1/24/21 AFC Championship Game Postgame Thread

[ngbills]

1 minute ago, Fred Slacks said:

KC’s WR’s were so open it looked easy. Every one of our completions looked contested. Even the swing routes. It definitely was a scheme/coaching issue. One that hopefully McDermott can recognize fault and look for talent in the offseason to allow for better game planning. I have hope/faith they can. KC is beatable. We have a ways to go to get there though. That was evident tonight. 

Yep. Outcoached and outplayed.  Not even close .  

[WideNine]

1 minute ago, KOKBILLS said:

 

There was one crossing route early in the game where Edmunds dropped in zone and literally ran the opposite direction with Hill flashing behind him and I yelled "Where the hell are you going!" 😂

 

I saw that.

 

They said that Mahomes was moving him away from his zone responsibility with his eyes and easily getting him to bite on pump fakes and such.

 

It was a bit of deja vu, but not going to beat that dead horse tonight

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[transplantbillsfan]

1 hour ago, Mafioso said:

 

Here's the video

 

[Fred Slacks]

1 minute ago, WideNine said:

 

Yeah. 

 

KC was doing some good things on defense too, waiting for Allen to call protections and plays then switching things up before the snap. Did a good job of disguising looks too. It was a tough game all around.

 

 

It was frustrating on one hand because we are good. But no way can we hang with Kelce and Hill. We just don’t have anyone that can cover them. Scheme may be the issue but our talent isn’t there anyways. I suspect this will be a defensive heavy draft. Need the horses to keep up. Mahomes dodged like 2-3 sacks barely and that was a huge difference. But his guys were schemed open. Like I can’t recall one contested catch by a KC WR. The Bills WR’s seemed to be fighting tough for any separation. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

6 minutes ago, Fred Slacks said:

This. Allen needs to throw the underneath stuff more early and often. That opens up the rest of the field later. He wasn’t. Then he takes unnecessary sacks which put us in horrible down and distance. 
 

those complaining about the defensive game plan or Tre White not being matched up on their elite players need to rewatch the tape. Most of their big passes were short passes that broke for long yardage. Many of which were Tre White in coverage. A few times getting burnt off the line of scrimmage. 
 

we just need more speed on defense. More talent on D-line. Another stud CB. Preferably one who can handle man coverage. Offense I think we have people open. JA just needs to learn to be quicker on getting the ball out. More patient for the big plays. They were covering the deep stuff take the dump offs. That’s why Brady has been good all these years. Not because he hits on deep balls. It’s because he keeps the sticks moving. Dumps off to RB’s and has a 100 reception slot guy every season. 

Maybe its me or where I was sitting at the game but every route looked contested to me including the underneath stuff...I noticed maybe two plays where he had beasley open underneath and took a shot downfield.  The chiefs secondary completely dominated us 

8 minutes ago, BillsFan619 said:

Easy one for me. Go with the Bucs.

 

TB is already considered by most to be the GOAT. So, him winning again won’t change his narrative as much.

 

But if Mahomes wins, the narrative will be relentless especially with the whole Allen and Mahomes debate. Yuck!

It would be interesting if mahomes and Allen switched teams just for tonight...I dont think mahomes wouldve done any better with our offense 

[RockyBalboa]

3 things:
1. Allen choked in the clutch (taking terrible sacks, bad throws all game, including the terrible Int at 31-15)
2. You don't kick FG's to make it 21-12 and then 24-15- McDermott! You go for it and score the TD!
3. The most important stat here- 
THE CHIEFS DID NOT PUNT ONCE after first series!The defense is terrible! Pathetic! ENOUGH SAID!

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

2 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Anybody from the media ask McD about cluelessly kicking FGs??

Not this again.... Mahomes is better. Josh is good but Mahomes is better. He’s in a league of his own.

