Bangarang Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 42 minutes ago, That's No Moon said: I dunno. I don't like spending roster spots on special teams players that can only do one thing. IMO there should only be four players on the team that only have one job. Kicker, punter, long snapper and starting QB. Taiwan Jones is a special teams gunner and that's all. There's NOBODY else out there that can do that and also competently play a position? It's not like Jones is knocking it out of the box in a Steve Taskeresque way as a gunner either. Guys like Jones are so far down on the depth chart and they would not be seeing the field unless it were for special teams. That’s how it is for literally every other roster in the league. I don’t see the point on nit picking things like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayboy54 Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 Steve Tasker says hello. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 Just now, ScottLaw said: Almost had a TD last season if it wasn’t for that awful throw from Allen that hit him too hard in the chest. Cut Allen, Jones or both? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 5 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: We can't use the Patriots. We can't use the dollar amount spent. What can we use? I'm not actually sure... let me ask! I didn't know when I entered this thread I entered totalitarian regime... @FireChansis there any chance you could provide us with some clarity on what we can use here? Or are you just determined to make rules that make you right no matter what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 1 hour ago, FireChans said: This is lunacy. This is idiotic. Can someone point out what Super Bowl champion or hell, even recent contender, that dedicated this much money and effort to STers? It flies in the face of modern NFLdom. Rule changes have basically eliminated the return game. Why are we signing top end STers to prop up this phase, instead of dedicating more money to the other phases that actually matter? The ST coach’s job on a team that’s contending should be to coach up a bunch of cheap backups and late round draft picks into a decent unit. Not need dedicated gunners being signed to modest contracts. It’s upsetting to say the least. I sort of get where you come from. Less about the $$, more about the positional flexibility, for me. I would prefer to sign and pay guys that can play ST and offense or defense. just not worth it, IMO, to activate guys like Taiwan and Roberts, who provide nothing for you on offense, but eat up a game day roster spot. I’d rather have a bit of a drop off in ST talent for someone that provides more flexibility. That’s why I was hoping we would sign a guy like Burkhead rather that Tawain— Burkhead can get you meaningful touches on offense too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pennstate10 Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 1 hour ago, WMDman said: i mean it is 1/3 of the game... It's not 1/3 of the game. Thats like saying Canada has 1/3 the population of North America. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwater10 Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 1 hour ago, FireChans said: Please count how many snaps per game are played on special teams vs offense and defense. Thanks for playing. “Third of the game” is another tired dead cliche repeated by meat head boomer head coaches. Scott Norwood thanks you for forgetting... Really, it meant nothing, nothing at all. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnycage46 Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, pennstate10 said: It's not 1/3 of the game. Thats like saying Canada has 1/3 the population of North America. It's more like saying Canada accounts for 1/3 of the countries in North America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: In other News, Water is Still Wet. I called it with HBF yesterday lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stosh64 Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 1 hour ago, FireChans said: Please count how many snaps per game are played on special teams vs offense and defense. Thanks for playing. “Third of the game” is another tired dead cliche repeated by meat head boomer head coaches. Another fine example of the failure of our modern educational system. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Bangarang said: Guys like Jones are so far down on the depth chart and they would not be seeing the field unless it were for special teams. That’s how it is for literally every other roster in the league. I don’t see the point on nit picking things like this. The issue is having multiple O and D guys who are pretty un-playable at anything other than ST on the active roster every week. That part is tolerable........but the Bills have also paid a premium to get them in UFA in recent years. When you tie up 3-4 spots on vets who just play ST you limit your ability to develop players who can replace those that depart in UFA. That's where $2M too much for a ST only guy turns into having to pay $10M for a weak side LB because you didn't have one on a rookie contract ready to step in. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted March 18, 2021 Author Share Posted March 18, 2021 1 minute ago, stosh64 said: Another fine example of the failure of our modern educational system. The most ironic post of them all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 1 hour ago, FireChans said: This is lunacy. This is idiotic. Can someone point out what Super Bowl champion or hell, even recent contender, that dedicated this much money and effort to STers? It flies in the face of modern NFLdom. Rule changes have basically eliminated the return game. Why are we signing top end STers to prop up this phase, instead of dedicating more money to the other phases that actually matter? The ST coach’s job on a team that’s contending should be to coach up a bunch of cheap backups and late round draft picks into a decent unit. Not need dedicated gunners being signed to modest contracts. It’s upsetting to say the least. Lmao...Desmond Howard was Super Bowl MVP as a ST player. Another priceless but useless TSW hot take 