SectionC3 said: What about the prevailing tax rate? Maybe it's better to get it now before NYS leg raises taxes on ultra wealthy. So maybe the Bills did him a bit of a favor in the long run here. The tax rate for all pros is actually less than the 45percent for 7 figures people and nys person income tax I believe is the 2nd highest to CA in the country Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 We couldn’t restructure Diggs contract weeks ago Or is there a reason for doing June 1st ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 13 minutes ago, Putin said: We couldn’t restructure Diggs contract weeks ago Or is there a reason for doing June 1st ? IF it’s for signing a post-June 1st cut, THEN I’d say it was to conceal their move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scuba guy Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Warcodered said: Damn did Star eat a faster skinnier guy? Tks wc don't think many people shaw this yet to busy complaining about him not showing up I shaw a picture from bean showing him slimed down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 36 minutes ago, ngbills said: Personally I see better ways to spend the money. But at the same time - covering Diggs and a healthy Jones? With Beasley, Davis and Sanders... and Davis and McKenzie and that new RB. I am sure Moss look improved in all areas after a proper offseason and Devin will improve his game. Both surely are working on the passing game as well. we might already be loaded at catching options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsDude Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 Is anyone following Pegula's plane? Please update, so I can determine our next Bill. Thanks. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 9 hours ago, Not at the table Karlos said: Green bay has Adams, one of the best WRs in the league and Titans have AJ Brown. but besides those 2, they're desperate for a #1 WR 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weatherman Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 1 hour ago, ColeB said: Gotta be for Josh’s extension. Beane said it would be priority after draft. A JA17 extension might actually create cap not detract if it’s anything like the one Mahomes signed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 Josh's extension would have nothing to do with this year's cap savings. It means we are going to sign more players, a reason why we don't have max # yet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMDman Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 Bring me Ertz, Daddy Beane 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 12 hours ago, BarleyNY said: I get that such a situation can look bad, but it’s not bad from a cap perspective as the two year hit is the same. You might be pointing at a team using the extra space to overextend itself and that would definitely create problems. The potential other issue I saw on the Steelers years ago. They’ve been restructuring a lot of players like this for years. Usually it’s worked out fine, but they have had players underperform (due to getting paid and phoning it in, getting off the juice, getting old, etc.) whom they couldn’t cut right away. In general as long as a team is responsible it’s good to kick cap down to future years. One benefit is that future cap hits are discounted by the percentage of the increase in cap. Obviously 2020 threw a wrench in this, but for example if the cap rose a steady 5% per year then signing bonus hits would be discounted by 5% every year. A $4M SB on a 4 year deal would show $1M each season, but due to the 5% annual cap increase they would be equivalent to $1M, $950k, $902.5k and $857.4K. So you can see why teams love to utilize this to their advantage. yup- only gets you in trouble when you do it with a guy that doesn’t work out to sign another flop. but signing two bad players is a problem regardless. restructures make the player happy and add flexibility for the GM. It’s win win, generally speaking 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxcar Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 3 hours ago, The Dean said: Actually, I thought you might have been claiming solid knowledge on Diggs' reasons/motivation for agreeing to the extension*. That or you were just being a cynic who likes to introduce some dark clouds into the bit of sunshine this news brought. But I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. Since you didn't claim to have any special friendship, or business association with Diggs, how would you have any idea what he considered or his motivations? Obviously helping the team make a nice signing this year helps the team. Why might that not be a factor in Diggs decision? *It was mentioned some restructures MIGHT not require a players consent. Even if that were the case, I doubt the Biils would just impose it without dealing with Diggs first. It could have been a factor. At the end of the day, though, I was just pushing back against the narrative that he was making a sacrifice for the team. He didn't make a sacrifice, I don't expect him to, but I'm not going to go out of my way to praise him for essentially accepting most of his yearly salary all at once rather than in weekly installments. The fact that they are making cap room is exciting, I don't think I was taking away from that at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 7 hours ago, appoo said: not that worried about Star suddenly Who is that guy? That year off might have done him some good and allowed him to get his body right. Our Dline will be brutal if that is our new Star. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 7 hours ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: https://ftw.usatoday.com/lists/nfl-zach-ertz-trade-bills/amp this is a good insight on the good and the bad of an Ertz trade Um…big receiver is still a need for the Bills. Julio would be ideal, but could settle for Ertz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97bills Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 14 hours ago, Canadian Bills Fan said: I know but I think of Tyreek Hill who said "once Im signed, Im signed" and that he wouldnt restructure Nice to not have that problem Wait till those Feet slow down he might look at it different Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybrew1 Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 Super Bowl!!! (For reals.