I didnt say he wasn't better lol our team got absolutely manhandled across the board and I think you can pick any nfl qb past or present you want and they don't do much under center for the bills tonight 

[SCBills]

2 hours ago, Kmart128 said:

We are gonna need another big weapon if we want to compete with Chiefs... they have Kelce and Hill. If we cant cover them we are gonna have to match them... who can we get to pair with Diggs and not nreak the bank 

Figure out a way to draft Najee Harris.  Not just as a runner, but he would be a guy we could target KC with on the underneath stuff like the pass Singletary dropped. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

3 minutes ago, RockyBalboa said:

3 things:
1. Allen choked in the clutch (taking terrible sacks, bad throws all game, including the terrible Int at 31-15)
2. You don't kick FG's to make it 21-12 and then 24-15- McDermott! You go for it and score the TD!
3. The most important stat here- 
THE CHIEFS DID NOT PUNT ONCE after first series!The defense is terrible! Pathetic! ENOUGH SAID!

The terrible int that hit John brown right in the hands? Lol

[SCBills]

7 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Anybody from the media ask McD about cluelessly kicking FGs??

Not this again.... Mahomes is better. Josh is good but Mahomes is better. He’s in a league of his own.

Maybe Mahomes doesn’t take the massive sacks, but he was throwing to wide open dudes alllll night.  Every throw Allen made, as highlighted numerous times by Romo, was under pressure and into a crazy tight window. 

[SCBills]

Just now, ScottLaw said:

Allen looked scared as ***** dude. Mahomes looked like it was just another game.... 

 

Just stop... Mahomes had Kelce wide open all game and Hill was torching us.  
 

I’m not saying Allen is better right now, but it’s absurd that you pretend to not have watched the same game we all watched.  
 

Romo literally pointed out how no one was getting open for us multiple times throughout the game.  

[RockyBalboa]

8 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

The terrible int that hit John brown right in the hands? Lol

Into double coverage!

[Straight Hucklebuck]

5 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Allen looked scared as ***** dude. Mahomes looked like it was just another game.... 

There was no pressure at all though. 
 

The Bills got 2-3 hurries the entire game.

 

I mean he gets all this credit for escaping, but who really got any pressure tonight? 
 

Did any lineman win one on one battles? 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

Just now, RockyBalboa said:

Into double coverage!

Into single coverage...and the receiver decided to gift the ball to the defense with abysmal hands lol safety was nowhere near close enough to contest the catch 

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

1 minute ago, ScottLaw said:

Daboll did him no favors, but he sucked tonight. Hes not better. He’s no Mahomes dude.... and that’s ok. He’s damn good. 

 

Nobody is saying he is better, but be honest...it's not like Mahomes was out of this world tonight; he didn't have to be because it was like playing catch out there.  Very little pressure and everyone was simply wide open.  Henne would have put up a similar game based on this defensive game plan.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

1 minute ago, RockyBalboa said:

Into double coverage!

Diggs got a few shots deep and the corner was glued to his back. 
 

Beasley did what he could underneath, but he’s not going to

pick up Diggs’ slack. 
 

Brown was mostly invisible again and this staff punted on using McKenzie all  three Playoff games.

Just now, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

 

Nobody is saying he is better, but be honest...it's not like Mahomes was out of this world tonight; he didn't have to be because it was like playing catch out there.  Very little pressure and everyone was simply wide open.  Henne would have put up a similar game based on this defensive game plan.

He had 325 yards, 71 of it came on a dump off to a wide open Hill who outran our entire defense.

[RockyBalboa]

2 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Into single coverage...and the receiver decided to gift the ball to the defense with abysmal hands lol safety was nowhere near close enough to contest the catch 

It was double coverage and terrible throw!

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

11 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 

Just stop... Mahomes had Kelce wide open all game and Hill was torching us.  
 

I’m not saying Allen is better right now, but it’s absurd that you pretend to not have watched the same game we all watched.  
 

Romo literally pointed out how no one was getting open for us multiple times throughout the game.  

Romo pointed out a lot 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

3 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Daboll did him no favors, but he sucked tonight. Hes not better. He’s no Mahomes dude.... and that’s ok. He’s damn good. 

