RyanC883 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 Just now, HappyDays said: I don't think Edmunds is the right comparison. Edmunds was a pure athletic freak with no instincts. That lack of instincts has held him back so far in his career. Rousseau is the opposite. He isn't the most athletic edge rusher but he has natural instincts and a nose for the ball. I think in his first season, at the very least he will be great at setting the edge for us and helping our run defense. By year 2 ideally he'll have developed some pass rush moves and he'll start to reach his ceiling. If he ever becomes consistent at getting into the back field, look out. Because once he's there he has a knack for finding the QB and taking him to the ground. some sort of social science experiment. Will ones athletic abilities wear off on the other, while the others awareness wears off on the former! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 1 minute ago, HappyDays said: I don't think Edmunds is the right comparison. Edmunds was a pure athletic freak with no instincts. That lack of instincts has held him back so far in his career. Rousseau is the opposite. He isn't the most athletic edge rusher but he has natural instincts and a nose for the ball. I think in his first season, at the very least he will be great at setting the edge for us and helping our run defense. By year 2 ideally he'll have developed some pass rush moves and he'll start to reach his ceiling. If he ever becomes consistent at getting into the back field, look out. Because once he's there he has a knack for finding the QB and taking him to the ground. Rousseau still scored pretty well on the RAS I believe, in the 7s. Not quite Allen, Edmunds or Oliver who were all above 9 I grant you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 1 minute ago, Sundancer said: His highlight reel shows him keeping lineman at bay and leaving them to tackle RBs. This is something we desperately need. The QB pressures are a bonus. 15.5 sacks at The U...if he had that last year, he's gone before pick 10. Only thing that got him to 30 was taking a year off to skip Covid play. He's not a Day One starter but I'd be coaching him up to be a big time year 2 contributor and a solid situational contributor in year 1. i think this is the issue. we need a day 1 contributor. Perhaps the Bills saw no one there at 30 and took a potential huge year 2 contributor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 21 minutes ago, Nester said: Young kids who have not played in a year seem like a huge risk. WhyWhy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 Just now, RyanC883 said: i think this is the issue. we need a day 1 contributor. Perhaps the Bills saw no one there at 30 and took a potential huge year 2 contributor. Erm. At pick 30, you don't get Day One starters on the D-line. Kids that late are usually undersized and not ready to be on the field every play. 23 minutes ago, Nester said: Young kids who have not played in a year seem like a huge risk. If it was a year off to injury, yes. This kid's mother is a nurse who advised him to take off for Covid. He's not some lazy kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. K Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 The only way I won't like this pick is if in his 3rd year he can't produce. He sounds and looks like a raw athlete built with a solid frame and natural strength that can be built on. Time with Jerry and the coaching staff plus some processing with McBeane and we could have a solid guy. Or he could be Aaron Maybin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 59 minutes ago, HOUSE said: Very big risk for busting ?? I believe you are confusing it with a very big bust for risking. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 I'm good with it. He has some crazy length which he seems to use pretty well. He shows up on those highlights with a shoestring tackle a bunch of times, able to use that length to trip 'em up as they try to leave the pocket. Interesting that the lined him up over the center at times. That's another McBeane hallmark they look for in prospects: versatility. As a jersey number nerd, I wonder which number he'll take. 50-59 are taken, and then 95 and 96 are available in the 90s, although I don't know if they have #95 in rotation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brennan Huff Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 People wanted a home run hitter at 30. That typically doesn’t happen. Rousseau should be a solid contributor in the D line rotation at worst. Hopefully we only win 5 games next year so we can get a better draft pick 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 Obviously not grinding tape, just watching highlight videos, but a few things I like about GR: (1) he seems to have good vision while rushing the passer, allowing him to track the QB as he climbs the pocket instead of rushing around and missing him (as we have seen Hughes do from time to time) (2) this goes hand in hand with the above point, but he seems to stay with plays until the end (3) he does a good job of staying low, which is impressive with such a large frame, but what is even more impressive is he seems to then be able to finish by further using his frame to reach out and strip/trip/arm tackle (4) a few of the sacks in his highlights were in the 4th quarter in close games vs. programs like FSU and Pitt - i.e., they mattered (5) the idea of him sacking Cam/Mac/Zach/Tua in Buffalo and the crowd going "ROUUUUUUUUUSS" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 1 minute ago, Brennan Huff said: People wanted a home run hitter at 30. That typically doesn’t happen. Rousseau should be a solid contributor in the D line rotation at worst. Hopefully we only win 5 games next year so we can get a better draft pick plus this is football...home run hitters play baseball😄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 By the end of the year, he'll be the best on our DL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheJauronClap Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 14 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: He put up 22 reps on the benchHe put up 22 reps on the bench Do you believe jpp is a good pass rusher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 (edited) My Notes on him, should have posted right after the pick, but I was beat and it was a long day Explosive off the edge (can still improve), can move inside situationally and dominate OGs with athleticism, Bends well and plays with good pad level for being so long, Not a contact