How do we keep Daboll around?

[loveorhatembillsfan4life]

At one point I didn’t think I’d ever be saying  this but How can we convince Daboll to stay for a while longer? This offense is so fun and rolling right now. 

 

 He will get his head coaching opportunity, whenever he wants It. 
 

Part of me hopes The lure of continuing to coach Josh and Diggs could be a factor. Or maybe he might find finishing the job of bringing our first Super Bowl to Buffalo would be the ultimate accomplishment before he leaves.

 

I know it’s everyone dream to get the gig but it doesn’t always pan out for everyone. Maybe it will for him but our window is the next few years. I am a bit nervous about anything that could set this team back going forward.

 

 

 

Edited December 20, 2020 by loveorhatembillsfan4life

[Philly McButterpants]

Keep your fingers crossed that somehow/someway, the Chargers keep Anthony Lynn as their HC.

[DaggersEOD]

I think if we “back up the brinks truck” for him to show that we acknowledge his skills/talent it could blunt the draw of a HC position. 
 

I have also heard that him and JA are like BFFs and that has to count for something. 
 

I think being a part of a potentially historic team is better than a potential HC position where we can potentially fall on his face when he doesn’t have a transcendent QB. 

Edited December 20, 2020 by DaggersEOD

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[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, DaggersEOD said:

I think if we “back up the brinks truck” for him to show that we acknowledge his skills/talent it could blunt the draw of a HC position. 
 

I have also heard that him and JA are like BFFs and that has to count for something. 
 

I think being a part of a potentially historic team is better than a potential HC position where we can potentially fall on his face when he doesn’t have a transcendent QB. 

 

The thing is Justin Herbert, Deshaun Watson and Trevor Lawrence are potential options on the job market. If he is offered one of those 3 jobs it is hard to turn down.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

I was upset with Daboll early in the year but i had supported him fully before that. However he has shown how to overcome our weaknesses and that is sign of a great coach, hopefully he stays here like McDaniels has.

 

 

[mikemac2001]

Hope he wants to stay because it’s his hometown 

 

Pay the man 

[JoPoy88]

32 minutes ago, DaggersEOD said:

I think if we “back up the brinks truck” for him to show that we acknowledge his skills/talent it could blunt the draw of a HC position. 
 

I have also heard that him and JA are like BFFs and that has to count for something. 
 

I think being a part of a potentially historic team is better than a potential HC position where we can potentially fall on his face when he doesn’t have a transcendent QB. 

Fantasyland. Daboll isn’t turning down an NFL head coaching job for more money, not under this head coach. Keep dreaming though.

 

It’d be a different story if he was serving under an old head coach, headed for retirement and Daboll was given insurances (as well as a raise) that he’d be guaranteed the job. But McD is a young coach, who just signed an extension. No way no how Daboll sticks around if he’s offered a HC job. Silly to even entertain the thought.

Edited December 20, 2020 by JoPoy88

[Thurman#1]

14 minutes ago, loveorhatembillsfan4life said:

At one point I didn’t think I’d ever be saying  this but How can we convince Daboll to stay for a while longer? This offense is so fun and rolling right now. 

 

 He will get his head coaching opportunity, whenever he wants It. 
 

Part of me hopes The lure of continuing to coach Josh and Diggs could be a factor. Or maybe he might find finishing the job of bringing our first Super Bowl to Buffalo would be the ultimate accomplishment before he leaves.

 

I know it’s everyone dream to get the gig but it doesn’t always pan out for everyone. Maybe it will for him but our window is the next few years. I am a bit nervous about anything that could set this team back going forward.

 

 

 

 

He looked very good from minute one.

 

I don't see us being able to keep him ... with one possible exception. He's in the driver's seat now. Another year or two with Josh wouldn't seem likely to hurt him in any way. So he can be very choosy with situations. It's possible he might not find one to his liking this year. Probably not likely, as he's likely to have his choice of two or three spots, but certainly possible, and the odds would climb the longer we stay in the playoffs. Many teams would rather have their guy in place early.

Edited December 20, 2020 by Thurman#1

[Big Turk]

15 minutes ago, loveorhatembillsfan4life said:

At one point I didn’t think I’d ever be saying  this but How can we convince Daboll to stay for a while longer? This offense is so fun and rolling right now. 

 

 He will get his head coaching opportunity, whenever he wants It. 
 

Part of me hopes The lure of continuing to coach Josh and Diggs could be a factor. Or maybe he might find finishing the job of bringing our first Super Bowl to Buffalo would be the ultimate accomplishment before he leaves.

 

I know it’s everyone dream to get the gig but it doesn’t always pan out for everyone. Maybe it will for him but our window is the next few years. I am a bit nervous about anything that could set this team back going forward.