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 I cannot see adding another big $$$ receiver especially an old one that plays more than 11 games a year in domes or warm weather. The Bills are loaded at WR. CB2 and TE or a QB killer DE are what they need right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 The DE pool is long gone. CB2 or TE makes sense. There is no way we are going after Jones. We are too loaded in that spot and we havent even seen Hodgins yet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 (edited) 11 hours ago, BillsDude said: Is anyone following Pegula's plane? Please update, so I can determine our next Bill. Thanks. Bills mafia close to the airports in ATL & Philly will need hourly updates on this thread, thank you Edited June 2, 2021 by Putin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 (edited) 22 hours ago, teef said: interesting. can this have anything to do with a new josh contract? Best guess so far. I'd expect a few cheap contracts a million or two on a CB or two maybe, a TE maybe. Money for signing the one or two draftees we haven't signed yet, and then hopefully signing Josh and Tremaine late in the season if things go well, and keeping an injury replacement fund. Edited June 2, 2021 by Thurman#1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 42 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said: The DE pool is long gone. CB2 or TE makes sense. There is no way we are going after Jones. We are too loaded in that spot and we havent even seen Hodgins yet. Agreed and supposedly Hodgins looks really good in mini camp 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsDude Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 55 minutes ago, Putin said: Bills mafia close to the airports in ATL & Philly will need hourly updates on this thread, thank you Great! Mafia, Get er done. Congratulate our newest Bills with the loudest ovation. Throw in some Bills gifts for them too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jletha Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 19 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said: Agreed and supposedly Hodgins looks really good in mini camp Hodgins looking good in mini-camp means absolutely nothing. If Jones is available for a decent price you get him. This is silly logic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 Just now, jletha said: Hodgins looking good in mini-camp means absolutely nothing. If Jones is available for a decent price you get him. This is silly logic You don’t have the money for Julio even after the restructure 🙄 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 4 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said: You don’t have the money for Julio even after the restructure 🙄 Cut Addison, then we do. Not sure why he's still on this team anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 8 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: Cut Addison, then we do. Not sure why he's still on this team anyway He took a paycut to begin with and then you’d have to resign Julio and that will be very expensive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 4 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said: He took a paycut to begin with and then you’d have to resign Julio and that will be very expensive Not necessarily resign him but restructure. This is the year. If you're gonna go for it, do it now. Josh's contract is really gonna kick in next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 14 hours ago, Big Turk said: No need to be torn the cap is skyrocketing within a few years, plenty of money to go around...potentially will be up over $100 million in 5 years Need. Yes it'll skyrocket in a few years. But till that happens in 2023, we're going to be cutting it close. We are already close to the cap next year, and moves like this one will make it even closer next year, though perhaps he won't spend a fairly large part of that money. Next year, now that we made the Diggs move we have $3.9M left above the cap. If he doesn't spend some, that part will roll over and that'll help. This stuff matters. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jletha Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 37 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said: You don’t have the money for Julio even after the restructure 🙄 the cap is very nebulous. Just restructure, move money around. Im not saying itll happen, just that having Hodgins and Sanders on the team looking "good in camp" should NEVER stop you from adding Julio Jones in an all-in year like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 (edited) 44 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: Cut Addison, then we do. Not sure why he's still on this team anyway 'Cuz he's top four and probably top two among the DEs, at least that's how it looks right now. And also because virtually all his salary this year is guaranteed, and cutting him would save us about $0.17M. 10 minutes ago, jletha said: the cap is very nebulous. Just restructure, move money around. Im not saying itll happen, just that having Hodgins and Sanders on the team looking "good in camp" should NEVER stop you from adding Julio Jones in an all-in year like this. Beane - thank goodness - doesn't believe in "all-in" years. He believes in long-term competitiveness. 