1/24/21 AFC Championship Game Postgame Thread

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

10 minutes ago, Rock-A-Bye Beasley said:

Imagine letting the offense you built and  WR you traded for try to win the game. That’s why it hurts. They didn’t even try.  Maybe McDermott will learn. He has done it before. Go Bills. 

I think mcdermott had zero confidence in us picking up those fourth downs and I dont really blame him...of course there was also zero confidence in us stopping the chiefs offense lol so I can see your point 

Just now, RockyBalboa said:

4 times! Correct, double covered..and you don't throw that pass, period.

Yes you do lol this is insanity... if the ball hits your receivers hands he has to catch it...chiefs secondary had a heck of a game that was as open as anyone was really getting on most plays.  If your qb isn't going to make throws in situations like that you are not going to win period.  Most teams don't have the luxury of waiting for receivers to be schemed wide open and the bills absolutely did not have that tonight 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

2 minutes ago, RockyBalboa said:

4 times! Correct, double covered..and you don't throw that pass, period.

Ok thanks man.

 

Anything else, or are you just an average fan that happens to root for a team that drafted Patrick Mahomes and because the team wins you act like you hand selected Mahomes and get to instruct the rest of the league on what good football looks like because you see it on a weekly basis ala Patriots fans like we don’t have eyes or a TV? 
 

 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

1 minute ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Ok thanks man.

 

Anything else, or are you just an average fan that happens to root for a team that drafted Patrick Mahomes and because the team wins you act like you hand selected Mahomes and get to instruct the rest of the league on what good football looks like because you see it on a weekly basis ala Patriots fans like we don’t have eyes or a TV? 
 

 

I'm still in shock that he wouldn't want mahomes making that throw...maybe he really is a system quarterback after all and they don't want him making the the tough throws 🤣 allen put his team on his back all season making plays like that.  

[BillsMafia13]

3 hours ago, Turbo44 said:

Proud of this team, but out coached badly tonight as they had no answer to the blitz and the d game plan was obviously horrendous.

 

he’s probably a nice guy but

i have absolutely no need to

ever see Singletary in a bills uniform again. He’s horrible in short yardage and his drops are inexcusable. Need an upgrade here

What happened to him?  He’s plan seems to be to run into the closest guard in the backfield. He’s blowing it 

[BobbyC81]

58 minutes ago, ColeB said:

I thought Stills was going to be active?  Did he play.?

I see now, that although he was elevated to the active roster, he was inactive for the game.

[BillsMafia13]

3 hours ago, mannc said:

Hill can make anyone in the NFL look silly.  Absolutely no one can match his combination of speed and quickness.  Just flat-out electric. And he never drops the ball.  

He did in the like the first series 

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

4 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

Agreed. I hate both teams. Have no desire to watch it.

I agree, I already put in to work OT on the super bowl. No way am I watching either of these teams play in it.

[Dr.Mantis_Toboggan]

Hopefully Frazier gets the Texans job. While I appreciate what he has done in his time here, this defense needs to get more aggressive, and Beane could definitely use some extra 3rd round picks.  

 

Move on from Smoke, Murphy, hopefully Star, and maybe some of those other pieces that didn't really work out as well as we'd hoped, use that cap and find some premium DL/Edge Rushing free agents looking to win a championship.

[The Frankish Reich]

1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

Anybody from the media ask McD about cluelessly kicking FGs??

Not this again.... Mahomes is better. Josh is good but Mahomes is better. He’s in a league of his own.

Thank you.

This type of sentiment is no knock on Allen. We drafted and developed a really good QB. I expect he'll be making Pro Bowls for a long time.

But folks lose sight of actually how good Mahomes is. They are not roughly equal, or Allen is not about to pass him, or Allen does not still have upside that Mahomes lacks. Mahomes stands apart from the rest of a group of fantastic young QBs.

[Do The Reich Thing]

I just don’t get the ineptitude of this defense. They looked like the complete opposite of what they were last week against the Ravens. They’re either great or they’re terrible and today we got the terrible. 
 