I was at the game and thought allen actually played really well after some early jitters considering what he had to work with...maybe things look different on tv idk lol.   Mahomes being better overall sure ill concede that point to anybody.  Mahomes does nothing tonight under center for the bills...every receiver was locked up all night long and the offensive line was consistently getting steamrolled. You cannot even come close to comparing the two qbs vastly different situations this game.  Honestly thank goodness mahomes started Chad henne wouldve lit us up tonight 

5 minutes ago, RockyBalboa said:

It was double coverage and terrible throw!

What game were you watching lol ball hit brown's hands and deflected upward and the safety coming in to assist on the tackle that wasn't quite there yet had the ball land in his lap...it was an on the money throw to brown and then brown made an on the money throw right to the chiefs 🤣

[Straight Hucklebuck]

Just now, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I was at the game and thought allen actually played really well after some early jitters considering what he had to work with...maybe things look different on tv idk lol.   Mahomes being better overall sure ill concede that point to anybody.  Mahomes does nothing tonight under center for the bills...every receiver was locked up all night long and the offensive line was consistently getting steamrolled. You cannot even come close to comparing the two qbs vastly different situations this game.  Honestly thank goodness mahomes started Chad henne wouldve lit us up tonight 

From the TV it just looked like every WR (especially on the outside - Brown and Diggs) were draped in coverage.

 

Only Beasley was able to get away from time to time.

 

Also, it looked like pressure was coming from both DEs and Allen couldn’t step up because Jones was right there as well pushing Morse back.

 

Is that what it looked like from higher up? 

3 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I was at the game and thought allen actually played really well after some early jitters considering what he had to work with...maybe things look different on tv idk lol.   Mahomes being better overall sure ill concede that point to anybody.  Mahomes does nothing tonight under center for the bills...every receiver was locked up all night long and the offensive line was consistently getting steamrolled. You cannot even come close to comparing the two qbs vastly different situations this game.  Honestly thank goodness mahomes started Chad henne wouldve lit us up tonight 

And again, not much pre snap movement, or McKenzie, or wide formations. We ran a lot of Colts formations with tight trips and less spacing. 

[RockyBalboa]

6 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I was at the game and thought allen actually played really well after some early jitters considering what he had to work with...maybe things look different on tv idk lol.   Mahomes being better overall sure ill concede that point to anybody.  Mahomes does nothing tonight under center for the bills...every receiver was locked up all night long and the offensive line was consistently getting steamrolled. You cannot even come close to comparing the two qbs vastly different situations this game.  Honestly thank goodness mahomes started Chad henne wouldve lit us up tonight 

What game were you watching lol ball hit brown's hands and deflected upward and the safety coming in to assist on the tackle that wasn't quite there yet had the ball land in his lap...it was an on the money throw to brown and then brown made an on the money throw right to the chiefs 🤣

Same one as you! Double coverage, too many around to be forcing that throw!

[Straight Hucklebuck]

11 minutes ago, RockyBalboa said:

It was double coverage and terrible throw!

Knox did drop the ball one play before as well. He doesn’t come through enough despite having enough athleticism. 
 

Its instincts. Maybe not being counted on as a main threat in college. He’s just an athlete it seems, not a heady dependable player.

[Success]

1 minute ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

From the TV it just looked like every WR (especially on the outside - Brown and Diggs) were draped in coverage.

 

Only Beasley was able to get away from time to time.

 

Also, it looked like pressure was coming from both DEs and Allen couldn’t step up because Jones was right there as well pushing Morse back.

 

Is that what it looked like from higher up? 

 

When I watched live (like all of us), they just showed Allen in the pocket, and it's easy to have a gut reaction of "just get rid of it!" and all that. But then they showed the replay from a different angle, and you could see what Allen was seeing - it was a real eye opener.   Every time they did that, guys were just blanketed.  No one was getting free.

 

I'm still a little floored by how that part of the game played out. We haven't had many games like that - and I've seen Chiefs games where they didn't seem to cover quite at that level.  Just one of those nights.

 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

Just now, RockyBalboa said:

Same one as you! Double coverage, too many around to be forcing that throw!

That was probably pretty close to the most separation our receivers had in man coverage all night lol if you're faulting Allen for making that well thrown pass bevause there was a defender close we wouldve had about 30 yards of offense all night 🤣 

[BobbyC81]

3 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Game ball to Cole Beasley!! #15 was useless. #13 clearly wasn't healthy. 

