Looks like John Brown was released

[Malazan]

2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Poor John Brown.  He doesn't even get listed as one of the unsigned WR free agents.

C'mon Field Yates, give some Loooove to my man Smoke!

 

 

 

Aren't two of them signed now? Davis and Agholor.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, jeremy2020 said:

 

Aren't two of them signed now? Davis and Agholor.

 

They are indeed,  My point was just that Smoke wasn't even on his list

I really feel he deserved to be, in terms of contribution to a team over the last 2 years.

[Malazan]

5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

They are indeed,  My point was just that Smoke wasn't even on his list

I really feel he deserved to be, in terms of contribution to a team over the last 2 years.

 

You posted a sexy infographic tweet and you expected me to actually READ your post? 

 

I think the way it ended has a lot of people wondering if he can still contribute at that level. In the brief time after his return, looking like he had missed most of the season didn't help.  That injury really hurt his value and the perception of him as a player.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

9 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said:

 

You posted a sexy infographic tweet and you expected me to actually READ your post? 

 

I think the way it ended has a lot of people wondering if he can still contribute at that level. In the brief time after his return, looking like he had missed most of the season didn't help.  That injury really hurt his value and the perception of him as a player.

 

I guess that's fair, but on the other hand he showed game by trying to play through it....

 

As far as that list,

Golladay played only 5 games this past season,

Will Fuller V was suspended for PEDs (and I think has a game of suspension remaining?) and has NEVER played 16 games in his 5 year career

Antonio Brown has shown himself to be a ticking time bomb with an unpredictable fuse and hasn't played >14 games for 3 years

 

I would kind of think a quiet, hardworking guy who played 16 games in 2019 and put up >1000 yds oughta at least make the list!

 

Maybe Smoke's problem is he's too quiet and decent and trouble-free.  Apparently if he threw porch furniture at 2 year olds, caused fire damage, gave controversial interviews, and swilled PEDs, he'd get more recognition.

[Tsaikotic]

looks to be signing with Raiders

 

 

[Da webster guy]

JB signed for $3.75M w Raiders, does his agent suck or did we not want him at all?  Hard to believe Daboll and Josh would support paying an older receiver $2.25M more than Smoke, plus don't we have dead money in there too?

 

Im baffled by this move.  Two years of chemistry w Josh, a multiple 1000 yd NFL proven receiver and we let him walk because we dont think he's worth $3.75M?

 

This has to be injury concern.  There's no other explanation.

[jletha]

2 minutes ago, Da webster guy said:

JB signed for $3.75M w Raiders, does his agent suck or did we not want him at all?  Hard to believe Daboll and Josh would support paying an older receiver $2.25M more than Smoke, plus don't we have dead money in there too?

 

Im baffled by this move.  Two years of chemistry w Josh, a multiple 1000 yd NFL proven receiver and we let him walk because we dont think he's worth $3.75M?

 

This has to be injury concern.  There's no other explanation.

Injuries last year are for sure a factor. He was limited most of the year and ever after injury just did not have the same game. They said they wanted Emmanuel Sanders for a while now. Maybe they think he can do more things in the offense than John Brown.

[Royale with Cheese]

Yes there is another explanation.  They wanted someone that can deal with more physical corners like KC presented us.  Sanders is better at that.

[Teddy KGB]

He sucked last season and he’s gone now, it is what it is.  

[Milanos Milano]

1 minute ago, Teddy KGB said:

He sucked last season and he’s gone now, it is what it is.  

The production of our offense never dropped off without him. And now we picked up a WR that can catch contested catches and is also one of the best zone buster WRs in the game. 

[klos63]

7 minutes ago, Da webster guy said:

JB signed for $3.75M w Raiders, does his agent suck or did we not want him at all?  Hard to believe Daboll and Josh would support paying an older receiver $2.25M more than Smoke, plus don't we have dead money in there too?

 

Im baffled by this move.  Two years of chemistry w Josh, a multiple 1000 yd NFL proven receiver and we let him walk because we dont think he's worth $3.75M?

 

This has to be injury concern.  There's no other explanation.

Really?

[Bobby Hooks]

Why are people so reluctant to upgrade? 

 

 

[Milanos Milano]

4 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Yes there is another explanation.  They wanted someone that can deal with more physical corners like KC presented us.  Sanders is better at that.

Sanders is actually a lot better. He is very underrated. I’m calling it now, he will have a near career year under Allen. 

[MJS]

They wanted Sanders last year. I think there's a good chance that they like Sanders more than John Brown.

[Royale with Cheese]

3 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Sanders is actually a lot better. He is very underrated. I’m calling it now, he will have a near career year under Allen. 

