David Njoku, TE Browns, on the trading block...

[HailMary]

With other NFC teams showing interest there’s little chance Browns would send him to Bills for mid to late round pick when they can get that somewhere else. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, Victory Formation said:

I think you would have to put Edmunds in Milano’s old position and Collins would play in Edmunds old spot.

 

Yeah, the Bills didn't just re-up Milano to have Edmunds bump him off the field and replace Edmunds with a rookie.

[Victory Formation]

Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Yeah, the Bills didn't just re-up Milano to have Edmunds bump him off the field and replace Edmunds with a rookie.

I agree. I was just playing with Solomon’s idea. I don’t see it happening either.

[Frat-Train]

Do you guys remember when I hijacked this whole thread with a fruitless mentioning of he who should not be named?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

PepperidgeFarms remembers... 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

7 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Sometimes all it takes is a change of scenery. Remember Jerry Hughes was a “meh” player in Indy. 

 

Fair. 

 

But I don't think we traded him for a draft pick and what would be, I think, the 15th highest salary, in a cap-strapped year.

[Mat68]

I would take him in a sec.  Big and athletic.  In our offense he would be very good.  Imo he just needs targets.  Im very high on him.  Imo seems the change of coaching staffs caused him to fall out of favor.  Not "their guy" type of thing.  

[whatdrought]

Isn't he an athletic TE who isn't a blocker and can't seem to put it all together? I'm not sure there are reps for another one of those round these parts...

[Rocky Landing]

2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Yeah, it's going to be interesting to see if the Bills pick up his option or not.  Some defensive teammates in interviews have mentioned him as the leader on D.  McDermott acknowledged mid-season they need more difference-making plays from him, but he, Frazier, and Beane still speak very positively about him.

 

May 5th (I think) is the deadline for the Bills picking up his 5th year option, which I believe is fully guaranteed on that day.  That's gonna indicate more about how the Bills truly see him, than all the talky-talking they do.

I would bet money that they pick up his 5th year option. Actual money.

[LittleSammy]

4 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Dude has been on the trade block most of his career.

My wife says the same thing about me, but I'm still here!

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

4 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

Throw in Sherlock Holmes and you have yourself a deal!

Cheer up, kid!  You might like Cleveland!

Edited April 11, 2021 by Ridgewaycynic2013

[RunTheBall]

This is your regularly scheduled reminder that Edmunds isn’t going anywhere.

 

McBeane love them some Tremaine. They are willing to tolerate his almost complete lack of gap awareness for what he offers in defending the passing lanes in McD’s zone defense. This is way more important to McD than stuffing the run. Not that I agree, but it explains why you haven’t seen him moved to OLB and why they will 100% pick up his 5th year. I loved the pick, I wish he developed into the player I still think he could be but I’m rapidly losing faith. This year is a make or break for his long term outlook but the 5th year option will be picked up regardless.

 

 

[Greatdane21]

6th or 7th rounder 

[Mat68]

1 hour ago, RunTheBall said:

This is your regularly scheduled reminder that Edmunds isn’t going anywhere.

 

McBeane love them some Tremaine. They are willing to tolerate his almost complete lack of gap awareness for what he offers in defending the passing lanes in McD’s zone defense. This is way more important to McD than stuffing the run. Not that I agree, but it explains why you haven’t seen him moved to OLB and why they will 100% pick up his 5th year. I loved the pick, I wish he developed into the player I still think he could be but I’m rapidly losing faith. This year is a make or break for his long term outlook but the 5th year option will be picked up regardless.

 

 

The dude is still only 22.  Will be 23 when the season starts.  2 so what probowls.  He isnt done getting better imo.  Leonard is 3 years older at 25 and 26.  I think Edmunds will be a destroyer at 25 and 26.  

[PrimeTime101]

6 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

We don’t have a 4th but I’d throw them a 7th

a 7th? lol

[RyanC883]

8 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I think you kind of answered your own question.  Njoku got pushed to #3 on the Browns TE lineup by the upgrade they felt they needed (Hooper) and a 4th round rookie Bryant.

 

Difference makers don't get "swallowed up by the offensive depth" at TE, especially when that depth is not stunningly productive - Bryant had 238 yds on 38 targets, 24 receptions and Hooper had his worst offensive productivity since his rookie season with 46 receptions on 70 targets for 435 yds.

 

Njoku really had one promising year to my view of those statistics, his 2nd.  The Bills already did the experiment of paying $$ to a "buried on the depth chart" guy who had one good season, with Tyler Kroft.

 

If the question is "What #3 TE in his 4th season who played on a contending team last year can we pick up as an audition for a long-term contract?" the answer is already on our roster, we didn't have to trade for him, he didn't cost us $6M cap, and he's previously accustomed to catching stuff Allen flings in his general direction.

 

Good point about getting swallowed up by a rookie.  But I think Hooper did not have a great year.  Perhaps Mayfield is not a TE friendly QB. ?   I’d still take a stab ar him with a 6th.  

