No excuse for Corey Bojorquez

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

5 hours ago, vincec said:

He's hit or miss in the extreme. He can punt it 70 yards or 12. Makes it tough on the coverage team.

Makes it tough on those 'spur of the moment' bets! 😕

[thenorthremembers]

1 hour ago, Haslett_Stomp said:

 

Yes.  My friends and I used to yell "Marv Bateman!" every time one of us shanked a punt playing backyard ball.

Haha.  Not a good way to be known.   Opposite of yelling Kobe when you shoot garbage into the can.

[2003Contenders]

Note that he also had a GREAT punt that pinned the Cardinals down inside the 5 in the 4th quarter that helped flip the field late in the game when we badly needed it.

[MJS]

He certainly needs more consistency. I'm not sure he is worth all the effort to develop him, but we'll see. He does boom them sometimes, but he often out kicks the coverage too, setting up the returner.

 

I'm not super concerned, but I'm still undecided on him.

Edited November 17, 2020 by MJS

[Doc]

1 hour ago, LittleSammy said:

Look on the bright side, it only took him 10 games to figure out how to spin the ball on place kicks so Tyler Bass isn't kicking the laces!

 

Actually part of the blame goes to Ferguson.  

[LABILLBACKER]

It's frustrating with him because he sucks at dropping the ball inside the 20. Worst part of his game. He was bad and at the bottom of the league his first 2 years with the Bills.  He has boomed a few this year bringing his avg.way up. But for me the most important job of a punter is ball inside the 20. He has no touch whatsoever. Never been a big bozo fan but if he can keep those laces out for Bass, I'll tolerate him.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

He makes punting exciting. 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

6 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

It's frustrating with him because he sucks at dropping the ball inside the 20. Worst part of his game. He was bad and at the bottom of the league his first 2 years with the Bills.  He has boomed a few this year bringing his avg.way up. But for me the most important job of a punter is ball inside the 20. He has no touch whatsoever. Never been a big bozo fan but if he can keep those laces out for Bass, I'll tolerate him.

 

The one touchback probably should've been downed.  He kicked it to the right side - coverage was there - they just couldn't find the ball for whatever reason. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Is the hope this Thread ages as poorly as the no excuse for Bass one has? 

[JESSEFEFFER]

2 hours ago, dneveu said:

 

The one touchback probably should've been downed.  He kicked it to the right side - coverage was there - they just couldn't find the ball for whatever reason. 

The coverage was faked out by a returner running up to to field a phantom short kick at the 20 while the actual one lands inside the 10 and bounds into the endzone while I am yelling at the gunners to get to the goal line, turn around, and find the ball.  They did not hear me.   This has happened once in the last two games.

 

 

Edited November 17, 2020 by JESSEFEFFER

[Man with No Name]

6 hours ago, CaptnCoke11 said:

Hits too many into the end zone for my liking.  

yes. can't believe you are the first to mention this. He can't pin inside the 20 to save his life. never mind trying to get it inside the 10. 

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Is the hope this Thread ages as poorly as the no excuse for Bass one has? 

he's not a rook working out the kinks, so I'd give up hope on that. he'll be here the rest of the season and hopefully he doesn't have too many more shanks.

 

off season he will be looking for work elsewhere and it may not even be in the league?

[PonyBoy]

Maybe he was practicing his onside kicks? 🤔😄

[Bakin]

This is my favorite thread of the week!

[Freddie's Dead]

How many punts did Moorman shank in his entire career?  Bodork has way too many shanks and bad punts.  It's not just a once-in-a-while thing.  It always comes at the most critical times in games and ends up costing us games.  I'm just shocked that we've been unable to find another punter who could do better. Guessing that Bodork has pictures.

Edited November 17, 2020 by Freddie's Dead

[Doc]

1 minute ago, Freddie's Dead said:

How many punts did Moorman shank in his entire career?  Bodork has way too many shanks and bad punts.  It's not just a once-in-a-while thing.  It always comes at he most critical times in games and ends up costing us games.  I'm just shocked that we've been unable to find another punter who could do better. Guessing that Bodork has pictures.

 

Sorry but comparing him to arguably the best punter the Bills have ever had, at least in the past 3 decades, is unfair.

[Manther]

16 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Sorry but comparing him to arguably the best punter the Bills have ever had, at least in the past 3 decades, is unfair.

Makes sense, especially since Moorman used to get the MVP chants!  We are better off now not having our punter be our MVP!

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

38 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Sorry but comparing him to arguably the best punter the Bills have ever had, at least in the past 3 decades, is unfair.

 

 

FYI... 

Bojo career average is 44.1.  Moormans is  43.8...

 

maybe inconsistency will work itself out and he’ll be fine 

 

 

[Doc]

36 minutes ago, Manther said:

Makes sense, especially since Moorman used to get the MVP chants!  We are better off now not having our punter be our MVP!