 

I mean that would be amazing since his career best is 101 receptions, 1,400 yards and 9 TD's. 

If we actually do get Ertz....we probably have a better offense that last years 500 point season.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

13 minutes ago, Da webster guy said:

JB signed for $3.75M w Raiders, does his agent suck or did we not want him at all?  Hard to believe Daboll and Josh would support paying an older receiver $2.25M more than Smoke, plus don't we have dead money in there too?

 

Im baffled by this move.  Two years of chemistry w Josh, a multiple 1000 yd NFL proven receiver and we let him walk because we dont think he's worth $3.75M?

 

This has to be injury concern.  There's no other explanation.

I'm not baffled at all.

 

John Brown was a no-show last season.

 

When we needed him he was hurt, or playing soft. I got flamed for saying I was losing patience with him last year. Well, looks like the Bills lost patience with him too. 

 

He played himself out of town. 

[SirAndrew]

I think injuries are a huge factor. Brown can be just as productive as Sanders when healthy, but that’s a big question mark. Sanders also fits the mold of greater versatility that this team wants. I do disagree with all the people who act like Sanders is ten times the receiver Brown is. 

Edited March 19, 2021 by SirAndrew

[bmur66]

Availability

[H2o]

Sanders is the better and more detailed route runner. Sanders catches anything that hits his hands. Sanders is quicker out of his breaks. Sanders has that dog in him where he fights for every contested ball. Sanders is better at hauling in contested catches. John Brown was faster. We upgraded here. This isn't taking a shot at Brown either because I liked Brown while he was here. The injury bug still haunts him, the FO/Staff felt like it was the right time, and we moved on. 

[jkeerie]

8 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Yes there is another explanation.  They wanted someone that can deal with more physical corners like KC presented us.  Sanders is better at that.

Totally agree with this.  He disappeared in the playoffs this year as well as last.  Against Houston last year there were balls that he dropped along the sidelines that caused our drives to stall.  Balls this year went through his hands or were batted away.  I loved Smoke but outside of an occasional long ball he didn't bring much more to the table.

[Milanos Milano]

6 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I mean that would be amazing since his career best is 101 receptions, 1,400 yards and 9 TD's. 

If we actually do get Ertz....we probably have a better offense that last years 500 point season.

I’m not exaggerating when I say it’s a real possibility we go undefeated this season. I think Sanders pulls in 65 rec 1100 yrds 7tds. I really think he is drastically under appreciated. 

Edited March 19, 2021 by IronMaidenBills

[Jpsredemption]

Just now, IronMaidenBills said:

I’m not exaggerating when I say it’s a real possibility we go undefeated this season. I think Sanders pulls in 65 ref 1100 yrds 7tds. I really think he drastically under appreciated. 

That would be huge production for a 34 year old receiver. 

[SirAndrew]

3 minutes ago, jkeerie said:

Totally agree with this.  He disappeared in the playoffs this year as well as last.  Against Houston last year there were balls that he dropped along the sidelines that caused our drives to stall.  Balls this year went through his hands or were batted away.  I loved Smoke but outside of an occasional long ball he didn't bring much more to the table.

Brown had 72 receptions, and over 1,000 yards in 2019. I’d say that brings more to the table than just the occasional long ball. He wasn’t good last season, and I think injuries were the main factor. I’m good with moving on from Brown, but I think health is a bigger concern than ability. 

Edited March 19, 2021 by SirAndrew

[HOUSE]

Nearly every WR on Buffalo's roster was injured during the playoff run. The Bills obviously want stronger more durable WRs

 

 

[Boxcar]

1 minute ago, IronMaidenBills said:

I’m not exaggerating when I say it’s a real possibility we go undefeated this season. I think Sanders pulls in 65 rec 1100 yrds 7tds. I really think he is drastically under appreciated. 

Let's pump the brakes a bit.

[Milanos Milano]

1 minute ago, Jpsredemption said:

That would be huge production for a 34 year old receiver. 

I’m fully expecting it. Sanders is still insanely fast off the line. He is like top 3 in zone coverage for the entire NFL. He’s going to feast under Allen. 

2 minutes ago, Boxcar said:

Let's pump the brakes a bit.

I will gladly eat my words if I’m wrong. But Sanders is severely undervalued. 

[jkeerie]

2 minutes ago, SirAndrew said:

Brown had 72 receptions, and over 1,000 yards in 2019. I’d say that brings more to the table than just the occasional long ball. He wasn’t good last season, and I think injuries were the main factor. I’m good with moving on from Brown, but I think health is a bigger concern than ability. 