and stop player still moves, good change of direction. effective Bull Rush. Very raw, doest have a rush plan and no counter moves, relied on his length and athleticism. Can get controlled easy specially getting into legs. Relentless pursuit and plays in the backfield, was good in setting the edge against the run for the most part, needs to improve in the NFL. Pure Natural Passrusher with high ceiling. Needs to learn hand fighting skills, to often will not break OL hands and re-establish. Projects - Situational Pass Rusher initially full time EDGE with a 10-15 sack projection per year if he develops his counters and plans. Edited April 30, 2021 by MAJBobby 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconator Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 4 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: Obviously not grinding tape, just watching highlight videos, but a few things I like about GR: (1) he seems to have good vision while rushing the passer, allowing him to track the QB as he climbs the pocket instead of rushing around and missing him (as we have seen Hughes do from time to time) (2) this goes hand in hand with the above point, but he seems to stay with plays until the end (3) he does a good job of staying low, which is impressive with such a large frame, but what is even more impressive is he seems to then be able to finish by further using his frame to reach out and strip/trip/arm tackle (4) a few of the sacks in his highlights were in the 4th quarter in close games vs. programs like FSU and Pitt - i.e., they mattered (5) the idea of him sacking Cam/Mac/Zach/Tua in Buffalo and the crowd going "ROUUUUUUUUUSS" Neil Peart was a better drummer. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 Not sure if it was posted in here already, but this is generally considered his best film and it's thrown together into a quick 5 minute video to make it an easy watch. I think they have one play in here where he isn't actually on the field, but aside from that, quick, easy, thorough film of him here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brennan Huff Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 5 minutes ago, nucci said: plus this is football...home run hitters play baseball😄 Exactly 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: I thought so when I originally saw those comps a few weeks ago.. But Kearse's track #'s wouldn't seem as freakish today. He ran a 4.58. Couple inches shorter than Rousseau. The freaky thing about Kearse were the 11.5" hands.......which is, of course, the freakish thing about Rousseau as well. I hear you. Track speed aside, though, Kearse was probably the most violent player of his era. The offense would throw a bubble screen to a WR and the WR would gain 15 yards and then, unexpectedly (to me), he would be obliterated from behind by a heat-seeking missile that was Jevon Kearse. Kearse had DK Metcalf's body and he'd throw himself violently all over the field. I'd never seen something like that and haven't seen it since. He fizzled out early, probably because of how violently he played. I don't see that same suddenness when I watch Rousseau - he seems to be more of a Gumby-armed octopus, which is fine with me - he'll probably play a lot longer than Kearse did as a result. Edited April 30, 2021 by Coach Tuesday 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, Draconator said: Neil Peart was a better drummer. I saw that post and looked like the cat in your picture Love Peart and think he's excellent technically, but Bonham just had that feel and power that may never be matched 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconator Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 1 minute ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: I saw that post and looked like the cat in your picture Love Peart and think he's excellent technically, but Bonham just had that feel and power that may never be matched Agreed with what you said about Bonham's feel and power. Neil also had power for sure, but his all around drumming (jazz for instance) gives him the top spot for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheJauronClap Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 Only thing I knock on him is he plays to high. makes it easy for tackles to get there hands on his chest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noacls Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 (edited) 42 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Pretty average in that regard. We do have a clear sense of what they like at edge by now though. They love length and they value that more than that explosive first step, although as Brandon referenced Rousseau's first 10 split in the 40 was pretty good. I don't think Rousseau has a bad get off, just that it isn't the thing that stands out to you on his tape. It is length, understanding of leverage and his hands. Yeah pretty average in speed. Has a better 10 yd split than Donald, Oliver, Watt, The Bosa's, Hughes(most overrated Bill ever), JPP, Jared Allen, Clowney. Tied Hunter Had a better 40 than Watt, the Bosa's, JPP, Allen. Tied Peppers. Does he need to improve flexibility and bend, yes. Does change of direction need work, yes. But to say he has average speed is flat out wrong. 42 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: 42 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: 42 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: 42 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Edited April 30, 2021 by noacls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 Don’t have time to wade through the thread. Is there anywhere that McBeane talk about the pick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 (edited) Rousseau wouldn't have been my pick personally, but I get the allure. If he develops the right way, he's a guy that can set the edge on first and second down and rush inside on 3rd down. I think the relatively disappointing things are: There were so many edge and corner guys available that we could have taken someone else and played the board a bit (but having said that, the other edge guys don't really have the versatility to kick inside that Rousseau has) Ordinarily if you're going to take a raw prospect like him, you'd like to see him be an explosive athlete and he just isn't. He's a solid athlete for sure, but you'll probably never be blown away by his burst off the edge like you might with a guy like Oweh for example. The standout parts of him athletically are his long arms and huge hands; they increase his tackle radius in a way that a lot of other guys don't have. Still a solid prospect though, and with our connections to Miami's defensive staff, I'm sure we've vetted him well and feel like he'll make the most out of what he has. Edited April 30, 2021 by DCOrange 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 Just now, Draconator said: Agreed with what you said about Bonham's feel and power. Neil also had power for sure, but his all around drumming (jazz for instance) gives him the top spot for me. See I feel Bonham could also play anything (Fool in the Rain as an example), but we're splitting hairs regardless haha cheers! