97bills Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 5 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said: He should I advocated for Jonathan Taylor last year that seemed to workout pretty well for the Colts Right I’m so tired of hearing not use a first on a running back if his worth it great. This team needs a running game bad I’m really surprised it’s not hurt us yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 Just now, 97bills said: Right I’m so tired of hearing not use a first on a running back if his worth it great. This team needs a running game bad I’m really surprised it’s not hurt us yet. how far do they have to advance for you to admit they don’t need a running game that bad? 1 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBills88 Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 Are we taking account the oline & the run scheme. Motor proved already he can handle running the load. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 Really depends to some degree on who they look to lose in FA . Its all about pass and defend the pass in this league, so pass rushers and O LIne could be key in the 1st for the Bills, depending on if Daryl Williams or Matt Milano are cap casualties, for example, due to Josh's monster contract trashing the Bills salary cap. Running backs are pretty much a dime a dozen in todays NFL. Especially for this team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97bills Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 8 minutes ago, Rock-A-Bye Beasley said: how far do they have to advance for you to admit they don’t need a running game that bad? Win the super bowl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 5 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said: He should I advocated for Jonathan Taylor last year that seemed to workout pretty well for the Colts If it worked out so well, how come the Colts are home? The Colts aren't the Bills. IMO we'll see pass rusher/OL as our early selections, and more so if we can't keep Milano/Feliciano/D. Williams. We have much bigger needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 4 hours ago, Warcodered said: I'd rather we work on our run blocking and pick up another good TE. "another"? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 I think the Bills will go Edge or TE early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 I didn’t see anything from Moss this year that would make me stop looking for a better running back. He’s that Mike Tolbert, Chris Ivory, Frank Gore pounder that our staff likes, but he’s slow and not a game breaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapeBreton Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 While Singletary and Moss aren't elite, they're both pretty solid players on rookie deals. I don't see the need to draft one in 2021, there will be lots of good RBs the next year, and the year after that, just wait until we absolutely need one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 There's no way that a running back is getting drafted again 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 (edited) This could be a trade down year as there could be a team that wants to get a QB late in the first similar to what the Ravens did to get Lamar Jackson on 2018. I might do it if I'm the Bills to recoup some of the lost picks in the Diggs trade. As yes we don't have many immediate needs but still feel we need to work on depth at LB and depending on free agency may need some help along the offensive line. We also will likely need some help on the D-line. Edited January 19, 2021 by The Jokeman 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 6 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said: He should I advocated for Jonathan Taylor last year that seemed to workout pretty well for the Colts Taylor went at pick 41. Were you advocating not getting Diggs? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpsredemption Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 The Bills are a modern day nfl offense and a modern day smart front office. No need to overdraft or overpay for that position. Moss and Singletary will be just fine with a new 3rd compliment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 1 hour ago, 97bills said: Right I’m so tired of hearing not use a first on a running back if his worth it great. This team needs a running game bad I’m really surprised it’s not hurt us yet. Can we use a first on an offensive lineman? We haven't done that yet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maryland-bills-fan Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said: That would make three “day one” picks used on running backs in three consecutive years - for a passing team... I think that you are ignoring some well known facts about the nfl draft. I think that there are basically 4 tiers in the draft. [1] The first 15 or so players. Very clearly superior players that are expected to start right away and may be all pro within 2-3 years [2] The 16-50 players, who are likey to be starters by the end of their first year. [3] The 51 to 230+ rest of the draft, who might make a roster and have a decreasing chance of being a starter or rotational player [4] UFA who may be practice squad player or bottom of the roster backups Yes there are exceptions all the time. The above types are just limited by the physical and mental profile of the American population. We have drafted running backs with the 74th pick (Singletary) and 86 (Moss). They are in group 3 and are nice backup players. Sometimes you may get lucky, most of the time you get what you expect. Remember that TThomas was drafted #40 [2] but without his knee injury he would have been taken earlier than the 7th RB selected. Edited January 19, 2021 by maryland-bills-fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 I have no problem with them taking a RB early. A roster is improved through many sources: resigning players, trades, free agency, the draft. If you’re taking care of things in the other three categories then you use the draft for the fourth. The Bills are FINALLY in the position I’ve read about for years on here....take the Best Player Available! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 5 hours ago, kevnallen said: Don’t forget, the Thurmanator was a second round pick Realistically only due to injury and he semi-invented the "chip on his shoulder" mode against all the other NFL teams!