Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 43 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: This is in about 8 games, after Olsen got injured. Didn't see many offensive snaps in the rest. Basically he was a "fringe" starter for Seattle - PS his first 6 games in 2019, #2 or #3 TE in 2020 after Seattle signed former all-pro Olsen. He's not the TE upgrade I hoped the Bills were looking for, but he's probably 80% of Kroft at 20% of Kroft's salary. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PRBills Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 (edited) Imo this is absolutely the quality of player that we needed. Would an elite TE be nice to have? Sure, but the ball can only be put into so many play-makers hands. This offense is loaded at receiver. I think a versatile HB/TE with receiving abilities is exactly what this offense was lacking. I feel like we have been obsessing over TE when in reality our running game is what needs to be upgraded the most. im happy about this pick up and am excited to see what he brings to the table. Welcome to Buffalo Mr Hollister Edited March 19, 2021 by PRBills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 How they heck do you get Jacob Hollister confused with Sammy Watkins? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxcar Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 Just now, PRBills said: Imo this is absolutely the quality of player that we needed. Would an elite TE be nice to have? Sure, but the ball can only be put into so many play-makers hands. This offense is loaded at receiver. I think a versatile HB/TE with receiving abilities is exactly what this offense was lacking. I feel like we have been obsessing over TE when in reality our running game is what needs to be upgraded the most. im happy about this pick up and am excited to see what her brings to the table. Welcome to Buffalo Mr Hollister Hollister helps with the running game, too. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 46 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said: In 2019, his best season, he had 41 catches for 349 yards and 3 TD's. Which would be a big upgrade over Smith. That was in 10 games, for reference. Spent the first 6 games on the PS. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 Just now, NewEra said: And some people just like to pretend that they know it all by looking at stats. No I saw him play and he definitely lost some steps. Granted yes Wentz lost confidence in himself and he regressed badly but that still doesn’t change the fact that Ertz is starting to decline himself and that he was the third best TE on that Eagles team last year. You guys want him because he’s a big name and because of what he did 3 years ago. I’m glad your not in charge of the Front office 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PRBills Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 Just now, Boxcar said: Hollister helps with the running game, too. Kind of the point i was trying to make. All around a good pickup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: This is in about 8 games, after Olsen got injured. Didn't see many offensive snaps in the rest. Basically he was a "fringe" starter for Seattle - PS his first 6 games in 2019, #2 or #3 TE in 2020 after Seattle signed former all-pro Olsen. He's not the TE upgrade I hoped the Bills were looking for, but he's probably 80% of Kroft at 20% of Kroft's salary. TE market has been red hot... Might be more expensive than you think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 7 minutes ago, PRBills said: Imo this is absolutely the quality of player that we needed. Would an elite TE be nice to have? Sure, but the ball can only be put into so many play-makers hands. This offense is loaded at receiver. I think a versatile HB/TE with receiving abilities is exactly what this offense was lacking. I feel like we have been obsessing over TE when in reality our running game is what needs to be upgraded the most. im happy about this pick up and am excited to see what he brings to the table. Welcome to Buffalo Mr Hollister He may help there? In the running game, I think he's a better blocker than Dawson Knox, who can block OK when it's clear who he's supposed to block but who seems easily confused about his actual blocking assignment (or stunted around) 5 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: No I saw him play and he definitely lost some steps. Granted yes Wentz lost confidence in himself and he regressed badly but that still doesn’t change the fact that Ertz is starting to decline himself and that he was the third best TE on that Eagles team last year. You guys want him because he’s a big name and because of what he did 3 years ago. I’m glad your not in charge of the Front office I think some people believe Ertz may have been making "career decisions" and kind of discouraged by the play around him and it's more about that then him losing a step. The thing is, that can get to be a habit 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 28 minutes ago, krf139 said: Everyone claimed Josh had no talent around him at Wyoming to justify his meh college stats, so nobody should be happy to bring in anyone he played with. Pretty sure that was about his starting talent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevestojan Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 Sorry, just saw this signing and too lazy to read 7 pages. Can he block? by the way, he’s got great hair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: TE market has been red hot... Might be more expensive than you think He might be. We'll see. He earned $3.2M with the Seasnakes last year - they gave him a second-round tender! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 30 minutes ago, krf139 said: Everyone claimed Josh had no talent around him at Wyoming to justify his meh college stats, so nobody should be happy to bring in anyone he played with. Dig a little deeper on your research and the numbers Josh put up in his final year vs the year he was playing with these fringe NFL players he had NO NFL talent around him in that final year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 Meh... We need to get better, as Beane said at the EoS presser, we aren't an SB team. Resigning our own and fringe FAs doesn't do that either. Drafting 2 spots from the end of each round does not get us there either. Uninspiring... I get Philly wanted a 3 for Ertz, but perhaps we should have signed someone better than this stiff if we wanted an upgrade. I get it is 1 year, but he doesn't move the needle at all = worthless 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndonvilleBill Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: He might be. We'll see. He earned $3.2M with the Seasnakes last year - they gave him a second-round tender! The way Beanes been dealing???? Probably 2.5m or less.. ...😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: I think this is the key! The Bills used a ton of H Back block action with Knox and he struggled and could not use his athleticism. I think now you have a better H back (smith was not athletic enough to do this) and then when you want Knox - you can line him up more traditional TE role to allow the athletic nature come out. Knox becomes your new version of Ertz to threaten the defense. Hollister plays H back and slides out for catches. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Logic said: 6’4”, 245 LBs. 27 years old. Played with Allen at Wyoming. As long as this isn’t the only move at tight end, I support it. He looks like a younger, cheaper Kroft replacement. Knox, Hollister, Sweeney isn’t enough. I hope they still try to acquire Ertz or draft a guy. All of you guys worrying about the TE position crack me up. Knox will take an Allen-like jump this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: Meh... We need to get better, as Beane said at the EoS presser, we aren't an SB team. Resigning our own and fringe FAs doesn't do that either. Drafting 2 spots from the end of each round does not get us there either. Uninspiring... I get Philly wanted a 3 for Ertz, but perhaps we should have signed someone better than this stiff if we wanted an upgrade. I get it is 1 year, but he doesn't move the needle at all = worthless Might be onto the draft .....TE Day 2 option Edited March 19, 2021 by Aussie Joe 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Logic said: 6’4”, 245 LBs. 27 years old. Played with Allen at Wyoming. As long as this isn’t the only move at tight end, I support it. He looks like a younger, cheaper Kroft replacement. Knox, Hollister, Sweeney isn’t enough. I hope they still try to acquire Ertz or draft a guy. Knox, Hollister, Gilliam, Sweeney is a full room. It might not be as dynamic as we'd like, but it's a full room and a decent room. Probably a bit better than last year. Need to add a dynamic speed weapon somewhere, whether it's at RB, WR, or TE. And we need McKenzie back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxcar Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 12 minutes ago, PRBills said: Kind of the point i was trying to make. All around a good pickup Oh, sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 So it sounds like this guy has value as an H-back/FB. Something this offense sorely missed last year. It also sounds like he can add some depth behind Dawson Knox. Wouldn’t rule out Tommy Sweeney and I wouldn’t rule out a 4th TE. I’m hopeful that we can run some bigger sets next year, depth at TE is a must. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Doc Brown said: Boring. This reply is Boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 The Bills can field FOUR outstanding WR's that can get open on EVERY play. The TE position is needed to catch a few passes, while providing solid blocking. I am in the minority, as I believe in Knox's development as a real solid No. 1 TE (which is all the Bills need). What I was worried about is the depth at the position. Hollister can be a pretty good No. 2 guy as he is a good blocker and that is all the Bills need. But if you guys still want Ertz, I won't complain, but if the Bills are done at TE, I won't complain either. The Bills can win the SB with what they have in the TE room now. But I might be in the minority in believing this. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 1 hour ago, billsfan89 said: i think this move doesn’t stop the Bills from getting Ertz or another TE but it certainly gives them options. And that's what Beane does: fills all the holes with adequate players before the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 Seems to me that Hollister is enough so that Buffalo won't feel like they need to reach on a TE in the draft or give up a priority draft pick for a TE but not so good or expensive that it would prevent us from grabbing one if the price is right. I.e. Ertz for a 3rd round pick? No, but Ertz for a Day 3 pick or if Ertz gets cut? Sure. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 Might be a sneaky good addition when we look back. Good athlete. Comfortable with Josh. Tight Ends take awhile. Doubt he gets more than $2m. Worth a chance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, eball said: All of you guys worrying about the TE position crack me up. Knox will take an Allen-like jump this year. I hope you’re right. I’m a Knox believer. I’m a big fan of his. The only problem is that hope is not a strategy. If Knox DOESN’T take a third year leap (or, say, gets injured), then the cupboard is pretty bare at tight end at a time when the Bills championship window is wide open. I just want more talent added to the room. I also think that adding an effective in-line TE would free Knox up to be more of a move TE/matchup nightmare chess piece. Knox can break out AND the Bills can add talent at the position. It’s not “either/or”, it’s “Yes, and...”. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: Might be onto the draft .....TE Day 2 option Sure seems it. It would be nice to have added a piece or 2 to try to get over the top... Not hating on sanders either btw. Just question how much he moves the needle. We didn't punt much last year and perhaps he could have extended a few more drives, like 1 to 2 a game, but I'm not sure how much that improves us. Not being negative, just feels like swapping out marginal pieces thus far 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 55 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said: Three of the 4 are an upgrade to their position. Also, make no mistake that Starting LB, Starting RT and (likely starting G) swing Interior OL was addressed in free agency. Just because they signed during the week leading up to it shouldn't take them out of the mix. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 Meh. I hope they are still monitoring the Ertz situation or have a guy they like in the draft. the Buffalo Bills hate good TEs. Have we ever had a top 5 TE besides Lonnie Johnson? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 Signing Hollister does not preclude obtaining Ertz or some other high-skill TE. Lots of FAs don't make the final cut. That said, if Hollister can fill a role on the team, I wish him all the best. Just now, C.Biscuit97 said: Meh. I hope they are still monitoring the Ertz situation or have a guy they like in the draft. the Buffalo Bills hate good TEs. Have we ever had a top 5 TE besides Lonnie Johnson? Paul Costa? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 1 hour ago, 34-78-83 said: Hollister had some nice moments in Seattle. I like this get as a "1B" to Knox as he (hopefully) continues to develop consistency. Problem is, Knox isn’t a 1a and Hollister isn’t a 1b. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNY315 Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 5 minutes ago, njbuff said: The Bills can field FOUR outstanding WR's that can get open on EVERY play. The TE position is needed to catch a few passes, while providing solid blocking. I am in the minority, as I believe in Knox's development as a real solid No. 1 TE (which is all the Bills need). What I was worried about is the depth at the position. Hollister can be a pretty good No. 2 guy as he is a good blocker and that is all the Bills need. But if you guys still want Ertz, I won't complain, but if the Bills are done at TE, I won't complain either. The Bills can win the SB with what they have in the TE room now. But I might be in the minority in believing this. How many targets would another TE even get in this offense? Especially if Davis continues to develop 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokebball Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Rubes said: Best game for him last year was against the Bills... Every TE shined last year vs the Bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, Utah John said: Signing Hollister does not preclude obtaining Ertz or some other high-skill TE. Lots of FAs don't make the final cut. That said, if Hollister can fill a role on the team, I wish him all the best. Paul Costa? I had no idea who that was so I looked up his stats. Guy had 700+ yards receiving (impressive!) in 1967!!! Man, get a TE weapon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 1 minute ago, billsfan_34 said: Problem is, Knox isn’t a 1a and Hollister isn’t a 1b. When your WR group is very strong, you don't necessarily need a prime time TE. Knox can continue to develop into a solid starter, which is all the Bills need. A good blocking No. 2 TE that can catch a few passes is also a need and the Bills think they have that now in Hollister. I won't argue if you guys still want a dynamic player like Ertz, but the Bills WR position is so good, they really don't need Ertz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 1 hour ago, KGun12TD said: I guess Beane called the Eagles bluff? They called Beane's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 22 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: No I saw him play and he definitely lost some steps. Granted yes Wentz lost confidence in himself and he regressed badly but that still doesn’t change the fact that Ertz is starting to decline himself and that he was the third best TE on that Eagles team last year. You guys want him because he’s a big name and because of what he did 3 years ago. I’m glad your not in charge of the Front office You have no idea why I want him. You have no idea what you’re talking about. Beane wanted ertz......do you want him in the front office? What else have I said that makes you not want me in the FO? Let me guess, you have no idea, you just wanted to insult me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokebball Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 59 minutes ago, Logic said: Allen, Gentry, Hollister. It’s official: We’re re-creating the 2016 Wyoming Cowboys. I’m guessing our old BBMB friend WYO is a big fan of the move! I don't ever see the Allen Gentry connection working at this level. Allen Hollister? It could certainly happen. Hollister is a stud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, CNY315 said: How many targets would another TE even get in this offense? Especially if Davis continues to develop Could be a monster in the red zone. Besides David, we have small receivers and you saw in the playoffs teams can get physical with them. A big target in the middle of the field would have helped a ton. not giving up on Knox completely but this is by far the worst group (rbs is close) on the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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