They were not physical, we’re obviously intimidated, they weren’t aggressive, and there was no passion. With exception of Poyer’s one hit on CEH. 
 

Same with the o-line today. The Bills got absolutely manhandled in the trenches and the coaches didn’t try anything to change the flow. They just stayed the course and thought their plan would eventually work. 
 

This is where egos and ideologies of these coaches can get so frustrating. If something isn’t working you try something else, you don’t keep repeating mistakes. That’s almost the literal definition of insanity. 

[BobbyC81]

5 hours ago, RichRiderBills said:

 

Need a Tyreek Hill type guy. 

 

Isn’t Isaiah McKenzie that guy?  An alternative may be in this year’s draft in Purdue’s Rondale Moore.  He is actually projected in WalterFootball’s latest 2021 Mock Draft as the Bills’ 2nd round pick.  Some reviews compare him to T.Hill.

[Big C]

Dunno what the vibe has been in this thread but I feel really deflated after that one. The most monumental game for us in this millennium and they looked like they didn’t belong among the final four. The coaching was abysmal, Josh reverted to last year and the defense looked helpless. I couldn’t believe what I was watching. 
 

It was a fun and exciting season overall but we entered the playoffs as healthy as we could have possibly expected, playing our best ball and then we couldn’t finish the job. 

[y2zipper]

On defense the issue is you're playing Kansas City. They've been doing this for 14 months save the part of the game where Mahomes sat out last week. They have scored on all of their possessions except 2 with Mahomes in the playoffs.

 

The correct gameplan against them is to make them go underneath and shorten the game to try to get a shot at winning, but the offense didn't do its part today so the shot at winning wasn't there.

 

The issue on offense is that it's too one dimensional. If the receivers don't get open, it doesn't work. It also appears that 3 of the 4 guys aren't healthy. In the postseason one dimensional teams can be shut down. We saw that vs the Ravens. The priority has to be bringing some balance into the offense.

[Zerovoltz]

 

3 hours ago, Success said:

I didn't really recognize that KC defense. I've watched them quite a bit this year - that had to be one of the best games they played.

 

Spags just called it perfectly.  There was constant pressure on Josh, and at the same time, the receivers were well covered.  Not the easiest thing to pull off.

 

 

It's the same one the Bills saw in week 6.....maybe you didn't recognize it because it just happens that KC is a bad matchup for what the Bills do on offense.  KC has a bunch of DB's that can cover.  KC sucks at covering LB and TE...but you guys don't throw that way much.....KC held Diggs to his second lowest yardage totals and catches in week 6....because of the same thing.  In other games VS opponents that have pass catching backs and/or TE's....that presents much more of a matchup problem for KC.  Couple that with the fact KC generated pressure quite a bit with just the front 4 and there it is.

 

3 hours ago, KOKBILLS said:

I think when we have time to take a deep breath and look back on this season it will become even more impressive that the Bills Offense was as good as it was considering we had next to no running game to compliment at all...It really is amazing. 

 

I have seen A TON of posts here about Bills fans lamenting the idea that not having a good running game is the main problem...I'm not going to tell you that it's good to not have a running game....but Kc has no running game to speak of either.  It is good to have one....but the part you guys are missing is the dynamic TE.  O good passing team can piece together a run game....you need a TE bad.  ...and then if nothing else at least get a pass catchign RB.  The Raiders give KC hell because even though that team isn't all that good....they are matchup nightmare for KC's D.  They have Waller...and even Jason Witten....along with a stable of RB's who all are good at recieving....their FB even lit us up for multiple catches.  If you can play two TE sets with a RB and FB adn ALL of them are threats to catch teh ball...KC can't cover that with their POOR LB.  ......so again...Buffalo came to this game with Diggs, Beasley and soem other WR's....all featured in their pass game.  KC has the horses to cover that....and if you could run...they'd not care.....PASS catchers that demand a LB on the field....you need them.