 

 

 

 

We can't. He almost assuredly will be getting at least one if not his pick of head coaching spots this year and will be taking one. Likely will also get a huge salary because he can play one team against another. Good for him. He has done fantastic work here. We just need to hope they try to maintain us much continuity with Allen and keep him in the same type of system. Wouldn't be surprised to see Dorsey be promoted or even WR coach Chad Hall who is a rising star in NFL circles for the work he has done with the Bills WR group. They all praise him and McD is very high on him.

 

There are projected to be 8 or 9 openings for head coaches with not that many truly qualified candidates. And Daboll is going to be at the top of the list for teams planning on drafting and developing a young QB. What the Bills have done by Allen has garnered them massive, massive amounts of respect across the NFL in ways that I don't think we can even fathom.

 

Additionally the Bills rebuild is viewed as a blueprint in how to do it now for other teams looking to ascend from years of poor results. Miami has done a lot of similar things to what we have done and will be a tough challenge for the division starting next year, especially with an extra top 10 and potentially although unlikely top 5 pick in the 1st and 2nd rounds from Houston.

Edited December 20, 2020 by matter2003

[BearNorth]

Daboll and Herbert would be a very scary combination.

 

[DaggersEOD]

7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The thing is Justin Herbert, Deshaun Watson and Trevor Lawrence are potential options on the job market. If he is offered one of those 3 jobs it is hard to turn down.

Good point. Not too often you have this many teams with young talented QBs, have HC openings. 
 

Absolutely a big factor here. Hopefully the relationships and winning trump draw of a HC job. 

[NoHuddleKelly12]

I was as guilty as anyone of wanting Dabs gone during JA’s rookie year and last year was so so at times—but 3rd times the charm for real—now he’s flashing wunderkind genius  on the regular! Happily chewing on my crow this season. 

[BearNorth]

However, Allen is a rare combo of ridiculous arm talent, and also a big mobile body, not sure some of the others can duplicate his progress.

[Magox]

I’ve liked Daboll from the very beginning.  His play designs were always next level, just that at times early on his play calling was a bit off.  He has learned from it and let’s be honest, it doesn’t hurt when you have all-world Dual threat QB at the helm.

 

If he gets an opportunity with a team that has an exciting ascending QB, I just can’t see him passing it up.   If he doesn’t get offered a position with one of those teams I think he stays with Buffalo another year.

 

When he leaves he will be missed.  I just hope Dorsey will be up to the challenge of that is the route they go.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

2 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

 

We can't. He almost assuredly will be getting at least one if not his pick of head coaching spots this year.

 

There are projected to be 8 or 9 openings for head coaches with not that many truly qualified candidates. And Daboll is going to be at the top of the list for teams planning on drafting and developing a young QB. What the Bills have done by Allen has garnered them massive, massive amounts of respect across the NFL in ways that I don't think we can even fathom.

 

Additionally the Bills rebuild is viewed as a blueprint in how to do it now for other teams looking to ascend from years of poor results. Miami has done a lot of similar things to what we have done and will be a tough challenge for the division starting next year, especially with an extra top 10 and potentially although unlikely top 5 pick in the 1st and 2nd rounds from Houston.

I wonder how much credit daboll really deserves for Josh's development...seems like Josh is putting in a lot of work on his own to shore up his mechanics.  What he's been able to do is pretty rare and I feel like daboll is gonna have these unrealistic expectations following him wherever he goes now 

[DaggersEOD]

5 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

Fantasyland. Daboll isn’t turning down an NFL head coaching job for more money, not under this head coach. Keep dreaming though.

 

It’d may be a different story if he was serving under an old head coach, headed for retirement and Daboll was given insurances (as well as a raise) that he’d be guaranteed the job. But McD is a young coach, who just signed an extension. No way no how Daboll sticks around if he’s offered a HC job. Silly to even entertain the thought.

Can’t disagree that convincing him to stay would be a tough sell. I just think that when you spend this much time developing / growing something like we now have at the Bills, it’s tough to walk away right before you arrive. 
 

But I may just be wishing lol

[Brennan Huff]

Daboll is gone after the season. Next man up

[chris heff]

If Daboll does leave I hope Joe Douglas hires him, it would be confusing since they look like identical twins.

 

i tried to post a photo of each, but site won’t let me.

[JoPoy88]

16 minutes ago, DaggersEOD said:

Can’t disagree that convincing him to stay would be a tough sell. I just think that when you spend this much time developing / growing something like we now have at the Bills, it’s tough to walk away right before you arrive. 
 

But I may just be wishing lol

And hey it’s definitely a nice thing to wish for sure - Daboll is as instrumental as anyone in molding Allen into an MVP quarterback. I don’t fault you for wishing. 
 