I thought Stills was going to be active?  Did he play.?

[SCBills]

2 minutes ago, RockyBalboa said:

Same one as you! Double coverage, too many around to be forcing that throw!

Maybe someone besides Beasley could get open... otherwise, Allen forcing throws was necessary, especially with Jones and Clark bearing down on him with minor resistance. 

[RockyBalboa]

Just now, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

That was probably pretty close to the most separation our receivers had in man coverage all night lol if you're faulting Allen for making that well thrown pass bevause there was a defender close we wouldve had about 30 yards of offense all night 🤣 

Mahomes doesn't throw that pass or pick in the clutch time baby! Enough said!

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

8 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

From the TV it just looked like every WR (especially on the outside - Brown and Diggs) were draped in coverage.

 

Only Beasley was able to get away from time to time.

 

Also, it looked like pressure was coming from both DEs and Allen couldn’t step up because Jones was right there as well pushing Morse back.

 

Is that what it looked like from higher up? 

And again, not much pre snap movement, or McKenzie, or wide formations. We ran a lot of Colts formations with tight trips and less spacing. 

Thats exactly what it looked like...it was far from just brown and diggs too they took the entire passing game away with press man I did not think they had the personnel for that...that is scary if they can cover that well on a consistent basis i just dont see how they'll ever lose 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

6 minutes ago, Success said:

 

When I watched live (like all of us), they just showed Allen in the pocket, and it's easy to have a gut reaction of "just get rid of it!" and all that. But then they showed the replay from a different angle, and you could see what Allen was seeing - it was a real eye opener.   Every time they did that, guys were just blanketed.  No one was getting free.

 

I'm still a little floored by how that part of the game played out. We haven't had many games like that - and I've seen Chiefs games where they didn't seem to cover quite at that level.  Just one of those nights.

 

Only thing I could point out on Allen.

 

There was a fixed throw to Brown or Diggs outside the numbers when Yeldon was wide open for a 15 yard dump off.

 

I think I saw a similar Beasley open play, as you said, from the other side of the coin vantage point.

 

And Allen’s escape instincts always take him right and I wonder what defenses do to force that even more. Tonight they didn’t get any toe tap

miracles. 

Edited January 25, 2021 by Straight Hucklebuck

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

3 minutes ago, RockyBalboa said:

Mahomes doesn't throw that pass or pick in the clutch time baby! Enough said!

Haha mahomes has not thrown a pick on a well thrown ball because its bounced off his receivers hands in his entire career? I'll have to research this 🤣 youre beating up allen for honestly a great throw its so odd to me.  A wide open receiver could just as easily tip a ball up in the air and get it picked.  The defender that actually made the interception was trailing the play.  So you're just never gonna pass because every ball can be picked off at any time? And im supposing you're never gonna run cuz you can fumble the snap lol might as well punt on first down 

Edited January 25, 2021 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[GoBills808]

3 minutes ago, RockyBalboa said:

Mahomes doesn't throw that pass or pick in the clutch time baby! Enough said!

Wrong forum guy

[Straight Hucklebuck]

3 minutes ago, RockyBalboa said:

Mahomes doesn't throw that pass or pick in the clutch time baby! Enough said!

That was deep in the game, and the story was already being played out. 
 

That didn’t “set the tone” for the game

or anything like that. The Bills were down multiple scores and Allen was in a scramble drill. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

2 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Only thing I could point out on Allen.

 

There was a fixed throw to Brown or Diggs outside the numbers when Yeldon was wide open for a 15 yard dump off.

 

I think I saw a similar Beasley open play, as you said, from the side

of the coin.

 

And Allen’s escape instincts always take him right and I wonder what defenses do to force that even more. Tonight they didn’t get any toe tap

miracles. 