[RunTheBall]

2 hours ago, Mat68 said:

The dude is still only 22.  Will be 23 when the season starts.  2 so what probowls.  He isnt done getting better imo.  Leonard is 3 years older at 25 and 26.  I think Edmunds will be a destroyer at 25 and 26.  

I hope so, and I haven’t given up on him. I would have liked to have seen a bit more improvement from him after 3 years. If he would just catch a couple of those balls that hit him right in the chest we wouldn’t even be having the discussion. It holds true that his run defense needs to improve though, both in gap awareness and shedding blocks. I don’t think we should trade or get rid of him.

[RyanC883]

another thought:  will CLE cut him if there are no offers??  

[Hapless Bills Fan]

57 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

another thought:  will CLE cut him if there are no offers??  

They might.  I don’t think he’s got dead money.  Save $6M

[Arm of Harm]

7 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Sometimes all it takes is a change of scenery. Remember Jerry Hughes was a “meh” player in Indy. 

 

Jerry Hughes is a "meh" player right now.

[BarleyNY]

56 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

another thought:  will CLE cut him if there are no offers??  

No.  He is on his 5th year option which is now fully guaranteed.  He would not be cut anyway as he’s got a role on the team.  The Browns are not actively shopping him anyway, it was just speculation.  He was named as part of a player for player trade that didn’t happen (Gilmore, NE) though.  Also I doubt the Browns care to get a 2021 mid round pick for a player as they’ve got 9 picks already - and he will net them a late comp pick eventually.  Sure, the Browns would trade him for a decent return, but they aren’t looking to dump him for next to nothing.

[billsfan89]

For a 5th round pick or lower I would like it. Gives Josh another weapon to work with. It isn't an Earth shattering move but it adds another complementary target for Josh. I would prefer Ertz but Njoku is younger and cheaper cap wise. I don't see the Earth shattering move at TE. Pitts is a massive gamble as the draft capital needed to move up would be very steep for a TE whose impact might not be there year one. Ertz at his best is dynamic but he is a bit older and coming off a banged up season anyone else like Njoku is a project with pros and cons. 

 

TLDR would prefer Ertz but Njoku at a cheap price isn't too bad.

[CSBill]

Considering cost, productivity, over-all ability, etc., I would still take Jessie James over him.

[hjnick]

Between other FA TE's and getting Ertz, I'd have to give up almost nothing to get Njoku.

[YoloinOhio]

4 hours ago, PrimeTime101 said:

a 7th? lol

Too much? Make it a conditional 7th in 2022.

[dma0034]

2 hours ago, CSBill said:

Considering cost, productivity, over-all ability, etc., I would still take Jessie James over him.

 

Dude is so over-rated even when he was a Pro Bowler. 

 

 

Njoku seems like a nice low risk high reward player. Bills pass more than the Browns and I think he would do much better.

[Tipster19]

I would love to see the Bills acquire Njoku, he’d be a great addition. Imo he has nothing but upside all while being so young. I feel that he got himself into Cleveland’s dog house (no pun intended) and never got himself out of it. The Bills wouldn’t need him to block at all, he just needs to be the athletic pass catching TE that he is. 
 

Of course if the Bills did trade for Njoku then re-signing him to a salary cap friendly contract would be a must. That shouldn’t be an issue, Njoku has wanted to get out of Cleveland for quite some time now. Trade compensation could come in various forms, one being if the Bills were give up a 3rd rd pick (#93) and swap their 5th rd pick (#161) for Njoku and Cleveland’s 4th rd pick (#132). It equates basically to giving up a late 3rd rd pick for Njoku and a mid 6th rd pick. 

[Putin]

14 hours ago, BuffaloRebound said:

I’d rather have Ertz.  Good thing is njoku being available probably hurts Eagles in their quest to get a 3rd for Ertz.  

Maybe Bill Belicheat is not done and wants to go 3 TE sets ?? 

[hjnick]

With Knox in the fold and we traded away our best blocking TE, I would rather get a great blocking TE rather than focusing on another pass catching TE.

 

I know I'd rather find one that does both (we all do), but if we want our running game to perform better, the OLine will probably need some real help, ie. a great blocking TE.  I'm sure there is a good blocking TE somewhere in the draft or unsigned draft pick.

 

As long as the dude can roll out 2-3 times a game and catch the ball, then every other time he is in there he is making a difference blocking for our RB's (or Josh), then I think he is more valuable than Njoku.

Edited April 12, 2021 by hjnick

[njbuff]

7 hours ago, Tipster19 said:

I would love to see the Bills acquire Njoku, he’d be a great addition. Imo he has nothing but upside all while being so young. I feel that he got himself into Cleveland’s dog house (no pun intended) and never got himself out of it. The Bills wouldn’t need him to block at all, he just needs to be the athletic pass catching TE that he is. 
 