But decision makers on other teams (especially on teams with young QBs) are salivating right now, waiting to throw money at Daboll. Will he be a good HC? Maybe. Will he get a chance? Absolutely.

Edited December 20, 2020 by JoPoy88

[Big Gun]

Daboll will get interviews but IMHO he won't be selected as a head coach. I just don't think he is head coach material.

[Big Turk]

6 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I wonder how much credit daboll really deserves for Josh's development...seems like Josh is putting in a lot of work on his own to shore up his mechanics.  What he's been able to do is pretty rare and I feel like daboll is gonna have these unrealistic expectations following him wherever he goes now 

 

From what everyone says A LOT. Probably a lot more than we realize.

[loveorhatembillsfan4life]

I think Dorsey would be in consideration as he is most likely to continue with our current playbook. I wonder how creative he can be in scheming up new plays and calling a game..

[Big Turk]

3 minutes ago, Big Gun said:

Daboll will get interviews but IMHO he won't be selected as a head coach. I just don't think he is head coach material.

 

But Adam Gase was? Let's be real.

 

In today's NFL if you can do what he has done with a young QB, ESPECIALLY one most people never thought could be a legit MVP candidate in year 3, and he can pretty much have his pick of jobs.

 

That trumps pretty much anything else these days. Look at why Zach Taylor got hired. He has sucked as a head coach but he did a great job with Burrow.

Edited December 20, 2020 by matter2003

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

5 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

 

From what everyone says A LOT. Probably a lot more than we realize.

Yea could be...I dont feel that way mostly because josh was basically thrown to the wolves his rookie year lol and now we have to keep hearing how terrible he was with no mention he was throwing to Kelvin Benjamin and zay Jones with a pretty shaky oline 🤣 they got him the tools to be successful eventually but that first season we did josh zero favors 

Edited December 20, 2020 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[JohnC]

13 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I wonder how much credit daboll really deserves for Josh's development...seems like Josh is putting in a lot of work on his own to shore up his mechanics.  What he's been able to do is pretty rare and I feel like daboll is gonna have these unrealistic expectations following him wherever he goes now 

I would give Jordan Palmer his coaching guru in the offseason a lot of credit for cleaning up his unruly mechanics. Allen deserves a lot of credit for working hard in the offseason and being receptive to coaching. He's dedicated to his craft, and it shows. 

[Big Turk]

5 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Yea could be...I dont feel that way mostly because josh was basically thrown to the wolves his rookie year lol and now we have to keep hearing how terrible he was with no mention he was throwing to Kelvin Benjamin and zay Jones with a pretty shaky oline 🤣 they got him the tools to be successful eventually but that first season we did josh zero favors 

 

Yeah but remember hoe much better the offense looked once Daboll adjusted and took Kelvin Benjamin and Andre Davis out and put in McKenzie and Foster...

 

They initially believed big tall targets who could make contested catches were what would help Josh the most but realized that faster speedier guys who could get open actually worked better. 

 

How they have constantly allowed Allen to do more and more once he got comfortable and excelled at what they added to his plate, they kept adding more and more...

 

That can't be overlooked...some OCs are very loathe to allow their young QBs to change plays, have input into the offense, etc...Daboll is not one of them...he lets Allen thrive and doesn't try and hold him back.

Edited December 20, 2020 by matter2003

[Gambit]

30 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The thing is Justin Herbert, Deshaun Watson and Trevor Lawrence are potential options on the job market. If he is offered one of those 3 jobs it is hard to turn down.

While you aren't wrong, there is one thing different from those 3 and Josh. He absolutely loves the kid like a son. If we offer him more money and he gets to stick with someone he has such a close bond with, I think he stays. 

[RobbRiddicksTDLeap]

31 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The thing is Justin Herbert, Deshaun Watson and Trevor Lawrence are potential options on the job market. If he is offered one of those 3 jobs it is hard to turn down.

He has a connection to the QB he already has developed. He has a connection to the city, and the team. I don’t get the sense from interviews with Daboll, that being a HC is what he’s after. I feel like it’s a lot of talk because that’s what the professional talkers do. 

 

Good coaches get opportunities, no matter when they come up. I don’t see Daboll or Frazier leaving. 

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

Imagine if we get lucky and this guy just is happy and doesn’t want to leave? Maybe not everyone wants the responsibility of being a HC? Maybe if we pay him enough and he loves josh so much...he would just stay? He is from the area. It’s not impossible.

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

36 minutes ago, Philly McButterpants said:

Keep your fingers crossed that somehow/someway, the Chargers keep Anthony Lynn as their HC.

Lynn is what is holding the Chargers back and I think he will be fired after the season is over. We will need to make Daboll the highest paid OC in the NFL to keep him and he deserves it. 

