Milanos Milano Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said: We’ve objectively been one of the top drafting teams over the last 4 years. I’ll post the information tomorrow. I get you’re upset but suggesting to jettison a HC that has changed the perception (and reality of Buffalo) after decades of misery seems a little foolish. He had us a game away from the Super Bowl today and has consistently improved each year as a coach. The reality is very few coaches outside of Belichick and now it looks like Reid have been pumping out SB year after year, if you keep chasing that with no direction it’s useless. I just want a super bowl win. Years upon years and years of failure. It never ends. When, how much longer. Just wait, be patient, for how long? I’m not saying he needs to be fired, but I’m tired of losing. No more excuses. Edited January 25, 2021 by IronMaidenBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 9 minutes ago, Man with No Name said: every team played defense like that today. except maybe us? ton of it going on in the GB TB game for sure Yup...why wouldn't you if you see the refs aren't calling it? Baltimore did it to a large degree last week as well against us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Yup...why wouldn't you if you see the refs aren't calling it? Baltimore did it to a large degree last week as well against us. Yea I was worried about that going into the playoffs...the flags don't get thrown all that much in playoff football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Yup...why wouldn't you if you see the refs aren't calling it? Baltimore did it to a large degree last week as well against us. Lol because the one time all game we tried it they immediately threw a flag. Obviously not the reason we avoided it, but I just found it funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 24 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: Sounds like KC has drafted better than the Bills have. And yet people treat our management like kings lol. They keep drafting speed and more speed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 minute ago, Niagara Dude said: They keep drafting speed and more speed That’s good. They are an all pro organization. Look at all the top teams in the league and look how they run those teams. Consistently hit on players in the draft. While Beane is one of the best we have had in many years, it’s not good enough. He either needs to improve or our cap situation will only get worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelius Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Surprised at how slow their backs actually are - CEH runs a 4.6 (same as Moss/Singletary) and Darrel Williams surprisingly clocked a lumbering TE-like 4.72 40 time, but he still did damage tonight. Their ability to use the running game when needed was a difference maker in both games against us. We don't have that ability, since we apparently don't have a running game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 20 minutes ago, Nelius said: I agree with the past comment but speed could be an easy thing to fix in one offseason. Tyreek Hill was an obvious talent but a risky one that still went in the 5th round primarily as a return specialist. If you focus on speed and hit on the draft just like KC did with Hill, then you're right there. I think there is some truth to that and certain organizations seem to prioritize speed, KC being an obvious example. Look at Indy, for example, who picked up isiah Rodgers out of U Mass in round 6; he is a threat every time he touches the ball. The Bills never seem to find those kind of guys. We also seem to draft slow running backs, which is just inexplicable to me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsherd Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 What we need is speed on Defense specially in CBs and Safeties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyNoodles Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 37 minutes ago, Big Turk said: They played Legion of Doom style like Seattle did back in the days...commit defensive holding and illegal contact downfield on every passing play and dare the refs to call it. They have swallowed their whistles the entire playoffs so far and today's game was no execption. Should have been better prepared to deal with it but we were not. Agree. We got pushed around until the fight at the end. Welcome to playoff football. Next time we should be ready. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dkollidas Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 I think he’s talking specifically about or defensive backs. Hill’s speed specifically really hurt us. We also got hurt not having a speed option out of the backfield. McKenzie provides some of that in the run game, but it’s too gadgety. Singletary’s dropped pass which led to Yeldon coming into the game I believe was a microcosm of how ineffective he’s been this year. I expect them to look for DB’s who can play more press when necessary to disrupt opposing teams speed. I expect them to look for RB options who can add speed to stretch the field horizontally. I expect them to look for someone on defense who can really get after the QB. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 hour ago, IronMaidenBills said: Hey, I’m not ok with losing. If you guys are happy we can’t win super bowls, so be it. But some of us expect better. I’m not ok with losing either. What I am ok with is seeing that year over year we are making significant and necessary foundational strides to get there, including signature wins, AFCE championship, franchise QB, et al. Winning a SB is a process, even Hoodie would agree with that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Just now, NoHuddleKelly12 said: I’m not ok with losing either. What I am ok with is seeing that year over year we are making significant and necessary foundational strides to get there, including signature wins, AFCE championship, franchise QB, et al. Winning a SB is a process, even Hoodie would agree with that. Which is fine. I’m more frustrated than mad. The only thing I’m mad at is being nearly maxed out in cap space with an underwhelming defense with an expensive Allen contract on deck. How can we expect to improve the roster enough to beat KC going forward if Allen potentially handicaps our team spending. I wouldn’t feel this way if Beane hit on more of his picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VW82 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 When you leave them alone in the soft spots of your zone they have the opportunity to showcase their speed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsCuse Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 hour ago, GETTOTHE50 said: McD, you didn’t get out-sped, you got outcoached BADLY. It’s like he