 

3 hours ago, noacls said:

Tre White=over rated

 

Since the game was over and I've had a chance to look at what the Bills did....White actually played his ass off....they tried manning him up on Hill and Kelce at different points of the game....with White on Hill...hill only had like 2 catches for 25 yards or something...and when he was manned on Kelce...Kelce had like 4 for 28 or somethuing.....He was very effective....problem is...there is only one Tre White....and he couldn't cover both at the same time...I can't speak to what the coaches were trying to do....KC was able to dial up pretty much whatever they wanted...but it wasn't becasue of Tre White.....that guy is worth the money.

[BobbyC81]

2 hours ago, Rock-A-Bye Beasley said:

Imagine letting the offense you built and  WR you traded for try to win the game. That’s why it hurts. They didn’t even try.  Maybe McDermott will learn. He has done it before. Go Bills. 

Here’s someone that agrees:

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/sean-mc-dermott-plays-its-safe-with-conservative-field-goals-in-afc-championship-loss-to-chiefs-031129771.html

[nucci]

1 hour ago, ColeB said:

Isn’t Isaiah McKenzie that guy?  An alternative may be in this year’s draft in Purdue’s Rondale Moore.  He is actually projected in WalterFootball’s latest 2021 Mock Draft as the Bills’ 2nd round pick.  Some reviews compare him to T.Hill.

Why was McKenzie on the bench most of the playoffs?

[RobbRiddick]

Maybe our offense was a bit too predictable in the playoffs. All the games felt like hard yards. When Diggs was covered it was hard to move to another tactic so hopefully in the offseason they scheme some things up that allow the offense to do that when one thing isn't working.

 

The most obvious thing is a running game. It would really help Josh if the opposing defense had any sort of worry that we could actually run it down their throats. Next would be getting the TEs more involved. Knox showed a few flashes here and there during the season but I really thought going into the season that TE would be a bigger part of our game.

 

Defense obviously a pass rush would help. I've been disappointed in Oliver since we drafted him but as people have said he needs a big body next to him to help free him up. Hughes has been great for us over the years but he's getting up there in age now and disappears for long stretches. A true wrecking ball that teams have to scheme for would really change this defense and open things up for guys like Oliver.

 

One thing about our D that is really noticeable is they don't play nasty. Even when they're having a good game it's more about them being disciplined and athletic. KC's defense was pure nastiness last night, they roughed up our receivers and their D line was aggressive the whole game. They had that killer instinct.

 

It was basically the first fight between Clubber Lang and Rocky. They seemed hungrier, nastier and they knocked us out

[finn]

7 hours ago, Success said:

It is almost infinitely better to discover this about ourselves in this game, and not the next game.

 

Good point. Sure seems there's a lot to work on suddenly, though. We need a running back, at least one guard, a corner, somebody to cover Kelsey, at least one receiver, and a defensive tackle. Oh, and a head coach who doesn't stab his team in the back. 

[Sundancer]

5 minutes ago, finn said:

Good point. Sure seems there's a lot to work on suddenly, though. We need a running back, at least one guard, a corner, somebody to cover Kelsey, at least one receiver, and a defensive tackle. Oh, and a head coach who doesn't stab his team in the back. 

Before we enter full panic mode, that was the defending SuperBowl champs, with the most talented offense in football, with one of the best offensive minds in football, who with that group lost one game this season.

 

And they were on their game when the Bills were off. 
 

There is a gap between them and the Bills but not a chasm. 

[finn]

32 minutes ago, Sundancer said:

Before we enter full panic mode, that was the defending SuperBowl champs, with the most talented offense in football, with one of the best offensive minds in football, who with that group lost one game this season.

 

And they were on their game when the Bills were off. 
 

There is a gap between them and the Bills but not a chasm. 

Maybe. From my list of needs, I would settle for a healthy Moss, a healthy Brown/Brown replacement, and a coach with a spine. Not in that order. 

[Artem Lipatov]

I don’t understand the anger to Brown. He was our best wr last year. He is obviously injured this year. I hope he will be good #2wr next year

[Coach Tuesday]

Kelce accounted for nearly 40% of Mahomes’ passes.  He was wide open on almost all of them.