Allen made one preposterous play rolling right but it was more in the middle of the field.  Chiefs got him on a really nice corner blitz from the side he was rolling too early on I think it was right but im not 100% sure...much like we were doing against lamar.  Yea I noticed one where he had beasley and he went for a deep corner route instead thats the only play that stood out to me. Im sure josh was shocked that he was getting the single coverage looks he wanted and nobody could beat their man

[RockyBalboa]

3 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Haha mahomes has not thrown a pick on a well thrown ball because its bounced off his receivers hands in his entire career? I'll have to research this 🤣 youre beating up allen for honestly a great throw its so odd to me.  A wide open receiver could just as easily tip a ball up in the air and get it picked.  The defender that actually made the interception was trailing the play.  So you're just never gonna pass because every ball can be picked off at any time? And im supposing you're never gonna run cuz you can fumble the snap lol might as well punt on first down 

Mahomes wouldn't throw that pass or pick on that play in that situation! Allen choked in the clutch time! Enough said!

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

2 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

That was deep in the game, and the story was already being played out. 
 

That didn’t “set the tone” for the game

or anything like that. The Bills were down multiple scores and Allen was in a scramble drill. 

It wasn't even a bad pass though haha thats the part thats confusing me.  Did I see it wrong did it not hit brown directly in both hands? Honestly if this guy is a chiefs fan and doesn't trust mahomes to make that throw then thats a negative for mahomes not a positive

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

Imagine letting the offense you built and  WR you traded for try to win the game. That’s why it hurts. They didn’t even try.  Maybe McDermott will learn. He has done it before. Go Bills. 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

1 minute ago, RockyBalboa said:

Mahomes wouldn't throw that pass or pick on that play in that situation! Allen choked in the clutch time! Enough said!

Thanks Rocky, you’ve said the same thing 17 times.

 

Thanks for the expert analysis.

 

The play before Knox drops a laser that hit his hands, Brown was double covered and the ball still got there.

 

The broadcast all night showed Allen harassed with nowhere to throw the ball.

 

I pointed out two dump offs that Allen bypassed for more difficult throws, but overall, dump offs to Beasley and Yeldon aren’t going to win Conference Title Games.

 

Allen had 200 yards passing, 88 on the ground. He fought his guts out.

 

I know Mahomes is the new GOAT according to the Kingdom, but he isn’t Brady yet either. There’s always a bigger fish. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

1 minute ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Thanks Rocky, you’ve said the same thing 17 times.

 

Thanks for the expert analysis.

 

The play before Knox drops a laser that hit his hands, Brown was double covered and the ball still got there.

 

The broadcast all night showed Allen harassed with nowhere to throw the ball.

 

I pointed out two dump offs that Allen bypassed for more difficult throws, but overall, dump offs to Beasley and Yeldon aren’t going to win Conference Title Games.

 

Allen had 200 yards passing, 88 on the ground. He fought his guts out.

 

I know Mahomes is the new GOAT according to the Kingdom, but he isn’t Brady yet either. There’s always a bigger fish. 

Hes a chiefs fan trolling im pretty sure based on the 0 post total lol its a shame every time you really respect a player on another team and are impressed at what they can do one of their fans has to ruin it 🤣

[The Jokeman]

3 hours ago, buffalo2218 said:

The thing that burns me more than anything is that the Browns gave KC more of a game than we did. KC didn't move the ball at will against them like they did us. Beane saw that we needed a playmaking WR and got him last year. Who does he decide to go after this year?

The Browns faced a banged up Mahomes. You'd never know he had the same toe injury against us. Toss in the Bills don't have a Myles Garrett type on the defensive line.

[RockyBalboa]

6 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Thanks Rocky, you’ve said the same thing 17 times.

 

Thanks for the expert analysis.

 

The play before Knox drops a laser that hit his hands, Brown was double covered and the ball still got there.

 

The broadcast all night showed Allen harassed with nowhere to throw the ball.

 

I pointed out two dump offs that Allen bypassed for more difficult throws, but overall, dump offs to Beasley and Yeldon aren’t going to win Conference Title Games.

 

Allen had 200 yards passing, 88 on the ground. He fought his guts out.

 

I know Mahomes is the new GOAT according to the Kingdom, but he isn’t Brady yet either. There’s always a bigger fish. 

4 times! Correct, double covered..and you don't throw that pass, period.