didn’t even know what playoff football was about He did get out-coached for sure, but don't be salty. I hate to say it, but they were the better team to tonight. We had a great season, lets not be sore sosers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsCuse Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 22 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: Which is fine. I’m more frustrated than mad. The only thing I’m mad at is being nearly maxed out in cap space with an underwhelming defense with an expensive Allen contract on deck. How can we expect to improve the roster enough to beat KC going forward if Allen potentially handicaps our team spending. I wouldn’t feel this way if Beane hit on more of his picks. Every GM hits and misses on picks - some better than others. KC is paying Mahomes, Hill, Kelce, Chris Jones, Frank Clark, Mathieau, etc. all on big contracts (and even Watkins). Beane will figure it out and KC can't hang on to everyone long term. Its all good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 minute ago, BillsCuse said: He did get out-coached for sure, but don't be salty. I hate to say it, but they were the better team to tonight. We had a great season, lets not be sore sosers chiefs brought it, no doubt. but im sore about how the bills lost since they didnt play with aggression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 2 hours ago, FluffHead said: While it seems obvious, if you’ve seen the video...I’m just saying, as the off-season evolves, I think this is a theme you will see with our additions, is getting this team faster Yeah, interesting that most of the analyst talk during the week about the Bills defense focused on “they may not be big, but they’re fast”. Need to find a Darrell Green. I don’t know how many times I saw him cover a lot of ground to run somebody down. We had nobody in the secondary even close to the speed of Tyreek Hill or Hardman. Granted, most teams don’t. Alternative is to be physical. They didn’t do that either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrPJax Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 3 hours ago, FluffHead said: While obvious, the way he stated this in his post game presser made it obvious: speed is the key on his agenda in the offseason. So it took two losses and a full season to figure out KC had speed, after they were dropping safeties 20 yards of Los the first game. Watching them last year win the SB was not a key to their speed? Speed didn’t blitz josh. Speed didn’t shut down the offense or make us a horrible running team. Lots more needed than speed to compete with Kc. Need some way to pressure qb, some way to handle blitzes, Backs that can pass protect and catch for example. Lol! Gotta laugh cuz if it took this to know KC had a lot of speed , our process needs to learn how to speed read! 😀😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigpen65 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) Reid is McD's boogeyman. In both losses to KC McD called games of ***** ball that would have made Jauron blush. This loss starts with scared ***** coaching. Then anything else to dissect comes after that. Edited January 25, 2021 by pigpen65 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 5 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said: I mean, isn’t that why we play the game? To win super bowls. Anything less is failure. We have spent near the cap without signing Allen to large money without a super bowl, That’s failure. I don’t care what anyone says. Stick for someone else then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, BigDingus said: We need more than speed. We need a strength, size & power on the lines. Being able to collapse the pocket, stuff the run, pressure the QB, etc. would in turn help our secondary. Our O-line has played great all year, but reinforcing that group & giving them a stud RB would make us less one-dimensional. Aside from that, it's about execution. I've been a broken record on this for years when people b*****d about our Offensive Coordinators, but when you don't execute on the field, it doesn't matter who's calling the plays. We've seen it in many games where the playcalls have been perfect, but a dropped pass, an overthrown deep ball, a missed block, etc. just ruins it. I agree with this mostly, thought I will say even on defense there is a need for speed. As for calls vs execution I didn't love all Daboll's play calls tonight - especially in the redzone - but he had one on the series where we ended up kicking the FG in the 3rd Quarter where he got Diggs into a position where he was covered by Sorenson and that was Allen's first read. The problem was Chris Jones demolished Feliciano off the snap and forced Josh off his spot immediately. That is an example of where the playcaller can do everything right and execution by the players fails him. If Feliciano gives Allen 2 seconds there that is a touchdown. Edited January 25, 2021 by GunnerBill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 KC's got speed?..........wow, who knew? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Curt Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 5 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: You know who had great speed? TJ Graham, Marquise Goodwin, and Aaron Maybin. the chiefs’ receivers are fast, but they can do a lot of other things well too. Hill is pretty much a complete receiver. Sammy Watkins, Marquise Goodwill, Lesean McCoy, Robert Woods, Percy Harvin, Charles Clay. We had all that speed but couldn't take advantage and stay healthy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Reid schooled McDermott, it happens 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 I am dubious that you can stop this type of offense by playing predominantly zone, no matter how fast your DBs are or how good your pass rush is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, Niagara Dude said: You always draft the speed guys, Metcalf in this game would have been a huge difference Your lips to God's ears. Would Metcalf have made more of a difference than you-know-who? You're damned right he would have. What an absolute waste that pick was. Edited January 25, 2021 by Joe in Winslow 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Your lips to God's ears. Would Metcalf have made more of a difference than you-know-who? You're damned right he would have. What an absolute waste that pick was. Ed played well last night. That said, he hasn't played at a top 10 pick level yet. He is a good player. He certainly isn't a wasted pick, but he does kind of fit the Beane bill of a good starter but not a difference maker. We have drafted too many of those is my biggest criticism of this front office. Still.... I remain of the view if you are going to hammer a 2019 pick it is Cody Ford who at this stage might