 

This is completely inexcusable.

[Process]

22 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Kelce accounted for nearly 40% of Mahomes’ passes.  He was wide open on almost all of them.

 

This is completely inexcusable.

Any QB in the league could have done what mahomes did yesterday. I've never seen guys running open like that so consistently in an NFL game.

[RichRiderBills]

4 hours ago, ColeB said:

Isn’t Isaiah McKenzie that guy?  An alternative may be in this year’s draft in Purdue’s Rondale Moore.  He is actually projected in WalterFootball’s latest 2021 Mock Draft as the Bills’ 2nd round pick.  Some reviews compare him to T.Hill.

 

Not in a million years. Nowere near the verasatility, speed, and escapability.

[RichRiderBills]

A lot of people riding Frasier. I actually dont think the defensive game plan was that bad; make them drive the feild and hope for 3-4 stops the whole game, which is a reasonable goal, and maybe they make a mistake/ turnover. Also stiffen in the RZ and force FGs. Dont get gashed on chunk plays to Hill and contain the running game.

 

Instead we got 1 stop and 1 turnover, played terrible in the RZ...we able to stave off the chunk plays until the 2nd half, but eventually getting behind made us bring the safties up and got burned.

 

This was compounded by our offensive failings. Daboll and Mc Ds gameplan and in game management was the far worse offender. 

[Seoulofstone]

Shout-out to special teams in the loss. 4FGs (2 from over 50 yards), recovered an onside kick,  and a punt return fumble at the 3. That unit played lights out. Missed xp was the only blemish.

Edited January 25, 2021 by Seoulofstone

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

23 minutes ago, Process said:

Any QB in the league could have done what mahomes did yesterday. I've never seen guys running open like that so consistently in an NFL game.

I don’t get why josh didn’t take a page from that playbook. We needed to basically make 5-yard throws. He refused to do so for most of the game.  That’s all Mahomes did. 

[Mafioso]

8 hours ago, RockyBalboa said:

3 things:
1. Allen choked in the clutch (taking terrible sacks, bad throws all game, including the terrible Int at 31-15)
2. You don't kick FG's to make it 21-12 and then 24-15- McDermott! You go for it and score the TD!
3. The most important stat here- 
THE CHIEFS DID NOT PUNT ONCE after first series!The defense is terrible! Pathetic! ENOUGH SAID!

Agree with everything except I’m not sure the INT was 100 % on Josh.  The sacks for huge losses are the most infuriating thing to me because he seemingly has plenty of time to throw the ball away.

Edited January 25, 2021 by Mafioso

[Success]

8 hours ago, RockyBalboa said:

It was double coverage and terrible throw!

 

Aren't you also criticizing him for holding the ball too long?

 

Our receivers were covered all night. All night.  At that point of the game, he had to try to thread needles, and he actually hit the WR - but it bounced off him and into an INT.

 

You can't want him to get rid of the ball and be more aggressive, and then say "but don't throw into coverage."

 

[LabattBlue]

GBU...

 

GOOD

-Bass

-Early 9 point lead

 

BAD

-Allen...kind of had that same stare Kelly had in the SB blowouts...as in "what the hell is happening here"

-Diggs

-Offensive Line

 

 

UGLY

-KC was like the bully in the playground.  The Bills got one lucky punch in early(9 point lead), then got sand kicked in their face, tossed off the top of the slide, and taken back into school and jammed in a locker.

-Scheme against Kelce & Hill 

-McD going for 2 when down 17 was embarrassing and makes me wonder about him in big games going forward

-Edmunds...I bet he would be really good at flag football.

 

Summary...I didn't think the Bills were going to win, but I didn't expect them to be embarrassed and blown out.  Disappointing end to a very good season.

[Mafioso]

6 minutes ago, BTB said:

GBU...