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDD Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 His highlight reels seem to show a really good ability to pursue the QB after he steps up in the pocket. Lots of guys seem to be able to create the edge then can't get back to make the play on the QB. Looks like this kid can. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 The poverty mindset among bills fans is so high. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, noacls said: Yeah pretty average in speed. Has a better 10 yd split than Donald, Oliver, Watt, The Bosa's, Hughes(most overrated Bill ever), JPP, Jared Allen, Clowney. Tied Hunter Had a better 40 than Watt, the Bosa's, JPP, Allen. Tied Peppers. Dies he need to improve flexibility and bend, yes. Does change of direction need work, yes. But to say he has average speed is flat out wrong. The pretty average comment was about Obada. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noacls Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 (edited) Sorry about repost^ @ GunnerBill got ya Edited April 30, 2021 by noacls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 1 minute ago, LDD said: His highlight reels seem to show a really good ability to pursue the QB after he steps up in the pocket. Lots of guys seem to be able to create the edge then can't get back to make the play on the QB. Looks like this kid can. Yep. That stands out on his film. 3 minutes ago, Doc said: Don’t have time to wade through the thread. Is there anywhere that McBeane talk about the pick? Beane did a presser last night. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 23 minutes ago, Sundancer said: His highlight reel shows him keeping lineman at bay and leaving them to tackle RBs. This is something we desperately need. The QB pressures are a bonus. 15.5 sacks at The U...if he had that last year, he's gone before pick 10. Only thing that got him to 30 was taking a year off to skip Covid play. I’m not too excited about the 15.5 sack number. It wasn’t like he got many against quality opponents. Or that the U played many quality opponents. Here is his game log: Schedule I wonder if he will be able to be effective against pro OGs and OTs doing the same things he did in college. I’d think so, but not to the same degree of success. He’s so raw that it’s a big projection and I don’t see much that gives me hope that he is the kind of guy that will put in the work. His lack of prep for his pro day is part of that. Ditto his opt out. I don’t buy the “if he had played in 2020 he’d have been a top 10 pick” line either. Not at all. He just doesn’t have all of the tools for that. His COD is awful (14th percentile) so he won’t ever be able to bend the edge. He also has a pretty pedestrian get off. Players like that aren’t getting into the top 10 very often. He’s a guy that is going to have to win with his length. He’s going to play the edge on run downs and to contain running QBs and he will drop inside to rush the passer. Actually I think he can be a big help anywhere on the DL vs QBs like Lamar. I think that he can have success in the NFL in those roles if he can develop. Honestly, it’s the fawning over the pick and unrealistic expectations by a lot of fans that I am arguing against here more than anything. I get being a fan, but it feels like Shaq Lawson all over again. So many thought he was Mario’s direct replacement and said the same kinds of things about him. I hope Rousseau kills it here and makes me eat my words. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 Just saw this. Wilson knew. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 (edited) Apologies if a repost. Edit: Doesn't break down a lot of games, but pretty accurate projection from the Fall - says he is a project who could go around 30. Somewhat down on him just from this film and opinion that he went up against subpar offensive line talent. Edited April 30, 2021 by JohnBonhamRocks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheJauronClap Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 This guys plays so much better inside and I think that’s why the bills ultimately took him they see it. Edge is tough he needs a lot of work technically Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Just saw this. Wilson knew. Haha he looks so little kid lost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, LDD said: His highlight reels seem to show a really good ability to pursue the QB after he steps up in the pocket. Lots of guys seem to be able to create the edge then can't get back to make the play on the QB. Looks like this kid can. Yep. An under-rated skill for a pass rusher. Mobile QB’s will not move around the pocket all day against this guy. His inspector gadget arms and ability to close are what stand out. If he was playing Addison’s role against Arizona, there no way Murray even gets off the Hail Mary. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 6 minutes ago, Doc said: Don’t have time to wade through the thread. Is there anywhere that McBeane talk about the pick? Oh sure, now you trust Brandon Beane over us ? 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Just saw this. Wilson knew. Hahaha. He does seriously look like he hasn't hit puberty yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 5 hours ago, Warcodered said: wait seriously did that happen? He definitely fell after landing on his vertical jump... It's not unusually for guys to land akwardley. I read someone say he slipped on the 3 cone. I can't verify if that was metaphorical or literal. As for his 40, 4.68 and the best 10 second split is still elite. Even if Phillips beat his time. He ran faster than JPP and Bruce Smith for Christ sakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 Anyone just happen to notice Melissa Starks absentmindedly forgot to wear underwear??😳 How can anybody be so forgetful??🤷♂️ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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