BADOLBILZ Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 6 hours ago, dave mcbride said: Carlos Basham Jr. He has the size profile (6'4" " and 280 lb) and athleticism that matches what the Bills want from their DEs. He is versatile (able to play in and out), hasn't gotten hurt, and has been consistently productive. I tend to agree with the draft network guys who see him as duplicitous with the other seemingly limited ceiling pass rushers Addison and Epenesa that they already have. At DE in a 4-3........if you're juice-less you're useless. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelius Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 Calling that we trade back. A couple of offensive players always slide and CBs and DEs are always coveted. Not wanting to pick through that wreckage McBeane decide to trade back. Honorable mention that we go best WR available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 (edited) 12 hours ago, DJB said: Asante Samuel is my guess. Newsome if he lasts would also work. Both these two corners can play off and thrive in zone. I think far from thriving Samuel struggles in zone. I am going to call my shot and say Etienne. I came out of Beane's presser last week thinking it was corner to start now, edge or receiver to start later or Travis Etienne. So given the Etienne buzz I will stick with that. My second / third guesses would be Jayson Oweh and Joseph Ossai. Edited April 27, 2021 by GunnerBill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 44 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I think far from thriving Samuel struggles in zone. I am going to call my shot and say Etienne. I came out of Beane's presser last week thinking it was corner to start now, edge or receiver to start later or Travis Etienne. So given the Etienne buzz I will stick with that. My second / third guesses would be Jayson Oweh and Joseph Ossai. I don't like what the Bills have to give up to get Etienne. It's not a running back league anymore and that position is serverly devalued. We really need only to be serviceable at the position. I believe the O line and scheme had much to do with the Bills poor running attack. I think with Moss, Motor, Brieda, better blocking, and better run schemes the Bills running attack can be ok. This team will ride Allen and it's receivers. Imho, Etienne is not worth the price for the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 3 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: At DE in a 4-3........if you're juice-less you're useless. I'm definitely stealing this as a category for my draft spreadsheet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 10 hours ago, dave mcbride said: Carlos Basham Jr. He has the size profile (6'4" " and 280 lb) and athleticism that matches what the Bills want from their DEs. He is versatile (able to play in and out), hasn't gotten hurt, and has been consistently productive. Seriously doubt Basham has the football character they look for. He’s widely seen as underachieving and entitled - not their type of player. All of this reminds me - where the &$@$” is @thebandit27 ? I miss his annual predictions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 I trust Beane/McD no matter who they finally draft. Drafting at 30th is tough one because so many top players will be gone. My thinking is trading up for a supposed RB is all smoke and if they truly are thinking of trading up to #20 or so its for a CB/DE Edge rusher. I wouldn't be upset should the Bills draft a RB either. I also wonder what a guy like TE Zach Ertz would do for the Bills offense, provided he is fully healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 14 hours ago, Special K said: No one....I see a trade down to pick up an extra early third round pick. Wuss. 🤪🏈. Just like you K to take the easy way out. Seriously, you might be right. Ill follow Logic’s direction and say Ettiene. 13 hours ago, Logic said: Nope. I know that guessing who a team will draft is pretty tough when said team is picking 30th, but that's the game. Sim Sala Bim oh great one the magnificent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 57 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Seriously doubt Basham has the football character they look for. He’s widely seen as underachieving and entitled - not their type of player. All of this reminds me - where the &$@$” is @thebandit27 ? I miss his annual predictions. I believe both Bandit and Kirby left in the covid wars over on PPP. A loss to the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 1 hour ago, newcam2012 said: I don't like what the Bills have to give up to get Etienne. It's not a running back league anymore and that position is serverly devalued. We really need only to be serviceable at the position. I believe the O line and scheme had much to do with the Bills poor running attack. I think with Moss, Motor, Brieda, better blocking, and better run schemes the Bills running attack can be ok. This team will ride Allen and it's receivers. Imho, Etienne is not worth the price for the Bills. I don't really disagree. I don't see the value in a back in round 1 (although I do put at least as much blame for our running struggles on the two backs as I do the blocking - they were as bad as each other to my eye). My prediction of Etienne is not what I'd do. I am starting to believe it might be what the Bills do based on Beane's own words. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 The more I think about it a WR makes sense. Bease and Emu are 32 and 34 and after that we have Gabe , Kumerow plus McKittrick and a couple of unprovens in Hodges and Gentry. So I say BWRA(best WR available) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 5 minutes ago, JMF2006 said: The more I think about it a WR makes sense. Bease and Emu are 32 and 34 and after that we have Gabe , Kumerow plus McKittrick and a couple of unprovens in Hodges and Gentry. So I say BWRA(best WR available) Our DEs are old too... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The BLUES Brothers Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 a DE is what I believe the brain trust wants but switching to the CB first especially if Newsome is available... In the past, after the draft - Bills PR used to show footage of the War Room banter during some of the picks - Hope they do that again! . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsPride12 Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 It's really amazing after last season ended I thought there would be very few possibilities where they would be going for the first round pick in the draft this year but here we are 2 days out and the possibilities are endless. There's so many different ways they can go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 (edited) 16 hours ago, Logic said: Okay, okay. I get it. I think a trade-down or trade-up is a reasonable possibility, too. What I'm trying to ask here, though, is who do you think they'll take with their first pick? Pretend I didn't say "who will they pick in the 1st round", but instead said "Who will be their first selection". This is a player prognostication exercise. A potential pro player prognostication proposal? Piquant proposition! Um, Humphrey. I don't have any confidence in that. My best guess, honestly, is Tryon, but you already took him. I was very tempted by Oweh and Rousseau as well, but I guess I think they end up trading back because the top four at CB and DE are each gone. Jeez. EDIT: Dammit, Oweh. Edited April 27, 2021 by Thurman#1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First Round Bust Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 edge or CB in that order - hoping for 5.5 sacks if its an edge guy or a mid-season starter it its a CB with improved play over Levi Wallace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 3 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I believe both Bandit and Kirby left in the covid wars over on PPP. A loss to the board. There were covid wars on PPP? I am so glad I never check it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 Just now, dave mcbride said: There were covid wars on PPP? I am so glad I never check it. The right wing troll army took over PPP several years ago and it’s become a real cesspool. That said, I didn’t think Bandit got caught up in those convos. Could be wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 8 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: I tend to agree with the draft network guys who see him as duplicitous with the other seemingly limited ceiling pass rushers Addison and Epenesa that they already have. At DE in a 4-3........if you're juice-less you're useless. I really don’t know a ton about him but have read that his athleticism is above average. He was productive, and his size is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: There were covid wars on PPP? I am so glad I never check it. I never go on there either but that is what I was told. Just now, dave mcbride said: I really don’t know a ton about him but have read that his athleticism is above average. He was productive, and his size is good. He was productive by overpowering tackles that will not sniff the league. He doesn't have elite explosion, or elite hands, or a lot of refined technical pass rush moves. I don't know how he wins at the NFL level. I think he can be a solid starting edge who will play the run well and give you 3-5 sacks a year in clean up situations but I don't see a guy who will win often in pass rush situations. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont Stop Billeiving Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 Greg Newsome II. Has 4.38 speed, led the FBS in passer rating against (15.77), and only allowed one completion of 10+ yard downfield in 2020. Fingers crossed he makes it to #30. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 Just now, Dont Stop Billeiving said: Greg Newsome II. Has 4.38 speed, led the FBS in passer rating against (15.77), and only allowed one completion of 10+ yard downfield in 2020. Fingers crossed he makes it to #30. I would love to get him but it's looking increasingly likely that they'll have to make a move up to get him. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 3 minutes ago, ExWNYer said: I would love to get him but it's looking increasingly likely that they'll have to make a move up to get him. Yep. Gonna require a trade up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 When I mocked Newsome to us in my first mock in February it caused uproar.... now I think it would be greeted with pretty much delight! 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: When I mocked Newsome to us in my first mock in February it caused uproar.... now I think it would be greeted with pretty much delight! Except by the 'Etienne or Bust' crowd. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: When I mocked Newsome to us in my first mock in February it caused uproar.... now I think it would be greeted with pretty much delight! Very true Bill.....the term "like a glove" comes to mind when linking Newsome and the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 I think I'd prefer a CB if they stay at 30, but I suspect that they're going to try to take some pressure off Allen and upgrade their running game with a RB or maybe even an interior OL. Given that, I'm saying Najee Harris at 30 or Javonte Williams if they trade back from 30 into R2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 4 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I believe both Bandit and Kirby left in the covid wars over on PPP. A loss to the board. You gotta' be kidding me. There is no good reason for anyone to ever go in there.......the first time is as bad of a decision as drafting a RB in round 1. Agree on Basham, IMO he projects closer to a Courtney Upshaw impact than a Melvin Ingram ceiling on the Shaq-ometer of limited pass rushers. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 (edited) 29 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: You gotta' be kidding me. There is no good reason for anyone to ever go in there.......the first time is as bad of a decision as drafting a RB in round 1. Agree on Basham, IMO he projects closer to a Courtney Upshaw impact than a Melvin Ingram ceiling on the Shaq-ometer of limited pass rushers. Shaq-o-meter - love it! (And the joke about 1st round RBs!) That said, he at least measures as more athletic than Shaq. He was apparently timed at 4.59 or 4.62, which is pretty darn fast for a big man. Still, lots of doubts about him: https://primetimesportstalk.com/2021/04/26/2021-nfl-draft-scouting-report-carlos-basham/. Edited April 27, 2021 by dave mcbride 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 24 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Shaq-o-meter - love it! (And the joke about 1st round RBs!) That said, he at least measures as more athletic than Shaq. He was apparently timed at 4.59 or 4.62, which is pretty darn fast for a big man. Still, lots of doubts about him: https://primetimesportstalk.com/2021/04/26/2021-nfl-draft-scouting-report-carlos-basham/. Yeah he's not a 1:1 match with Shaq physically but he falls in that range of guys whose sum of parts just don't add up to be effective pass rushers. Also I am taking these pro day times with two grains this year........I'm thinking there was some truly excessive fudgery with a lot of these #'s.....and if your school wasn't cheating for you in this environment they probably weren't trying. The NFL ain't complaining.........there is a huge amount of interest in a draft where the injury brigade already projects to start coming off the board in the middle of round 1. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMannn Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 Etienne!! I'm convinced it's D, I can talk myself into D-line or CB, even a LB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 I think they will take a CB at #30. Not sure which one, but I believe CB will have the BPA at #30, AND the potential to have the biggest impact this year as a starter in the CB#2 spot. After that, if not a CB, then I believe it will be a RB. I had been thinking Harris the last couple of months, but now Beane's smokescreens are working on me and I can see them making a play for Etienne too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 So what are the chances Phillips makes it to 20? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estro Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 If Kwity Paye makes it to #21 I can envision a scenario where the Bills trade up with the Colts, who love to trade down & who also dotn currently have a 3rd round pick. The cost would be this years 3rd and 5th round pick......or this years 3rd and next years 4th, which Ballard would probably prefer. Colts probably feel they can get one of the T prospects @ #30 that they like (Liam Eichenberg) & I took the news yesterday that the Bills were looking to trade up for Etienne as a sign perhaps there's a pass rusher they might want to come up for. I think Kwity Paye seems to make sense. I'd put Jaelan Phillips in that category too but his concussion history makes me think he wouldn't be a Bills pick. BILLS select Kwity Paye with the 21st pick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 I have no opinion other than I hope for a LB or DE. If BPA is a RB, I'd be happy with that too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 Tough one... I’m thinking Greg Newsome,CB - Northwestern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 Starting to have a gut feeling that Gregory Rousseau will be the pick unless someone unexpectedly slides. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 1 minute ago, DCOrange said: Starting to have a gut feeling that Gregory Rousseau will be the pick unless someone unexpectedly slides. Not gonna tip my final mock v3.0 which will be out Thursday morning UK time, but I have Rousseau still on the board when the Bills go on the clock for the first time... and I am starting to think it is very possible he is.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, DCOrange said: Starting to have a gut feeling that Gregory Rousseau will be the pick unless someone unexpectedly slides. Take some Tums and call me in the morning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melon Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 Freiermuth in the 2nd after someone trades up for our pick 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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