 

GOOD

-Bass

-Early 9 point lead

 

BAD

-Allen...kind of had that same stare Kelly had in the SB blowouts...as in "what the hell is happening here"

-Diggs

-Offensive Line

 

 

UGLY

-KC was like the bully in the playground.  The Bills got one lucky punch in early(9 point lead), then got sand kicked in their face, tossed off the top of the slide, and taken back into school and jammed in a locker.

-Scheme against Kelce & Hill 

-McD going for 2 when down 17 was embarrassing and makes me wonder about him in big games going forward

-Edmunds...I bet he would be really good at flag football.

 

Summary...I didn't think the Bills were going to win, but I didn't expect them to be embarrassed and blown out.  Disappointing end to a very good season.

Yep, going for 2 down 17 was absolutely mind blowing...compounded by the fact that we actually recovered the onside kick!  That is an unforgivable coaching decision.  Down 16 and there is at least a flicker of hope if we recover that onside kick.  Down 17 = game over.

[Letitgobills]

Chiefs fan here... I tried to get registered last week before the game and talk football, but just got my registration ok'd. I changed the user name to Bills like in case that why I wasn't allowed to register, no offense with it.  You guys are good and will most likely be the rival to the Chiefs for years to come with our young QBs.    Mahomes is the difference for the Chiefs, he's made Kelce and Hill better and just makes plays.  Hill, Kelce and ROY Kareem Hunt all played with Alex Smith and we were one and done in the playoffs in 2017.  Josh is also the difference and can make amazing plays, our game plan was to keep him in the pocket because he is dangerous when he gets outside of it.   Also, our secondary is very good and was getting better all year.   Sneed is an amazing rookie and Thornhill seems to be back to his old self the last month after last years ACL injury.   I think the crowd yesterday also had an effect as visiting teams haven't had to deal with noise, and it was noisy despite only 20% capacity.   Bottom line, you will be back and there will be  a Manning/Brady rivalry with Mahomes/Allen.   I think it's great that these two small market teams will  probably be the AFC  gateway for the next decade.   

 

One last thing, I read a lot of Tyreek Hill myths on here.   The media quit reporting on Tyreek when it was found out his girlfriend was try to extort him with the claims he injured their son.   The entire audio and other evidence shows that she was lying not only about this, but probably about the incident in 2014 while she was pregnant.  There was no evidence in 2014, only a he said she said, and Tryeek was facing years in prison so plead so he could remain free and play football somewhere.   Tyreek has been a model citizen since he has been at KC, and he has CUSTODY of his kids, which should tell you all you need to know about the allegations.   Oh and the shove to that coach, was in jest, like a come on man I was open, and they were laughing 30 seconds later.

Edited January 25, 2021 by Letitgobills

[UKBillFan]

1 minute ago, Letitgobills said:

Chiefs fan here... I tried to get registered last week before the game and talk football, but just got my registration ok'd.  You guys are good and will most likely be the rival to the Chiefs for years to come with our young QBs.    Mahomes is the difference for the Chiefs, he's made Kelce and Hill better and just makes plays.  Hill, Kelce and ROY Kareem Hunt all played with Alex Smith and we were one and done in the playoffs in 2017.  Josh is also the difference and can make amazing plays, our game plan was to keep him in the pocket because he is dangerous when he gets outside of it.   Also, our secondary is very good and was getting better all year.   Sneed is an amazing rookie and Thornhill seems to be back to his old self the last month after last years ACL injury.   I think the crowd yesterday also had an effect as visiting teams haven't had to deal with noise, and it was noisy despite only 20% capacity.   Bottom line, you will be back and there will be  a Manning/Brady rivalry with Mahomes/Allen.   I think it's great that these two small market teams will  probably be the AFC  gateway for the next decade.   

 

One last thing, I read a lot of Tyreek Hill myths on here.   The media quit reporting on Tyreek when it was found out his girlfriend was try to extort him with the claims he injured their son.   The entire audio and other evidence shows that she was lying not only about this, but probably about the incident in 2014 while she was pregnant.  There was no evidence in 2014, only a he said she said, and Tryeek was facing years in prison so plead so he could remain free and play football somewhere.   Tyreek has been a model citizen since he has been at KC, and he has CUSTODY of his kids, which should tell you all you need to know about the allegations.   Oh and the shove to that coach, was in jest, like a come on man I was open, and they were laughing 30 seconds later.