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH3 Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 Is it more run blocking or running back? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 4 hours ago, kevnallen said: Don’t forget, the Thurmanator was a second round pick There was a very serious reason for that as he blew out his knee his JR year in college and his backup Barry Sanders started that season for him. When he returned he put Barry back on the bench. With so much mileage on him in college teams were afraid he was all used up. The Buffalo Bills medical staff cleared him and drafted him #40th. Thomas carried 897 times for OSU. ESPN had projected Thomas to be an early first round pick and had a TV crew in his home on draft day. Seven other RBs were drafted ahead of Thurman though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 He won’t be available at pick 32. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 (edited) The Bills are truly in a position to go after BPA aside from QB with their high draft picks. With that said I would love to see the Bills go after DE and DT as the biggest pressing needs. TE would be the biggest need on offense. More depth and competition on the OL, LB and CB's. RB could use a possible upgrade but if the Bills did this they would have to trade one of their RB's. Edited January 19, 2021 by Magox 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 Just now, TH3 said: Is it more run blocking or running back? I'd guess blocking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 5 hours ago, kevnallen said: Don’t forget, the Thurmanator was a second round pick Realistically only due to injury and he semi-invented the "chip on his shoulder" mode against all the other NFL teams!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 2 hours ago, Real McNasty said: We are a passing 1st team and the combo of Moss/Motor rushed for 1168yds and caught another 364yds. The combo gave us 1532yds total at the position on a passing team. I don't get the obsession with a high rd RB draft pick for our team when the combo of the 2 is high level RB1 numbers. Again, on a passing first team. We can do better... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 Just now, Magox said: The Bills are truly in a position to go after BPA aside from QB with their high draft picks. With that said I would love to see the Bills go after DE and DL as the biggest pressing needs. TE would be the biggest need on offense. More depth and competition on the OL, LB and CB's. RB could use a possible upgrade but if the Bills did this they would have to trade one of their RB's. I'd say buffalo hit on 1 2nd round pick in dawkins, and ford is looking like a miss (at least as a starter). I think there are upgrades to be had along the offensive line - and they should consider using high draft capital to address it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: "another"? You got spoiled with Gronk for years. Knox is an ok TE that might still improve. I’m not his biggest fan but he is NFL average or thereabouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maryland-bills-fan Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 What we need in a single running back are the following: [1] He has to have the speed to get to the outside. Right now we are using WR screens and jet sweeps to get around the corner. That limits us. We would have an entire additional layer to the play book with somebody like Taylor. [2] He has to be able to pass block. We can not go the route of a little guy, regardless of his speed, and pass catching ability. Also, going with a wham type former DE (like the Ravens) reduces the options of plays as well. [3] He has to have the speed to be dangerous for quick hitters between the tackles or to slip out of the backfield al la T.Thomas to get a short dump off pass and take it far. This year, I don't see any single back for all this coming up in the draft. I'm afraid we are stuck with looking for a scat back type and/or a fullback type in the later rounds. More likely is that we get a low cost veteran who is very good in one of these catagories and okay in the rest. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 Just now, 4merper4mer said: You got spoiled with Gronk for years. Knox is an ok TE that might still improve. I’m not his biggest fan but he is NFL average or thereabouts. Rough year for him. Injuries and covid and all that. I'm not saying an upgrade can't be had - I'm just saying don't spend a 1st on a TE. It rarely works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 I think we need to do something to help the run game but I don’t know enough to know if we need a better back, better line play, or better scheme... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 Just now, maryland-bills-fan said: What we need in a single running back are the following: [1] He has to have the speed to get to the outside. Right now we are using WR screens and jet sweeps to get around the corner. That limits us. We would have an entire additional layer to the play book with somebody like Taylor. [2] He has to be able to pass block. We can not go the route of a little guy, regardless of his speed, and pass catching ability. Also, going with a wham type former DE (like the Ravens) reduces the options of plays as well. [3] He has to have the speed to be dangerous for quick hitters between the tackles or to slip out of the backfield al la T.Thomas to get a short dump off pass and take it far. This year, I don't see any single back for all this coming up in the draft. I'm afraid we are stuck with looking for a scat back type and/or a fullback type in the later rounds. More likely is that we get a low cost veteran who is very good in one of these catagories and okay in the rest. Speeds nice and all - but right now we can't even run the ball up the middle into a weak box. That to me seems like our offensive line isn't doing their job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berg1029 Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 (edited) I'm split on needing another RB. I'm tempted to say that we could use a pass catching/pass protection RB that can also occasionally tote the ball (i.e. a player like Nyheim Hines, James White, Darren Sproles, etc.).. but I'm not 100% sure that we would even use them. We have hardly used Yeldon despite him being a serviceable player in this regard. I think for pounding the rock, we are likely good with Moss next year. He's