9 hours ago, NoSaint said: restructures make the player happy and add flexibility for the GM. It’s win win, generally speaking They make the player happy, they add flexibility for the GM THIS YEAR, and take away flexibility from the GM NEXT YEAR. Worth remembering that. There's a cost. Edited June 2, 2021 by Thurman#1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 4 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said: They make the player happy, they add flexibility for the GM THIS YEAR, and take away flexibility from the GM NEXT YEAR. Worth remembering that. There's a cost. It’s worth noting that restructuring only takes away flexibility next season if the additional space created this season is spent this season. What isn’t spent rolls over and that washes. Usually at least some is spent like that, but sometimes space is just created for emergency spending in the event of injuries, etc. In the case of Diggs restructuring the Bills need some of that space to get through the season. That includes some emergency fund money which will roll over if unused. Also sometimes spending this year on things like retaining players long term can keep a team from having to sign free agents in the future. That can be a net cap gain, depending on the contracts and FA market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: It’s worth noting that restructuring only takes away flexibility next season if the additional space created this season is spent this season. What isn’t spent rolls over and that washes. Usually at least some is spent like that, but sometimes space is just created for emergency spending in the event of injuries, etc. In the case of Diggs restructuring the Bills need some of that space to get through the season. That includes some emergency fund money which will roll over if unused. Also sometimes spending this year on things like retaining players long term can keep a team from having to sign free agents in the future. That can be a net cap gain, depending on the contracts and FA market. Yes, that's right. If they create $10M in space this year and only spend $5M, they'll have the other $5M rolled over to next year. I don't think they got the money because they need it next year, though it's an interesting idea. That would mean borrowing money from next year and the year after to not spend this year so it's available next year in 2022. It'd make sense in as much as they're borrowing around $4M from 2023, but that's pretty small potatoes to be worrying about so far in advance. They need at least some of it this year, even if it's only as an emergency fund this year, as you say. IMO, though, they'll be bringing in a couple of low- to lower-mid-level FAs at spots like CB and TE. Agreed with your last paragraph too. Edited June 2, 2021 by Thurman#1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippery Rubber Mats Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 (edited) The way I look at this is: what couldn't they do at the old number (3+mil)? They need to pay Rousseuueoeu ~2. That would leave them with a million plus, so basically no flexibility at all after that. Now they'll have around 9 mil to work with. I could see a vet CB around 5-6mil plus rooks. Leaving them 3+ to do business with after that. Ertz seems like he could fit in instead of the CB with some cash left on the table to pay Greg and have about the same amount left over as before. Edited June 2, 2021 by Tom Donahoe, GM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 If it's a choice between Jones and Ertz, I take Ertz. The Bills have WRs galore. What they need is a top TE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: 'Cuz he's top four and probably top two among the DEs, at least that's how it looks right now. And also because virtually all his salary this year is guaranteed, and cutting him would save us about $0.17M. Beane - thank goodness - doesn't believe in "all-in" years. He believes in long-term competitiveness. They make the player happy, they add flexibility for the GM THIS YEAR, and take away flexibility from the GM NEXT YEAR. Worth remembering that. There's a cost. nope. If you don’t use it you can just carry the unspent cap over. How they use the funds May limit flexibility but the signature itself 100% only creates more flexibility. put another way, if I tell you that you can have 20 up front to spend how you wish or 4 dollars a week for 5 weeks, you blowing the $20 on worthless objects wouldn’t mean you had less flexibility by choosing it. beane just dropped the 20 in his checking account and has the freedom to pursue a $20 opportunity now or save it for later. Edited June 2, 2021 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simpleman Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 22 hours ago, Virgil said: This isn’t true. Bonuses are considered supplemental income and are taxed at a higher rate. Some companies may not code it the right way, which is why you haven’t seen it. If you go to the IRS site, they break it down more. I used to get bonuses all the time and the tax rate was closer to 40-42% Don't know what you are trying to prove. The article you quoted talks about withholding rates. Again, withholding is not a final tax. At the end of the year the actual tax bill is calculated and your taxes are paid based on that final calculation. The bonus income is not taxed at a higher rate, it is just withheld at different rate. Your only extra loss because of the higher withholding is any loss of interest paid between the time of the withholding, and your filing of the years return and any tax refund issued. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 Maybe Star is retiring and the Bills need to free up room for that. That's obviously not a fun thought... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 2, 2021 Author Share Posted June 2, 2021 46 minutes ago, MJS said: Maybe Star is retiring and the Bills need to free up room for that. That's obviously not a fun thought... Sure Doesn’t seem like it 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: Need. Yes it'll skyrocket in a few years. But till that happens in 2023, we're going to be cutting it close. We are already close to the cap next year, and moves like this one will make it even closer next year, though perhaps he won't spend a fairly large part of that money. Next year, now that we made the Diggs move we have $3.9M left above the cap. If he doesn't spend some, that part will roll over and that'll help. This stuff matters. There are plenty of moves that can be made prior to that...Allen and Edmunds will likely get long term extensions that are very cap friendly for the first 2 years which would likely save us at least $25 million off the cap next year. We are all playing checkers while Beane and Co. are playing chess. Edited June 2, 2021 by Big Turk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 18 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Sure Doesn’t seem like it Yeah. That video dispelled a lot of rumors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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