 

Yup.  Still can't hurt trying to upgrade though.

 

13 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

FYI... 

Bojo career average is 44.1.  Moormans is  43.8...

 

maybe inconsistency will work itself out and he’ll be fine

 

I did not know that.  Still though, punters have gotten better over the years.  And I wasn't advocating for cutting Bojo over his one bad punt this year.

[reddogblitz]

4 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

If it continues we can cut him but it was one bad punt on the year. Also several people have blamed him putting in the end zone but our punt coverage people are not getting down there to down it, he had at least one land at the 5 and then bounce in. 

 

I'm gonna have to disagree on this.  I saw a punt I think was in Seahawks game where the 2 coverage guys came down and stopped at the 12 yard line expecting it to land there but the football 🏈 landed on the 3 and bounced into the EZ.  That's Bojo out kicking his coverage. Happens frequently.  He doesn't seem to have much control over how far it goes or where it lands.

 

And as far as all punters shanking some, I don't recall any Brian Moorman shanks.

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

Sorry but comparing him to arguably the best punter the Bills have ever had, at least in the past 3 decades, is unfair.

 

Do you think we should just settle for mediocrity now that Moorman is retired?

[Orlando Tim]

14 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

I'm gonna have to disagree on this.  I saw a punt I think was in Seahawks game where the 2 coverage guys came down and stopped at the 12 yard line expecting it to land there but the football 🏈 landed on the 3 and bounced into the EZ.  That's Bojo out kicking his coverage. Happens frequently.  He doesn't seem to have much control over how far it goes or where it lands.

 

And as far as all punters shanking some, I don't recall any Brian Moorman shanks.

 

Do you think we should just settle for mediocrity now that Moorman is retired?

I am not sure if you understand the term out kicking your coverage- if they stop at the 12 but could have been at the 3 then he did not out kick it but the coverage guys stopped early. Out kicking your coverage  means a punt where the return man has an opportunity to return it without pressure. As for Moorman I don't remember any of his punts, good or bad, because I don't want to return to days of our punter being our MVP.

[JohnNord]

10 hours ago, HOUSE said:

That one punt traveled 12 yards.

 

 

 

 

36 feet, the length of a Winnebago motor home

 

 

 

 

 

 

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We should start using the phrase The Corey Bojorquez Experience because he’s wildly inconsistent.  He’ll absolutely crush a punt for 70 yards then will punt one for 12 yards inside a dome.
 

He also seems to be really bad at pinning teams inside the 10.  It seems like all of his punts go into the endzone - and not because the coverage doesn’t get there.

 

It’s week 11, not a lot you can do now but his time has to be running out

[reddogblitz]

12 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

I am not sure if you understand the term out kicking your coverage- if they stop at the 12 but could have been at the 3 then he did not out kick it but the coverage guys stopped early. Out kicking your coverage  means a punt where the return man has an opportunity to return it without pressure. As for Moorman I don't remember any of his punts, good or bad, because I don't want to return to days of our punter being our MVP.

 

If Brian was on our team now he would be far from our best player. I think this is kind of a silly argument. We don't want to get a better punter cuz he might be our best player so we'll stick with a mediocre one instead.

 

I kinda figured if 2 guys stopped and waited for the football 🏈to land at the 10 that that was the plan and Bojo kicked it further.  I suppose that could not be the case but it has happened more than once.

[klos63]

8 hours ago, uticaclub said:

Shanks are going to happen. My problem with him is he never pins it back to inside the 10, always a touchback

out of 25 punts, 10 inside the 20, 4 touchbacks. I think we may have a problem with the definition of 'never' and 'always'.

44 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

We should start using the phrase The Corey Bojorquez Experience because he’s wildly inconsistent.  He’ll absolutely crush a punt for 70 yards then will punt one for 12 yards inside a dome.
 

He also seems to be really bad at pinning teams inside the 10.  It seems like all of his punts go into the endzone - and not because the coverage doesn’t get there.

 

It’s week 11, not a lot you can do now but his time has to be running out

4 touch backs all season. Which games are you watching?

[klos63]

3 hours ago, Man with No Name said:

yes. can't believe you are the first to mention this. He can't pin inside the 20 to save his life. never mind trying to get it inside the 10. 

40% of his kicks this season were inside the 20.  Doesn't anybody check The Google before commenting on easily accessible stats?

[John from Riverside]

You know the interesting this is in the past this is what would cause us to lose a game.

 

We had the thing won despite the horribe bojo punt......then a miracle happened.

[Orlando Tim]

43 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

If Brian was on our team now he would be far from our best player. I think this is kind of a silly argument. We don't want to get a better punter cuz he might be our best player so we'll stick with a mediocre one instead.

 

I kinda figured if 2 guys stopped and waited for the football 🏈to land at the 10 that that was the plan and Bojo kicked it further.  I suppose that could not be the case but it has happened more than once.