Oh I agree that Brown was great his first year with the Bills.  In 2020 those receptions went to Diggs, leaving Brown the long ball target.  He became as Beane said the "fast ball."

[Boxcar]

2 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

I’m fully expecting it. Sanders is still insanely fast off the line. He is like top 3 in zone coverage for the entire NFL. He’s going to feast under Allen. 

I will gladly eat my words if I’m wrong. But Sanders is severely undervalued. 

Maybe, but I don't know how he's going to get enough balls thrown his way to reach those heights, especially if we get Ertz. I was more saying let's chill out on the undefeated talk.

[Motor26]

Still hope the Bills pick up a burner in the draft. Speed is a great weapon to have. 

[Milanos Milano]

4 minutes ago, Boxcar said:

Maybe, but I don't know how he's going to get enough balls thrown his way to reach those heights, especially if we get Ertz. I was more saying let's chill out on the undefeated talk.

There will be so much balls for everyone that everyone will puke. We might have the best offense ever next year. Not even exaggerating. I wouldn’t be surprised if we have 3 WRs over 1k yards. 

Edited March 19, 2021 by IronMaidenBills

[Boxcar]

2 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

There will be so much balls for everyone that everyone will puke. We might have the best offense ever next year. Not even exaggerating. 

We're going to have a 1400 yard WR and two 1000+ yard WRs? Plus Gabe Davis?

 

Mmmmmmmm I don't think that's possible.

[NewEra]

33 minutes ago, Da webster guy said:

JB signed for $3.75M w Raiders, does his agent suck or did we not want him at all?  Hard to believe Daboll and Josh would support paying an older receiver $2.25M more than Smoke, plus don't we have dead money in there too?

 

Im baffled by this move.  Two years of chemistry w Josh, a multiple 1000 yd NFL proven receiver and we let him walk because we dont think he's worth $3.75M?

 

This has to be injury concern.  There's no other explanation.

Browns can also earn up to 5.75M with incentives.  
 

my take:  brown had his chance and didn’t respond vs the chiefs.  Miss you Smoke, good luck

[HOUSE]

All the Duke Williams fans collaborated to send poor John out of town hence creating more playing time for their boy

 

Happens all the time

[Ethan in Cleveland]

15 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

I’m not exaggerating when I say it’s a real possibility we go undefeated this season. I think Sanders pulls in 65 rec 1100 yrds 7tds. I really think he is drastically under appreciated. 

Yeah I dont think so. That is 16.5 yards per catch. He will more likely be around 50 caches for 650 yards. Last year he was under 12 YPC and career average is 13.

[Artem Lipatov]

Brown was our best WR just a year ago. One unlucky season and he is out. I don’t like it. Every good player had a bad season. 
Imagine our current best WR Diggs will have a bad next year due to injuries. Should we cut him?

[Mr. WEO]

let it go.  He was the de facto best receiver for 1 season.  Now there are at least 3 others who are better on the roster.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

39 minutes ago, Da webster guy said:

JB signed for $3.75M w Raiders, does his agent suck or did we not want him at all?  Hard to believe Daboll and Josh would support paying an older receiver $2.25M more than Smoke, plus don't we have dead money in there too?

 

Im baffled by this move.  Two years of chemistry w Josh, a multiple 1000 yd NFL proven receiver and we let him walk because we dont think he's worth $3.75M?

 

This has to be injury concern.  There's no other explanation.

agreed. When they cut him and didn’t even offer to restructure, I thought it was because they figured age and injuries caught up to him.

 

So I thought they would sign a younger and less injury prone guy.

Instead they signed a more expensive, older, and equally as injury prone player in Sanders. Very odd.

[Royale with Cheese]

20 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

I’m not exaggerating when I say it’s a real possibility we go undefeated this season. I think Sanders pulls in 65 rec 1100 yrds 7tds. I really think he is drastically under appreciated. 

 

I'm not there with an undefeated season, definitely in the 12-4/14-2 territory.  But if we are like 10-0 at some point....

 

[dbfla10]

Everyone thats using JB injuries as he reason for the Bills cutting him makes no sense. Have you seen Sanders injury history? Hasnt played 16game season since 2016, and hes now 34yrs old. 

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

While I'm perfectly fine with releasing Brown, I can't say I'm thrilled that we did it in order to bring in a 34 year old Sanders. Sanders has a 6mm cap hit + 1.6mm dead cap from Brown for 7.6mm total. Hard to believe that Brown would have refused a restructure to get him at less than 7.6mm cap hit. 

 

Browns 2020 season was an injury filled dud, but he was really good in 2019. Sanders hasn't had a comparable season close to that since 2016.