cheap and he's effective enough. It's not that I don't like Harris.. I just don't think he will be available when the Bills pick. If for some reason he is available, then by all means (assuming there isn't a better player available). Best pick available, always take the talent! Maybe the real answer to what we need is an athletic fullback that can play in pass pro/pass catching and simultaneously help with the running game. Imagine someone that can catch out of the backfield, throw some blocks in both running game and pass protection. The running game was obviously better last year with DiMarco present. I know there were a lot of Patrick DiMarco haters here because he didn't contribute visibly on the stat sheet (I def think he helped the running game when he was in). Maybe someone like Larry Centers? Edited January 19, 2021 by berg1029 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 There are sooooo many decent free agent running backs this year, after the draft some of their price tags drop considerably. I see no reason we’d even think about using a first round pick on one. We are gonna need some defensive players on rookie deals for sure. Breida, McKinnon, Booker (looked great in his limited work in Vegas) , Jeff Wilson, Jamal williams, marlon Mack, Wayne Gallman.. Some guys may get signed, but there’s going to be some cut too I’m sure before free agency. Running back is quite easy to fill a spot for and not have to over pay. And there’s some really really nice options out there for the limited touches we offer. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 Hey, Aaron Jones for GB was a 5th round pick...201 attempts, 1104 yards, 9 TDs, 5.5 rush yards per attempt. GB RB Jamaal Williams was a 4th rounder...AJ Dillon was a 2nd rounder. BTW, Aaron Jones is third on the Packers in receiving after #1 WR Davante Adams and #2 TE Robert Tonyan. All I'm advocating... is to actually run more often and find that top RB anywhere you can... like Green Bay happened to do. P.S. The Packers do have a pair of pro bowlers at tackle and OG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllin Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 motor/moss/williams seems good to me for this type of O 🤷♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 Instead of wasting another high pick on running back, we could get a pretty decent, proven one in free agency. I'm guessing it would cost maybe $5M and we would know what we're getting. Options: Chris Carson Kenyan Drake Todd Gurley Carlos Hyde Marlon Mack Phillip Lindsay Save the first round pick for a CB, DE, or someone else who isn't a dime a dozen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Rigotz said: Instead of wasting another high pick on running back, we could get a pretty decent, proven one in free agency. I'm guessing it would cost maybe $5M and we would know what we're getting. Options: Chris Carson Kenyan Drake Todd Gurley Carlos Hyde Marlon Mack Phillip Lindsay Save the first round pick for a CB, DE, or someone else who isn't a dime a dozen. I’ve always liked Drake...he runs angry Edited January 19, 2021 by JaCrispy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mynamemike Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 Can you imagine this offense with an Alvin Kamara or Christian Mccaffrey style of running back. It would be unstoppable. We already use Singletary in that way, he just has no explosion or top end speed to make defenses fear him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 I too believe the Bills need to add an Offensive weapon in the role of a RB, as much as I like Moss and Singletary. However, I also think Williams showed against Miami - and a very talented and motivated Defense - can be a powerful RB, that what is needed is more of the Thurman type of RB. To me, as much as I like Harris as the pure RB in the Draft, Etienne is more of the Thurman type RB, IMHO. Etienne is a very fast, shifty, pass catching RB who can be used in a variety of ways bringing multiple means to effect the Offense more so, IMO, than many others in the Draft. If this were last year, I'd be all over Harris hoping he could be the strong, power RB - but with Moss / Williams and then Etienne as the all-purpose threat, that just makes more sense in my mind. Big question, will Etienne be there when the Bills Draft? I don't think so....but if you're looking for the Thurman 2.0, in the contemporary NFL, I think Etienne is more in that mold. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maryland-bills-fan Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, Mynamemike said: Can you imagine this offense with an Alvin Kamara or Christian Mccaffrey style of running back. It would be unstoppable. We already use Singletary in that way, he just has no explosion or top end speed to make defenses fear him. Yep. No one has to spy on the RB to cover a possible running lane,. They can catch him and not give up a chunk play. Fewer defensive eyes looking into the backfield means better pass defense. 1 minute ago, BigBuff423 said: I too believe the Bills need to add an Offensive weapon in the role of a RB, as much as I like Moss and Singletary. However, I also think Williams showed against Miami - and a very talented and motivated Defense - can be a powerful RB, that what is needed is more of the Thurman type of RB. To me, as much as I like Harris as the pure RB in the Draft, Etienne is more of the Thurman type RB, IMHO. Etienne is a very fast, shifty, pass catching RB who can be used in a variety of ways bringing multiple means to effect the Offense more so, IMO, than many others in the Draft. If this were last year, I'd be all over Harris hoping he could be the strong, power RB - but with Moss / Williams and then Etienne as the all-purpose threat, that just makes more sense in my mind. Big question, will Etienne be there when the Bills Draft? I don't think so....but if you're looking for the Thurman 2.0, in the contemporary NFL, I think Etienne is more in that mold. Etienne might be available with our first round pick or (after some draft position swapping to get two picks in the top 50) even with a 2nd round pick. He is 210 pounds, which isn't tiny. He could be a better pass catcher and pass blocker. I don't know if that is because they didn't waste using him that way and that he could be taught up, or if it just isn't him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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