[Bangarang]

We’re going to the SB and teams with vacancies won’t want to wait that long. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

37 minutes ago, loveorhatembillsfan4life said:

At one point I didn’t think I’d ever be saying  this but How can we convince Daboll to stay for a while longer? This offense is so fun and rolling right now. 

 

 He will get his head coaching opportunity, whenever he wants It. 
 

Part of me hopes The lure of continuing to coach Josh and Diggs could be a factor. Or maybe he might find finishing the job of bringing our first Super Bowl to Buffalo would be the ultimate accomplishment before he leaves.

 

I know it’s everyone dream to get the gig but it doesn’t always pan out for everyone. Maybe it will for him but our window is the next few years. I am a bit nervous about anything that could set this team back going forward.

 

The answer is you don't try too hard.  It's NOT a sure bet he will get his HC opportunity whenever he wants it.  The NFL is "not for long" for coaches, too. 

 

To be a coordinator or HC in the NFL is apparently "beyond 24/7" to do it successfully and a huge challenge to sustain excellence.

 

The Bills can offer Daboll cookies, sure.  More $$, more resources - he already floated it in an interview that Allen is the only 1st round pick on the offensive side of the ball.

 

But ultimately, it's going to come down to what he wants to do, and we shouldn't try a hard-court-press to change that.  Because the last thing you want is an OC where part if his head is doing his job as OC, and part of his head is regretting that he didn't take that HC opportunity. 

 

Either Daboll gets an opportunity he wants, or he doesn't.  If he gets an opportunity he wants, he either takes it, or he decides he's not done yet in Buffalo and stays.  But either way it has to be his choice with a whole heart and mind.

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

13 minutes ago, Big Gun said:

Daboll will get interviews but IMHO he won't be selected as a head coach. I just don't think he is head coach material.

I used to think like this as well but who would you rather have as a HC than a OC that can play call, play design, develop talent and mentor a QB. Daboll is going to get some very big offers to be a HC somewhere and he is probably at the top of the list for at least 3 or 4 teams. My gut feeling is that Daboll is gone after this year which would really suck but Daboll has definitely earned his shot at being a HC. If McD got hit by a bus Daboll would be a no brainer as HC of the Bills right now. 

[GunnerBill]

7 minutes ago, Gambit said:

While you aren't wrong, there is one thing different from those 3 and Josh. He absolutely loves the kid like a son. If we offer him more money and he gets to stick with someone he has such a close bond with, I think he stays. 

 

I am sceptical. If his options are Detroit and Atlanta I could see it. If the chance to work with one of those other young studs arises not sure he passes up.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

9 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

Imagine if we get lucky and this guy just is happy and doesn’t want to leave? Maybe not everyone wants the responsibility of being a HC? Maybe if we pay him enough and he loves josh so much...he would just stay? He is from the area. It’s not impossible.

 

It's not impossible but I think it's pretty clear that Daboll wants his chance to be a HC.

 

I don't think he'd stay just out of love of Josh - our love for people we carry with us no matter where we go.  He might stay because he's busy molding and sculpting Josh and his master-work isn't quite finished.  Like Michaelangelo moving on from David before he finished defining the...abs.  Yes that's right, the ab definition.

 

6 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

We’re going to the SB and teams with vacancies won’t want to wait that long. 

 

I Like the Way You Think!

[RyanC883]

46 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The thing is Justin Herbert, Deshaun Watson and Trevor Lawrence are potential options on the job market. If he is offered one of those 3 jobs it is hard to turn down.

 

Herbert and Watson are already established, so perhaps Daboll is less of a draw for those teams (they could hire someone else).   Lawrence would be tempting for Daboll, if he didn't end up on the Jets.  

I will also say that I imagine that Dorsey will be a seamless transition to OC.  I could be wrong, but I bet Daboll would have some insight there if he left to help out the Bills.  

 

 

[No_Matter_What]

The only way we can keep him is when he is smart enough to realize that being OC might be actually his sweet spot. I will not blame him if he wants to try HC but my random uneducated guess is that he will fail like many great OCs before him. For now I will just hope that we either win SB this year or he stays to finish the job first if we don't.

[BuffaloMatt]

56 minutes ago, loveorhatembillsfan4life said:

At one point I didn’t think I’d ever be saying  this but How can we convince Daboll to stay for a while longer? This offense is so fun and rolling right now. 

 

 He will get his head coaching opportunity, whenever he wants It. 
 

Part of me hopes The lure of continuing to coach Josh and Diggs could be a factor. Or maybe he might find finishing the job of bringing our first Super Bowl to Buffalo would be the ultimate accomplishment before he leaves.

 

I know it’s everyone dream to get the gig but it doesn’t always pan out for everyone. Maybe it will for him but our window is the next few years. I am a bit nervous about anything that could set this team back going forward.

 

 

 

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[ALLEN1QB]

Start a go fund Daboll fund.