They stopped because the returner was there, they were unaware of where was the ball was, also if he can drop at an exact point then they would aim for the around the 5 not the 10 or 12. Also my comment about Moorman is more along the lines of who remembers great punts 10 years later? 

[BobbyC81]

11 hours ago, Haslett_Stomp said:

 

Are you old enough to remember Marv Bateman?

I’m old enough to remember Paul Maguire as punter.

[Haslett_Stomp]

2 minutes ago, ColeB said:

I’m old enough to remember Paul Maguire as punter.

 

You got me beat  

Edited November 18, 2020 by Haslett_Stomp

[JohnNord]

2 hours ago, klos63 said:

40% of his kicks this season were inside the 20.  Doesn't anybody check The Google before commenting on easily accessible stats?

He also has very few punt this year.  When was the last time he stuck a team inside the 5 like other punters do?  You can’t disagree that he’s been inconsistent this season 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

I suspect what happened on the shank is what happens when I line up at the 18th hole with my driver and decide to try to hit the ball 350 yards. 

[klos63]

29 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

He also has very few punt this year.  When was the last time he stuck a team inside the 5 like other punters do?  You can’t disagree that he’s been inconsistent this season 

how often do other punters stick it inside the 5? 

[JohnNord]

1 hour ago, klos63 said:

how often do other punters stick it inside the 5? 

Like I said, it seems like he struggles pinning teams teams deep.  Other punters seem to do a better job.

 

Are you challenging my point that he’s inconsistent?  Because I think a 12 shank in perfect weather pretty much illustrates my point

3 hours ago, BUFFALOBART said:

That was punt karma. The Cardinals kicked TWO 12 yard punts against the Bills, when they played in Buffalo, in the early 1990's. I remember that day. Horizontal sleet/rain, and the kind of dampness that goes right through you, no matter how warm you are dressed...

BTW, we won the game, 45-14..

In any case, 12 yards, in a Dome... How the F does THAT happen...

Careful there’s atleast one Bojo-stan in this thread

[Buffalo716]

5 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

 

If Brian was on our team now he would be far from our best player. I think this is kind of a silly argument. We don't want to get a better punter cuz he might be our best player so we'll stick with a mediocre one instead.

 

I kinda figured if 2 guys stopped and waited for the football 🏈to land at the 10 that that was the plan and Bojo kicked it further.  I suppose that could not be the case but it has happened more than once.

Those guys stopped on the 10. because the returner acted like he was going to field the punt

 

They were tricked

 

Our Gunners have been tricked multiple times this year, by returners acting like they're Fielding the punt... When it's really going past them

 

 

Edited November 18, 2020 by Buffalo716

[reddogblitz]

22 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Those guys stopped on the 10. because the returner acted like he was going to field the punt

 

They were tricked

 

Our Gunners have been tricked multiple times this year, by returners acting like they're Fielding the punt... When it's really going past them

 

 

 

Makes sense.

 

I'm going to carefully watch all punts the rest of the season.

 

What would be the proper response for gunners in that situation?

[Buffalo716]

Just now, reddogblitz said:

 

Makes sense.

 

I'm going to carefully watch all punts the rest of the season.

 

What would be the proper response for gunners in that situation?

They are in a really tricky spot.  Nobody really thinks about it, but Gunner is a really hard position

 

You need to be really fast, physical and smart. The play happens so fast

 

And Gunners are taught to get in the face of returners, so they might muff it

 

Smart return men, take advantage of it inside the 10, they will call a fair catch, and act like they're catching the ball

 

When in reality it's 3 yards over their head, and about to bounce toward the end zone. The gunners will slow down to get in the return man's face thinking it's a routine catch

 

The only way to really know, is if one of the gunners had a bead on the ball coming in. Which is tough because they're focused on the returner

 

 

[klos63]

47 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

Like I said, it seems like he struggles pinning teams teams deep.  Other punters seem to do a better job.

 

Are you challenging my point that he’s inconsistent?  Because I think a 12 shank in perfect weather pretty much illustrates my point

Careful there’s atleast one Bojo-stan in this thread

Yes, a bit.  If you dismiss 40% of his punts inside the 20  because of not many punts, not sure you can say he's inconsistent either.  I can't really think of any real bad kick besides this 12 yarder

[Buffalo716]

@reddogblitz it's basically on Corey, to have enough backspin on the ball, on Punts inside the 10

 

Gunners can only do so much

 

And he needs to be able to have better backspin, or hangtime that will help out the gunners

[billsfan89]

This was Bojo's first game where he looked like he did in 2019 (fairly mediocre with one bad shank punt.) Considering that he has been a dam good punter all year I can forgive it but it did look like AZ was trying to pressure him more, I hope the ST coaching adjusts to that because the last thing this team needs is consistent regression in the punt game. 

[Helpmenow]

On 11/17/2020 at 8:11 AM, Doc said:

Wasn't that his only bad punt so far?

Which was a killer.