Thanks for not gloating. I’m hoping you’re right but the gap between the two teams stood out a mile last night which is a bit of a concern. I was ready for a defeat but not necessarily the comprehensive way it came about.

[Letitgobills]

6 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

Thanks for not gloating. I’m hoping you’re right but the gap between the two teams stood out a mile last night which is a bit of a concern. I was ready for a defeat but not necessarily the comprehensive way it came about.

I think its the younger fans that gloat, who have had success during the Reid years.  Those of us that have lived the heartbreak for much longer realize how special this time is and realize how frail success can be at times.   I look forward to the rivalry over the next decade.  Who would have thought 10 years ago that in the 2020's the AFC power teams would be the Chiefs, Bills and Browns!  

[UKBillFan]

1 minute ago, Letitgobills said:

I think its the younger fans that gloat, who have had success during the Reid years.  Those of us that have lived the heartbreak for much longer realize how special this time is and realize how frail success can be at times.   I look forward to the rivalry over the next decade.  Who would have thought 10 years ago that in the 2020's the AFC power teams would be the Chiefs, Bills and Browns!  

It gives me confidence that you think there will be a rivalry despite yesterday but maybe that’s because everything is feeling slightly raw at the moment. ☺️

[WideNine]

9 hours ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Into single coverage...and the receiver decided to gift the ball to the defense with abysmal hands lol safety was nowhere near close enough to contest the catch 

 

Brown struggled all season after the injuries.

 

There is a stubborn coaching philosophy with the Bills to play their vets and starters even when they are not 100% over their depth.

 

That is part of the reason KC's corners looked like all stars jogging along with Brown and Davis.

 

Not sure what Dabs is waiting for in regards to getting McKinney more involved in the offense. The kid is a poor man's Hill and should have a larger role.

 

 

 

[Letitgobills]

Just now, UKBillFan said:

It gives me confidence that you think there will be a rivalry despite yesterday but maybe that’s because everything is feeling slightly raw at the moment. ☺️

This is a QB driven league and you have a very good QB and a pretty damn good coach as well, you will be very good for a long time.

[Success]

I'm at the "working on silver linings" in my stages of grief:

 

 1) Some fans will always put an asterisk next to this season regardless. I think that's ridiculous, but it's just a fact and that would have bugged me if we did end up w/ our 1st championship.

2) It would have been a long week of hearing the inflated narrative of "The Bills nightmare is waiting for them in the SB" and hearing about Brady's record against us and all that.

3) I would have to turn the volume down on any Brady interview where he would go through the generic and phony "Oh, Buffalo was always such a tough team to play, blah, blah, blah....
 

It's thin right now.  But I'll keep working on it.

[mannc]

1 hour ago, Mafioso said:

Yep, going for 2 down 17 was absolutely mind blowing...compounded by the fact that we actually recovered the onside kick!  That is an unforgivable coaching decision.  Down 16 and there is at least a flicker of hope if we recover that onside kick.  Down 17 = game over.

Good grief.  That was the least of the problems.  You’ve got to get two two-point conversions so why not get one right away. Entirely defensible and correct to go for two there.

[Patrick Duffy]

*Sigh*..... Well it's kinda hitting me a little more today. I "thought" I had for the most part mentally prepared myself for this loss due to the fact I had a feeling our Bills were not quite ready for the Chiefs. As it's settling in I'm a little heart broken.

 

Maybe it's because of how we lost? I don't know...but keep reminding myself that they have a lot to build off of and are almost there. We have an awesome Bills team and very likely will be top competitors for quite a few years to come.

 

Maybe it's hitting harder also because the reality of no more Bills football for a while. Anyways, still proud of them and was an incredible season. Off to mourn some more....

Edited January 25, 2021 by Patrick_Duffy