HappyDays Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 Kevin Colbert (Steelers GM) had a presser today where he said he is concerned with planning to build the team without knowing what the cap situation will even look like. I have to think every GM feels the same. Wouldn't surprise me if Watt goes unsigned until the final cap number is nailed down. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein's Dog Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 20 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: While I get that as a line of argument I don't think Beane and McDermott are a push the chips into the middle of the table and go all in for 1 year type of duo. They will take calculated risks but they want to be relevant for a long time. And put me in the school that thinks other than a QB it is rarely one guy that puts a team over the top. But a 2 yr deal 12/per deal is not a "pushing the chips into the middle" situation. It's a great short term fix of a problem. Replacing Addison/Jefferson/Butler w Watt/K Short/draft pick is an overall cost reduction and performance upgrade. This would show more Beane magic, showing the love early in a period of cap uncertainty. IMO, the longer Watt goes unsigned the less likely the Bills get him - because all things being equal the Packers and Pitt have the advantage. Beane made his big move early last year and the results were terrific - time to strike again (I smell Exec of the year repeat). 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 Von Miller is still my choice over Watt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein's Dog Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 12 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Kevin Colbert (Steelers GM) had a presser today where he said he is concerned with planning to build the team without knowing what the cap situation will even look like. I have to think every GM feels the same. Wouldn't surprise me if Watt goes unsigned until the final cap number is nailed down. I was hoping this would be the case, if Pitt and GB are reluctant to put in a bid at this time the Bills chances shoot upward if an early decision is to be made. And while Beane may feel trepidation with the cap situation, this is when a top Exec earns his money. A Cleveland vs Bills competition clearly leans the Bills way (no matter what that Cleveland fan tries to claim). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 OK this is starting to get old pretty fast.... imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 Watt would be smart to sign before Von Miller hits market. Watt has it to himself now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 1 minute ago, Canadian Bills Fan said: OK this is starting to get old pretty fast.... imo Until the teams know what the salary cap is going to be, I don’t think much gets done. What is taking so long? This is the first day that the franchise tag can be use too but crickets because wtf is the cap #. I mean it’s been estimated anywhere between 175 and 185, we can assume 180 but why the mystery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 7 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Until the teams know what the salary cap is going to be, I don’t think much gets done. What is taking so long? This is the first day that the franchise tag can be use too but crickets because wtf is the cap #. I mean it’s been estimated anywhere between 175 and 185, we can assume 180 but why the mystery Isn’t their some rumours they are going to sign a new Tv deal in the coming weeks that may lift the cap higher than expected? https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/02/10/nfl-wants-to-finalize-new-tv-deals-before-setting-2021-salary-cap-in-march.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Until the teams know what the salary cap is going to be, I don’t think much gets done. What is taking so long? This is the first day that the franchise tag can be use too but crickets because wtf is the cap #. I mean it’s been estimated anywhere between 175 and 185, we can assume 180 but why the mystery From what I've heard the NFL is waiting for the new TV deals to be finalized before giving a final number. Who knows when that will be done. Surely by March teams will know. Edited February 17, 2021 by HappyDays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, HappyDays said: From what I've heard the NFL is waiting for the new TV deals to be finalized before giving a final number. Who knows when that will be done. Surely by March teams will know. Don’t call him Shirley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 Mario Watch, Maclin Watch... who are some of our other classic FA tracking threads that went on for 100 pages? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsMafi$ Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 Uh oh! 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 8 minutes ago, BillsMafi$ said: Uh oh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 25 minutes ago, Canadian Bills Fan said: OK this is starting to get old pretty fast.... imo Lol well it likely won't go anywhere for a bit longer. At least til he does not sign with the Bills and the cap gets figured out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 21 minutes ago, BillsMafi$ said: Uh oh! This means the recipe part of the thread can now begin. I'll start: Handful of Munchos That's it. Enjoy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 32 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: Isn’t their some rumours they are going to sign a new Tv deal in the coming weeks that may lift the cap higher than expected? https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/02/10/nfl-wants-to-finalize-new-tv-deals-before-setting-2021-salary-cap-in-march.html Yes. Need to move quickly 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brennan Huff Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 10 minutes ago, HappyDays said: This means the recipe part of the thread can now begin. I'll start: Handful of Munchos That's it. Enjoy. I need some good Keto recipes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 24 minutes ago, Warcodered said: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brennan Huff Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 I will not get overly excited about this new report from ESPN.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruiserplayer Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 I pledge $99 for every sack Over 9.5 in a Bills uniform in 2021. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: Until the teams know what the salary cap is going to be, I don’t think much gets done. What is taking so long? This is the first day that the franchise tag can be use too but crickets because wtf is the cap #. I mean it’s been estimated anywhere between 175 and 185, we can assume 180 but why the mystery Blame Thursday Night football. No seriously What I read: NFL wants new TV deal finalized before finalizing NFL 2021 Salary Cap -> Networks want Thursday night football settled as part of any new TV deal -> Thursday night football still point of contention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 10 minutes ago, Cruiserplayer said: I pledge $99 for every sack Over 9.5 in a Bills uniform in 2021. I hope that costs you THOU$AND$!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 Release Vernon Butler and Addison and you can sign Watt or any other pass rush help. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 38 minutes ago, Brennan Huff said: I need some good Keto recipes https://healthyrecipesblogs.com/ricotta-cake/ 6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Release Vernon Butler and Addison and you can sign Watt or any other pass rush help. Release Butler and Addison and you free up $13M of cap, true Then you've also perhaps got a hole at DL (and is Jefferson >> Butler?) and what about OLB, RT, RG, LG, and KR/PR? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brennan Huff Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: https://healthyrecipesblogs.com/ricotta-cake/ Im actually going to try this one. Thank you 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: https://healthyrecipesblogs.com/ricotta-cake/ Release Butler and Addison and you free up $13M of cap, true Then you've also perhaps got a hole at DL (and is Jefferson >> Butler?) and what about OLB, RT, RG, LG, and KR/PR? No you don't. Star is back. There's moves to clear cap. Restructures and cuts. I think a couple moves that make sense to open up cap are extensions for Diggs and Beasley. Hughes also is an extension candidate that would clear cap. Edited February 17, 2021 by Buffalo_Stampede Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 10 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: https://healthyrecipesblogs.com/ricotta-cake/ Release Butler and Addison and you free up $13M of cap, true Then you've also perhaps got a hole at DL (and is Jefferson >> Butler?) and what about OLB, RT, RG, LG, and KR/PR? I like Addison the best of the bunch, but I'm going all in (or out rather) and cutting Butler, Addison, and Jefferson for a total savings of about $18M. Could we backload contracts with guaranteed money to get around the reduced cap this year? Like both Ngakoue and Watt end up with a hit of only $9M this year (fully guaranteed), but go up significantly with guaranteed money the rest of the years... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said: Mario Watch, Maclin Watch... who are some of our other classic FA tracking threads that went on for 100 pages? Brian Johnson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said: Mario Watch, Maclin Watch... who are some of our other classic FA tracking threads that went on for 100 pages? TO? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 What...Mario Williams is busy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: What...Mario Williams is busy? If we could get 2013, 2014 Mario back, we'd win the Super Bowl. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: If we could get 2013, 2014 Mario back, we'd win the Super Bowl. What incredibly freaky talent! If his passion for the game was near Josh’s level and he was in the right scheme, we might talk about him in the same breath with Bruce and Reggie White. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 12 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: What...Mario Williams is busy? Ground up and in the freezer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 26 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: I like Addison the best of the bunch, but I'm going all in (or out rather) and cutting Butler, Addison, and Jefferson for a total savings of about $18M. Could we backload contracts with guaranteed money to get around the reduced cap this year? Like both Ngakoue and Watt end up with a hit of only $9M this year (fully guaranteed), but go up significantly with guaranteed money the rest of the years... If you cut Butler and Jefferson, I think you leave a hole even if you count on Lotulelei returning in good form and Harrison Phillips returning to early 2019 form 1T: Lotulelei, H. Phillips 3T: Ed Oliver, ?? Zimmer saw spot duty, do you count on him? I understand that guys are allowed to opt out again this year and I wouldn't bet the rent money Star doesn't do it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: If you cut Butler and Jefferson, I think you leave a hole even if you count on Lotulelei returning in good form and Harrison Phillips returning to early 2019 form 1T: Lotulelei, H. Phillips 3T: Ed Oliver, ?? Zimmer saw spot duty, do you count on him? I understand that guys are allowed to opt out again this year and I wouldn't bet the rent money Star doesn't do it I would. You'd better believe the NFL is going to be able to vaccine all concerned players before September. And at his age, two years out of football at that position and a team would be hard pressed relying on him for anything more than a rotational piece. As for the holes it would create cutting Butler and Jefferson - Star WILL be back. Then you have Phillips, Zimmer, Practice Squad guys, draft, vet minimum guys before the season; lots of options. If we're talking a hole at 3rd or 4th DT in exchange for us getting JJ Watt - it's a no brainier. Edited February 17, 2021 by BillsFanForever19 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkx2 Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 Sound like the Bills are still in the running. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/02/17/j-j-watt-bills-have-mutual-interest/ 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted February 17, 2021 Author Share Posted February 17, 2021 32 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: If you cut Butler and Jefferson, I think you leave a hole even if you count on Lotulelei returning in good form and Harrison Phillips returning to early 2019 form 1T: Lotulelei, H. Phillips 3T: Ed Oliver, ?? Zimmer saw spot duty, do you count on him? I understand that guys are allowed to opt out again this year and I wouldn't bet the rent money Star doesn't do it I mean, any late round pick should be able to replace those guys just fine and for a lot less money. They were nothing but bodies out there for the most part this year. Can't recall a single big play made by either one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 41 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: If you cut Butler and Jefferson, I think you leave a hole even if you count on Lotulelei returning in good form and Harrison Phillips returning to early 2019 form 1T: Lotulelei, H. Phillips 3T: Ed Oliver, ?? Zimmer saw spot duty, do you count on him? I understand that guys are allowed to opt out again this year and I wouldn't bet the rent money Star doesn't do it I have wondered about the opt out thing with star.... my question is this: if guys opt out for a second straight year, shouldn’t teams be able to get some kind of relief? I know we wouldn’t have to pay him this year, but if he opts our under the same rules he’d show back up in 2022 for his year 33 season, having been out of football for two years. Kinda a tough row to hoe to be expected to pay him 7+ million. i think it would be wise for the league to say that instead of opting out a second time and contracts deferring, that is a player is still uncomfortable playing, they need a settlement of the contract much like an injury settlement and then say only x% of it counts against the teams cap. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 45 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: If you cut Butler and Jefferson, I think you leave a hole even if you count on Lotulelei returning in good form and Harrison Phillips returning to early 2019 form 1T: Lotulelei, H. Phillips 3T: Ed Oliver, Watt Zimmer saw spot duty, do you count on him? I understand that guys are allowed to opt out again this year and I wouldn't bet the rent money Star doesn't do it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 I see today JJ is looking for the full 17.5 mil per season. Now I understand why he hadn't signed. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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