not be a NFL starter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Just now, GunnerBill said: Ed played well last night. That said, he hasn't played at a top 10 pick level yet. He is a good player. He certainly isn't a wasted pick, but he does kind of fit the Beane bill of a good starter but not a difference maker. We have drafted too many of those is my biggest criticism of this front office. Still.... I remain of the view if you are going to hammer a 2019 pick it is Cody Ford who at this stage might not be a NFL starter. You had a shot at EXCELLENCE in the top ten. Instead you took a guy who hasn't made any kind of real impact at a position that's second tier. Of all beane's acquisitions, that's his most questionable. Undoubtedly wasted a top 10pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Just now, Joe in Winslow said: You had a shot at EXCELLENCE in the top ten. Instead you took a guy who hasn't made any kind of real impact at a position that's second tier. Of all beane's acquisitions, that's his most questionable. Undoubtedly wasted a top 10pick. I don't agree because Oliver is still a really talented athlete. And he has the thing our defense so obviously needs more of to compete with the Chiefs - speed. I think his most questionable selections are the safe pick guys - the low floor, low ceiling players - Cody Ford, Devin Singletary, Zack Moss, AJ Epenesa. Oliver and Dawson Knox and Tremaine Edmunds who are high ceiling athletes are the guys we absolutely need to pick. And isn't that you whole point about DK - he is a high ceiling athlete and so the Bills should have overlooked injuries, effort issues (which definitely cropped up late this year in Seattle) and limited production to pick him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I don't agree because Oliver is still a really talented athlete. And he has the thing our defense so obviously needs more of to compete with the Chiefs - speed. I think his most questionable selections are the safe pick guys - the low floor, low ceiling players - Cody Ford, Devin Singletary, Zack Moss, AJ Epenesa. Oliver and Dawson Knox and Tremaine Edmunds who are high ceiling athletes are the guys we absolutely need to pick. And isn't that you whole point about DK - he is a high ceiling athlete and so the Bills should have overlooked injuries, effort issues (which definitely cropped up late this year in Seattle) and limited production to pick him? Yeah. But the problem is, I haven't seen anything to indicate that Mr. Invisible has a high ceiling. Que sera, sera. Spilled milk at this point. We're stuck with him for another couple years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 6 hours ago, Niagara Dude said: You always draft the speed guys, Metcalf in this game would have been a huge difference John Brown is a legit 4.34 guy. Meanwhile, Metcalf and his team lost in the wild card round. Speed wasnt the issue last night. You could have had Metcalf running all the 9 routes in the world last night and it would have made no difference with Allen running backwards the second he caught the snap because the o-line couldnt block. The Chiefs have great skill players, but they wouldnt have mattered last night either if the Bills had any pass rush. The bottom line is the Bills got beat in the trenches on both sides of the ball. Josh was running for his life, and Mahomes was standing in the pocket playing against a dline who couldnt catch a cold last night. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 25 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Yeah. But the problem is, I haven't seen anything to indicate that Mr. Invisible has a high ceiling. Que sera, sera. Spilled milk at this point. We're stuck with him for another couple years. I think you ignore those moments. There was one on that first KC drive last night. He made a tackle for loss on the fringe of the redzone then beat his blocker across his face on the next play and forced Mahomes to just throw it into the ground essentially. 3rd and 11 almost all Ed's doing. They completed a pass on 3rd and 11 for 10 yards and then converted on 4th and 1. It is not fair to say Ed Oliver is invisible. It is, however, absolutely fair to say there isn't enough consistency even within games and moreso across the season. Next year is a big year for him with the 5th year option decision at the end of it. He needs to take a big step in his consistency. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconator Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 7 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said: I don’t care what McClappy says. I want super bowl wins. If he can’t start delivering, he can start looking elsewhere. How long did Andy Reed wait for his SuperBowl ring? That was a statement from a Rookie, indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 7 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said: I don’t care what McClappy says. I want super bowl wins. If he can’t start delivering, he can start looking elsewhere. Juat a tad premature, dontcha think? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconator Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 7 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said: Sounds like KC has drafted better than the Bills have. And yet people treat our management like kings lol. You need to find a new hobby. It's obvious football is too intelligent for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 8 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said: Juat a tad premature, dontcha think? There will be a lot of overreaction this morning. It is understandable fans are disappointed. But this team is still on an upward curve. They have to find a way to beat Kansas City, because we are sure as hell gonna come up against them in the post season again in the next few years, but there is no reason for anyone to throw out the baby with the bathwater. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 You know who said the exact same thing? The fill-in second keyboardist for Fleetwood Mac after the Summer ‘79 tour. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Joe in Winslow said: Your lips to God's ears. Would Metcalf have made more of a difference than you-know-who? You're damned right he would have. What an absolute waste that pick was. Ford was a waste, was a huge reach and has done next to nothing so far while Metcalf looks like he will be a HOF WR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 6 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said: Ford was a waste, was a huge reach and has done next to nothing so far while Metcalf looks like he will be a HOF WR I'm not talking about ford. Saying ford's a disappointment is universally accepted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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