Ramza86 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 We play base nickel...this should be easy. I dont get it. I think for about half of the year ive been screaming...please cover the freaking tight end. Yesterday I was boiling watching it unfold again. Anyone have any ideas? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 Because they are big and strong, I suppose. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 Better learn how to cover them this week, or mark andrews is going to eat them alive 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 7 minutes ago, Ramza86 said: We play base nickel...this should be easy. I dont get it. I think for about half of the year ive been screaming...please cover the freaking tight end. Yesterday I was boiling watching it unfold again. Anyone have any ideas? I posted this in the post-game thread, but will paste it here because it supports your point: Notable tidbit from Indy Star— didn’t realize we did so poorly against TE’s: Buffalo’s defense gave up 993 yards to tight ends this season, the second-most in the NFL, and Indianapolis got back into Saturday’s game by exploiting the Bills’ weakness. Jack Doyle exploded for seven catches, 70 yards and a touchdown; Mo Alie-Cox made four grabs for 32 yards; and Trey Burton picked up 34 yards on three grabs, piling up a total of 14 catches for 136 yards. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 Part matchups, part mental errors. No easy fix and it will be interesting who draws that assignment with the Ravens tight end heavy scheme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cale Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 Easy. We don't have a decent tight end to cover in practice. Dawson Knox is not it. Our best TE is on IR. 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 It hasn't kept us from winning 14 games so far this year. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 We play nickel instead of big nickel. None of our LBers have really stepped up against TEs this season. All of our DBs are 6’ or under. This defense has been inconsistent with passing off TEs from on defender to another. The pass rush has given TEs time to settle into zones or get down the seam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 There’s a reason the Bills were all over the guy Patriots took before us in the 2nd round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapeBreton Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: There’s a reason the Bills were all over the guy Patriots took before us in the 2nd round. Kyle Dugger? You're saying we need a huge safety to cover these TE's and Hyde/Poyer aren't the answer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 20 minutes ago, Ramza86 said: We play base nickel...this should be easy. I dont get it. I think for about half of the year ive been screaming...please cover the freaking tight end. Yesterday I was boiling watching it unfold again. Anyone have any ideas? Lots of zone. There are soft spots in zones. In cover 2 its between the safeties, in cover 3 and cover 4 its usually nearer to the hash marks. This is usually where TEs run their routes. 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lothar Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: There’s a reason the Bills were all over the guy Patriots took before us in the 2nd round. Well, to be fair that "guy" has been pretty underwhelming in NE thus far. IIRC, he didn't see much of the field as the season went on. I think it's a scheme weakness. Edited January 11, 2021 by Lothar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 Well this game on Saturday I'm sure this will be a priority along with stopping the run. I think the Bills D will have their hands full this weekend. Hopefully the offense can play well enough to counter it and enough to pull out a win. However, I think I would rather play the Ravens than the Titans if having to choose between the 2. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: There’s a reason the Bills were all over the guy Patriots took before us in the 2nd round. I'd like a big nickel safety too - but the idea there is that you can keep him out there in 11 personnel and feel like you are OK in coverage and OK against the run. Not usually matching up with a TE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McMuffin Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 (edited) That's what worries me about the Ravens. I think that the Bills can win but would not be surprised if they lost because of the damage that tight ends have been doing to us. Edited January 11, 2021 by McMuffin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedbuffaloblue Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 I think if you look back over the past ten years or so you will find similar stats. This has been a problem for years. Don’t ask me to explain it as I have no answers. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 Milano played some safety in college. Andrews and Kelce next week if we win are gonna kill us. Kind of late to. W making a change, but maybe get Klein in the field more at the expense of Taron Johnson and move Milano to the big nickel. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILBillsfan Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 26 minutes ago, Ramza86 said: We play base nickel...this should be easy. I dont get it. I think for about half of the year ive been screaming...please cover the freaking tight end. Yesterday I was boiling watching it unfold again. Anyone have any ideas? Absolutely has been a weakness all year for the Bills and of course Jackson loves to feast on the middle of the field where the TE tends to roam. Go back to last year on that busted coverage on the TE vs the Ravens. Have to take the middle of the field away and make him beat you outside. Be really interesting to see the scheme they come up vs the Ravens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 5 minutes ago, Patrick_Duffy said: Well this game on Saturday I'm sure this will be a priority along with stopping the run. I think the Bills D will have their hands full this weekend. Hopefully the offense can play well enough to counter it and enough to pull out a win. However, I think I would rather play the Ravens than the Titans if having to choose between the 2. perfectly used SBTB meme. by the way, I have this on a t-shirt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBobs Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 26 minutes ago, Ramza86 said: We play base nickel...this should be easy. I dont get it. I think for about half of the year ive been screaming...please cover the freaking tight end. Yesterday I was boiling watching it unfold again. Anyone have any ideas? This season we've struggled with bigger receivers (Parker, Metcalfe), tight ends, and slot receivers (Crowder, Kupp). On the tight end front though we've played all the best this season: Gesicki, Waller, Kelcie, the Colts stable. I think the Milano injury, lack of pass rush from our front four probably are top contributors, and lack of size among our corners are probably top contributors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, CapeBreton said: Kyle Dugger? You're saying we need a huge safety to cover these TE's and Hyde/Poyer aren't the answer? Dugger was looked at the play the Big Nickel spot. He is saying our nickel corners aren't big or athletic enough to match up well on TEs Edited January 11, 2021 by ndirish1978 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qbford8 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 It comes down to the lesser of all evils we’re 13 and three a tightend hasn’t beat us yet if we’re going to give up yards my role give it up to somebody who’s not gonna break the game wide-open I truly believe the game plan this week will be a good one going forward for the bills I think they’re gonna do a good job containing the ravens offense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: perfectly used SBTB meme. by the way, I have this on a t-shirt. lol, I try to think about how well they did against the Ravens last season and I feel a little better about it because Bills didn't have the offensive fire power last season. If they did they could have won I believe. 11 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: perfectly used SBTB meme. by the way, I have this on a t-shirt. lol, I try to think about how well they did against the Ravens last season and I feel a little better about it because Bills didn't have the offensive fire power last season. If they did they could have won I believe. 11 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: perfectly used SBTB meme. by the way, I have this on a t-shirt. lol, I try to think about how well they did against the Ravens last season and I feel a little better about it because Bills didn't have the offensive fire power last season. If they did they could have won I believe. Don't know why that posted 3 times, but anyways... Edited January 11, 2021 by Patrick_Duffy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 Looking at Ravens personnel, they only throw to 3 players. One is a fast shifty guy in Brown (tre White), one us a big WR in Snead and the other is a stud Tight End. Wallace and Taron Johnson could be liabilities on Saturday. Maybe more Josh Norman who’s a bigger CB and more Milano in the big nickel role are the answer. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearNorth Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 If they exist, we need either a BIG safety or a fast backer, not super stout against the runs, but can play D on the Kelce's of the NFL. Been getting gashed all year on throws to the TE. Meanwhile we need a better tight end room, Superman Josh has saved us to this point, but Brady has always had one [or more] badass tight ends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills6969 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 Our LBs are weak in pass coverage. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 41 minutes ago, Ramza86 said: We play base nickel...this should be easy. I dont get it. I think for about half of the year ive been screaming...please cover the freaking tight end. Yesterday I was boiling watching it unfold again. Anyone have any ideas? It is a conscious choice. The Bills like to play a 4-2-5 with Taron Johnson - he is all of 5'11"" and 190 lbs. They appear to value quickness over TE coverage and shedding blocks ability at that spot. The basic idea is to limit big plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 21 minutes ago, CapeBreton said: Kyle Dugger? You're saying we need a huge safety to cover these TE's and Hyde/Poyer aren't the answer? The Bills don't have the big nickel that the Panthers' D had in the form of Thomas Davis or Shaq Thompson aka a LB/S hybrid. I suppose Milano is the closest thing we have yet he isn't great against TEs because a lack of size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsToast Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 There is only 1 solution: draft Donte Whitner 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo ill Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 I thought the Bills had small fast LBs, who are not very good run stoppers/hard