🤣😂🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBills_88 Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 1 hour ago, The Governor said: It’s not as bad as claiming the RB position is good as is. That will probably get someone fired after next season. I believe it was the blocking scheme they ran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted March 18, 2021 Author Share Posted March 18, 2021 Just now, BADOLBILZ said: The issue is having multiple O and D guys who are pretty un-playable at anything other than ST on the active roster every week. That part is tolerable........but the Bills have also paid a premium to get them in UFA in recent years. When you tie up 3-4 spots on vets who just play ST you limit your ability to develop players who can replace those that depart in UFA. That's where $2M too much for a ST only guy turns into having to pay $10M for a weak side LB because you didn't have one on a rookie contract ready to step in. Maurice Alexander (yes he’s a real person) vs Wyatt Teller. Game, blouses. 1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said: Lmao...Desmond Howard was Super Bowl MVP as a ST player. Another priceless but useless TSW hot take 🤣😂🤣 Going back 25 years to make a point about the modern NFL >>>> 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 1 hour ago, uninja said: I’d rather look at teams like NE, Ravens and the Chiefs that have always had a good emphasis on special teams as teams you want to model yourself against. Good ST helps you win games. Bad ST can definitely lose you some games, see the Chargers as a terrific example of that. This is it- we won't win many games based on special but you can certainly lose them. Mckelvin comes to mind along with the NE game in 2019 with the blocked punt. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 4 minutes ago, FireChans said: Maurice Alexander (yes he’s a real person) vs Wyatt Teller. Game, blouses. Going back 25 years to make a point about the modern NFL >>>> The Patriots didn’t win Super Bowls 25 years ago...they won them recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 5 minutes ago, FireChans said: Maurice Alexander (yes he’s a real person) vs Wyatt Teller. He was a playa' tho.......as they used to call him in the lockeroom: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 1 hour ago, FireChans said: This is lunacy. This is idiotic. Can someone point out what Super Bowl champion or hell, even recent contender, that dedicated this much money and effort to STers? It flies in the face of modern NFLdom. Rule changes have basically eliminated the return game. Why are we signing top end STers to prop up this phase, instead of dedicating more money to the other phases that actually matter? The ST coach’s job on a team that’s contending should be to coach up a bunch of cheap backups and late round draft picks into a decent unit. Not need dedicated gunners being signed to modest contracts. It’s upsetting to say the least. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 Just now, Royale with Cheese said: The Patriots didn’t win Super Bowls 25 years ago...they won them recently. Chiefs too... I guess he didn’t like that example too much either... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPL Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: In other News, Water is Still Wet. The real debate here isn't whether paying for ST is a good strategy. The real debate is whether or not water is actually wet or just makes things wet. http://scienceline.ucsb.edu/getkey.php?key=6097 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 7 minutes ago, FireChans said: Maurice Alexander (yes he’s a real person) vs Wyatt Teller. Game, blouses. Going back 25 years to make a point about the modern NFL >>>> You’re agreeing with a guy that said a 25 year old running back is old. How difficult is it to understand that Taiwan Jones is also a running back. He’s a 3rd string RB and the many, if not most play special teams as well. You just never see him in the backfield because how often do both backs go down in a game? He’s your guy that can get you through a pinch. You’re having a toddler temper tantrum over something so small. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: You’re agreeing with a guy that said a 25 year old running back is old. How difficult is it to understand that Taiwan Jones is also a running back. He’s a 3rd string RB and the many, if not most play special teams as well. You just never see him in the backfield because how often do both backs go down in a game? He’s your guy that can get you through a pinch. You’re having a toddler temper tantrum over something so small. He plays special teams but he also gets open in the pass game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: In other News, Water is Still Wet. Are you sure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 1 hour ago, FireChans said: This is lunacy. This is idiotic. Can someone point out what Super Bowl champion or hell, even recent contender, that dedicated this much money and effort to STers? It flies in the face of modern NFLdom. Rule changes have basically eliminated the return game. Why are we signing top end STers to prop up this phase, instead of dedicating more money to the other phases that actually matter? The ST coach’s job on a team that’s contending should be to coach up a bunch of cheap backups and late round draft picks into a decent unit. Not need dedicated gunners being signed to modest contracts. It’s upsetting to say the least. I guess they must be paying Taiwan J directly out of your pocket Look at the Cheatriots they had that gunner Slater Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 6 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: He plays special teams but he also gets open in the pass game He can. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 1 hour ago, FireChans said: This is lunacy. This is idiotic. Can someone point out what Super Bowl champion or hell, even recent contender, that dedicated this much money and effort to STers? It flies in the face of modern NFLdom. Rule changes have basically eliminated the return game. Why are we signing top end STers to prop up this phase, instead of dedicating more money to the other phases that actually matter? The ST coach’s job on a team that’s contending should be to coach up a bunch of cheap backups and late round draft picks into a decent unit. Not need dedicated gunners being signed to modest contracts. It’s upsetting to say the least. You must be young. If you were around for Marv Levy you might have (God forbid) stroked out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 The chargers say: “Ya special teams is so overrated, who needs to focus on that”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 9 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said: Are you sure? Well....there is this https://www.instructables.com/Make-Your-Own-Dehydrated-Water/ https://culinarylore.com/food-history:cans-of-bernard-dehydrated-water/ So I guess once again I must Live and Learn 🤷♂️😇 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 1 hour ago, FireChans said: This is lunacy. This is idiotic. Can someone point out what Super Bowl champion or hell, even recent contender, that dedicated this much money and effort to STers? It flies in the face of modern NFLdom. Rule changes have basically eliminated the return game. Why are we signing top end STers to prop up this phase, instead of dedicating more money to the other phases that actually matter? The ST coach’s job on a team that’s contending should be to coach up a bunch of cheap backups and late round draft picks into a decent unit. Not need dedicated gunners being signed to modest contracts. It’s upsetting to say the least. WELL...............if it was attention you were seeking, CONGRATULATIONS!!! 🍻 Looks like 3 more roster spots without a punter, kicker or long snapper. 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Well....there is this https://www.instructables.com/Make-Your-Own-Dehydrated-Water/ https://culinarylore.com/food-history:cans-of-bernard-dehydrated-water/ So I guess once again I must Live and Learn 🤷♂️😇 That must be much lighter too, if you are hiking or camping. Good to know!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Rock'em Sock'em said: They need a freaking franchise QB and they do THIS!!! Probably will set the team back 3 years. BTW - who did they sign? On top of this blunder, they traded Sammy Watkins... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 5 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said: You must be young. If you were around for Marv Levy you might have (God forbid) stroked out. One of the chief differences is that those SB teams were really before widespread free agency............a time when players were really tied to teams for a very long time so it was easier to develop talent from within. I think back then first round picks were on 6-7 year deals. If the team drafted you they weren't going to put you in bubble wrap because you *might* be good on offense or defense like they have to now.........they didn't have to.......you were under control for so long that you had to play special teams. Now, those roster spots are like your farm system.......you really want them more for drafting and developing. It's a choice teams have to make. The Bills dedicate more ST only positions and $ than most.......if not more than any. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 OP, there are legit things to get upset over—this topic just isn’t one of them, sorry. If we get to where we can’t sign premier talent to support Josh that’s one thing, but I’d hardly call this a ST drunken sailor spending spree. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 8 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: The Bills dedicate more ST only positions and $ than most.......if not more than any. Is there somewhere that I can see the comparison between the Bills and other teams when it comes to spending on ST only players? Again, genuinely asking for a source so I can see how it all breaks down... you’re making a claim... I’m not disputing it... I’m just asking to see the information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said: Is there somewhere that I can see the comparison between the Bills and other teams when it comes to spending on ST only players? Again, genuinely asking for a source so I can see how it all breaks down... you’re making a claim... I’m not disputing it... I’m just asking to see the information. I believe he's referring to Taiwan, Tyler M and Roberts last year. All those guys can play other positions, they are just last on your depth chart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Jay_Fixit said: Bills fans and special teams. lol @Beast Do you still have your Moorman jersey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 5 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: I believe he's referring to Taiwan, Tyler M and Roberts last year. All those guys can play other positions, they are just last on your depth chart. Absolutely... I just don’t know where he’s seeing how other teams treat ST and the money spend on ST only spots. He’s making a league wide comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said: Absolutely... I just don’t know where he’s seeing how other teams treat ST and the money spend on ST only spots. He’s making a league wide comparison. Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 2 hours ago, FireChans said: Can we please stop living 30 years in the past? ”Granted the league was completely different, the rules were completely different, the strategy was completely different and the coaches were even stupider than they were today.” So basically, who cares? schtick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 35 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said: Is there somewhere that I can see the comparison between the Bills and other teams when it comes to spending on ST only players? Again, genuinely asking for a source so I can see how it all breaks down... you’re making a claim... I’m not disputing it... I’m just asking to see the information. The thing is it's not that easy to figure out. Spotrac/OTC have positional breakdowns for ST but that is just P/K/LS. Teams have ST players but they are in different positions. T. Jones for instance is a RB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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