Of course if the Bills did trade for Njoku then re-signing him to a salary cap friendly contract would be a must. That shouldn’t be an issue, Njoku has wanted to get out of Cleveland for quite some time now. Trade compensation could come in various forms, one being if the Bills were give up a 3rd rd pick (#93) and swap their 5th rd pick (#161) for Njoku and Cleveland’s 4th rd pick (#132). It equates basically to giving up a late 3rd rd pick for Njoku and a mid 6th rd pick. 

 

Bills would not have to give up a 3rd rounder to get Njoku.

 

Beane knows that is WAY TOO MUCH for somebody that only offers potential right now.

[Orlando Tim]

I just looked at spotrac and his salary is 6 million this year and I feel we can do more with 6 million elsewhere. I would rather see what Knox and Hollister can do than send 6 million right now him.

[BarleyNY]

39 minutes ago, njbuff said:

 

Bills would not have to give up a 3rd rounder to get Njoku.

 

Beane knows that is WAY TOO MUCH for somebody that only offers potential right now.

Yup. He’s in no man’s land wrt trades.  Teams won’t give up a high enough pick to make it worth it to the Browns to trade him.  Not with one year at $6M on his deal.  The only things that make sense is if a team would be looking to sign him long term (which I don’t see happening) or a player for player deal.  And that’s not happening with the Bills because they’ve got the same top needs - Edge, CB2, speed X, DT - as the Browns.  If the Bills were flush with CBs and had a decent one on the bench on the last year of his contract it might make sense, but I can’t see any fit.

 

That all said, Njoku would very much help the Bills and would be the best TE on the roster the day he was added to it.  He’d be a guy I’d look at next offseason when he’s a FA if the need still exists. 

Edited April 12, 2021 by BarleyNY

[Solomon Grundy]

13 hours ago, Arm of Harm said:

 

Jerry Hughes is a "meh" player right now.

I think adding a Geno Atkins or another interior disruptive type lineman will help Hughes production. Too many times last season I’d see Jerry beat his man on the outside to see the QB step up in the pocket to avoid his rush and either scramble for yardage or complete a pass. The Bills need to push the pocket from the interior.

[Just Joshin']

How many years before "potential" is replaced by results?  His performance has been poor the last 2 years.  He is not worth even a low pick and $6 million.

 

If cut and would sign for vet min, then interested.

[Bangarang]

13 hours ago, CSBill said:

Considering cost, productivity, over-all ability, etc., I would still take Jessie James over him.

Jesse James is what he is. There’s really no upside with him. 

Edited April 12, 2021 by Bangarang

[FarrellsFinest]

Why are so many Bills fans so ready to trade Tremaine Edmonds?? 22 year old 2x pro bowl LB who best days are ahead of him.  Its odd to say the least. 

[Bangarang]

18 minutes ago, FarrellsFinest said:

Why are so many Bills fans so ready to trade Tremaine Edmonds?? 22 year old 2x pro bowl LB who best days are ahead of him.  Its odd to say the least. 

The Pro Bowl is a joke. Even Tyrod managed to make 2 Pro Bowls. And we literally don’t know if his heat days are ahead of him. I haven’t seen any strong arguments to trade him though and I certainly wouldn’t give him a big money contract extension either. 

[4BillsintheBurgh]

8 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

Yup. He’s in no man’s land wrt trades.  Teams won’t give up a high enough pick to make it worth it to the Browns to trade him.  Not with one year at $6M on his deal.  The only things that make sense is if a team would be looking to sign him long term (which I don’t see happening) or a player for player deal.  And that’s not happening with the Bills because they’ve got the same top needs - Edge, CB2, speed X, DT - as the Browns.  If the Bills were flush with CBs and had a decent one on the bench on the last year of his contract it might make sense, but I can’t see any fit.

 

That all said, Njoku would very much help the Bills and would be the best TE on the roster the day he was added to it.  He’d be a guy I’d look at next offseason when he’s a FA if the need still exists. 

Would you trade him for Knox? 

[FarrellsFinest]

5 hours ago, Bangarang said:

The Pro Bowl is a joke. Even Tyrod managed to make 2 Pro Bowls. And we literally don’t know if his heat days are ahead of him. I haven’t seen any strong arguments to trade him though and I certainly wouldn’t give him a big money contract extension either. 

Just curious. Who do you think was better at 22. Milano or Edmonds? And are you upset with Matt Milano's

[LABILLBACKER]

I'd give Cleveland a 5th for him but he's not worth $6M. Have to renegotiate his contract. Njoku (24) healthy and Knox would make a very serviceable duo. 

[JaCrispy]

7 hours ago, FarrellsFinest said:

Why are so many Bills fans so ready to trade Tremaine Edmonds?? 22 year old 2x pro bowl LB who best days are ahead of him.  Its odd to say the least. 

I’d be willing to trade just about anyone if the offer was right...Edmunds, certainly, isn’t some world beater the Bills can’t do without, like Allen...I would take a first round pick in a heartbeat...