hitters, because they could play pass defense well. Doh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuseBill Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 13 minutes ago, Bleedbuffaloblue said: I think if you look back over the past ten years or so you will find similar stats. This has been a problem for years. Don’t ask me to explain it as I have no answers. Exactly. It has been an inexplicable weakness for many years, with different coordinators and different personnel. Was always particularly noticeable when we played against NE and Gronk, but with other teams as well. It's probably been both a scheme and personnel issue, but we have never really been able to solve the riddle. I think our overall team success this year has made the problem less glaringly noticeable, but it still seems to persist. We don't have a big nickel safety and while I think Edmunds is probably the best-suited 'backer to cover a good tight end, when we're in zone coverage and given his position, he's not going to be the guy. If I knew the answer I'd be interviewing with NFL teams right now instead of posting here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 4 minutes ago, CuseBill said: Exactly. It has been an inexplicable weakness for many years, with different coordinators and different personnel. Was always particularly noticeable when we played against NE and Gronk, but with other teams as well. It's probably been both a scheme and personnel issue, but we have never really been able to solve the riddle. I think our overall team success this year has made the problem less glaringly noticeable, but it still seems to persist. We don't have a big nickel safety and while I think Edmunds is probably the best-suited 'backer to cover a good tight end, when we're in zone coverage and given his position, he's not going to be the guy. If I knew the answer I'd be interviewing with NFL teams right now instead of posting here. Agree here. It's been a problem for years, but it has been magnified this season for some reason. There were so many games where I was wondering if the defense would ever do something to stop the throws to the TEs, because teams were just doing it over and over again and we had no response. We haven't really lost games because of it this year, but it's mostly because we had a strong offense to outscore others. I guess I just have to agree with others that it's a weakness of the scheme or something, like the deep out is a weakness of the Cover 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 For the season, AJ Klein did not do well in coverage while Milano was injured. For the game, Cookie had a bad 2nd half in coverage. Edmunds had 4 PD's that I counted, so he did his job. If Cookie plays up to par, we'll be better against the TE's 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 42 minutes ago, CapeBreton said: Kyle Dugger? You're saying we need a huge safety to cover these TE's and Hyde/Poyer aren't the answer? Yes. But a 3rd safety in "big nickle" packages. Would also provide a lift filling run lanes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msw2112 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 51 minutes ago, Buffalo Junction said: We play nickel instead of big nickel. None of our LBers have really stepped up against TEs this season. All of our DBs are 6’ or under. This defense has been inconsistent with passing off TEs from on defender to another. The pass rush has given TEs time to settle into zones or get down the seam. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 Well whatever we do on Saturday, it’s gotta be significantly better than what we did against the colts. Ravens are a bigger test and that same defensive effort will end the season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 7 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said: For the season, AJ Klein did not do well in coverage while Milano was injured. For the game, Cookie had a bad 2nd half in coverage. Edmunds had 4 PD's that I counted, so he did his job. If Cookie plays up to par, we'll be better against the TE's Agree with this. Klein is not a good coverage LB. Milano had a very rough second half against the Colts, but that doesn't mean that he can't rebound and do better next week. Edmunds did quite well in coverage. He nearly had 2 interceptions. Our defense will have their hands full, which is why we need the offense to score as often as they can. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddicksTDLeap Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 Taron Johnson has no business covering a guy who is 10 inches taller and 80lbs heavier. It doesn’t matter how good he is against the run, or against a shifty slot guy. He has no business running with a TE. I’d rather see Hyde or Milano shadowing, than watching Taron Johnson get beat up the seams another play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 44 minutes ago, dneveu said: Lots of zone. There are soft spots in zones. In cover 2 its between the safeties, in cover 3 and cover 4 its usually nearer to the hash marks. This is usually where TEs run their routes. Plus the fact that it takes time for a TE to find the soft spot. Without getting to the QB quickly just increases his chances to get open. Receiving TEs usually chip a rusher before falling into coverage to find open space. Rivers had the cleanest jersey in the stadium Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 We need to force Lamar to pass it to his WR’s. It looks like he is praying every time he had to throw it to a WR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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