What will a Jon Feliciano and Daryl Williams extension look like?

[Victory Formation]

First I must say, Jon Feliciano has been a huge factor in the run game.. it seems that when he is out we’re getting 2/3ypc but when he’s in Moss/Singletary are breaking huge runs and they have huge creases and lanes to run through.. Definitely feel like he is an above average guard and an excellent backup center in the event that Morse goes down...

 

Daryl Williams OTOH has been playing at a very high level this year.. He has been very good on that right side of the line.. I think of all our free agent signings this offseason minus Stefon Diggs, Williams by far has been the most impressive.. Allen has had a fantastic pocket all year for him to step into... Dawkins, Morse and Williams giving him plenty of time..

 

So, if we were looking to extend Williams and Feliciano, what do you guys think their contracts would look like?

[GunnerBill]

I imagine for Feliciano they will look at the sort of deal they gave Spain before their falling out. 

 

Williams is tricky. I suspect he will be highly sought after. People forget he was a 2nd team all pro at RT before injury with Carolina. He will get paid I fear. 

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1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

I imagine for Feliciano they will look at the sort of deal they gave Spain before their falling out. 

 

Williams is tricky. I suspect he will be highly sought after. People forget he was a 2nd team all pro at RT before injury with Carolina. He will get paid I fear. 

What kind of money do top RTs get paid?

[NewEra]

Sadly, I think Williams will get 13+ mill a year.  Former 2nd team all pro.

 

Feliciano- 3 years 18 mill.  That’s what we gave Aj Klein.

 

the lack of quality OTs causes someone to overpay 

Edited November 14, 2020 by NewEra

[atlbillsfan1975]

After last year everyone was talking about Milano vs Dawkins....it could come down to Milano vs Williams. If Klein and Edmunds can play another couple of good games together, we may get our answer on Milano. 
$10-13mil a year for a Very good RT is a much wiser investment than a banged up LB’er.

Edited November 14, 2020 by atlbillsfan1975

[TheBeaneBandit]

Man it's tough to project but I hope they find a way to keep both of em'. I would guess minimum 6M per year for Feliciano and 7M per for Williams.

[EmotionallyUnstable]

The OL has been the unsung hero of this passing attack so far this year. They have been far from perfect but have held up respectably. Allen makes this all the more interesting. Having a big-bodied, elusive and mobile quarter back may play into the Williams deal, IMO. They paid Morse. They paid Dawk. They have a few big contracts on the horizon. Beane is going to have to prioritize where he continues to dish out $$ and I think the OL will likely be a spot we don't see many more, if any, large/long contracts.

 

On a side note: Beane has been pretty outstanding at bringing in competitive and serviceable OLmen since he first walked onto the job. I imagine he likes he chance in FA of signing guys to plug holes, as we've seen with Mongo, Spain, Boettger, Bodine, Winters, etc.

[Victory Formation]

1 minute ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

After last year everyone was talking about Milano vs Dawkins....it could come down to Milano vs Williams. If Klein and Edmunds can play another couple of good games together, we may get our answer on Milano. 

I think I’d rather have Williams over Milano.. gotta protect the franchise..

[thebandit27]

You can probably kiss Williams goodbye; if he stays healthy he’s a $14M AAV on the open market.

 

Mongo you’ve got a shot. He may take a similar deal to Spain with a slight bump in total and guarantees.

 

My guess is that they get Mongo done and re-sign Nsekhe to play RT.

[GunnerBill]

5 minutes ago, Victory Formation said:

What kind of money do top RTs get paid?

 

Lane Johnson makes $18m per year. I don't think Williams will go in that range but somewhere between Brian Bulaga at $10m per and James at $12m per I reckon is his range.

[thebandit27]

5 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

After last year everyone was talking about Milano vs Dawkins....it could come down to Milano vs Williams. If Klein and Edmunds can play another couple of good games together, we may get our answer on Milano. 
$10-13mil a year for a Very good RT is a much wiser investment than a banged up LB’er.

I think they’re both goners to be honest. With the cap dropping and the relative ease of filling RT and off-ball LB, they’re more likely to let them walk and take the comp picks. Bring back Ty at RT and draft a few LBs.

[klos63]

6 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

I think they’re both goners to be honest. With the cap dropping and the relative ease of filling RT and off-ball LB, they’re more likely to let them walk and take the comp picks. Bring back Ty at RT and draft a few LBs.

Nsekhe has hardly played in the year and a half with the Bills,  I can't imagine when he turns 36, he'll be counted on to be our RT if we lose Williams. Doesn't make much sense.

[Brennan Huff]

The question is, what is the cap going to look like next year? Going to be some big decisions coming up quick

[SCBills]

Priorities 1a and 1b this offseason.  
 

If it means we let guys like Milano walk, so be it...

 

You don’t play games when you have a strong OL (that’s also young)

[PromoTheRobot]

With so many questions about the cap and the effect of the pandemic economy, players can't all expect to cash in. Certainly not become the "highest paid" at every position. I wonder if the Bills could get creative with some one-year bridge deals?

[thebandit27]

14 minutes ago, klos63 said:

Nsekhe has hardly played in the year and a half with the Bills,  I can't imagine when he turns 36, he'll be counted on to be our RT if we lose Williams. Doesn't make much sense.

He had taken over the starting RT job from Ford when he got hurt, and had played more snaps than Ford at RT through 9 games. He hasn’t barely played, and he’s low mileage for a guy that’s 36.

 

Sure, you probably want to draft someone to compete and eventually take over, but for the sake of having a starting caliber tackle that knows the offense and is trusted by the QB and other OLmen, you can do a heckuva lot worse.

[ColoradoBills]

2 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

He had taken over the starting RT job from Ford when he got hurt, and had played more snaps than Ford at RT through 9 games. He hasn’t barely played, and he’s low mileage for a guy that’s 36.

 

Sure, you probably want to draft someone to compete and eventually take over, but for the sake of having a starting caliber tackle that knows the offense and is trusted by the QB and other OLmen, you can do a heckuva lot worse.

 

Do you think the give him a one year contract for what he has been making ($5 Million)?

Ty is an UFA next year too and Ike B is a RFA.

[SCBills]

The cap is the same for everyone though...  I don’t understand how we, a team that has managed the cap pretty well, is going to be unable to resign anyone (I’m being dramatic), yet we’re going to lose all our guys to who?.... Teams like the Jets can’t sign everyone, and they’ll probably blow their cap on a WR, if one should shake free.  
 

I understand we have a LT, WR and CB paid, along with upcoming contracts for Allen and Edmunds, but half the teams in the league are far more overextended than we are.  

I can see us pulling a Phillips/Lawson with Milano, and potentially losing some depth guys, but we can resign Feliciano and Williams....and absolutely should.  

 

Edited November 14, 2020 by SCBills

[Ethan in Cleveland]

They would be wise to try and extend Williams now.  It would be nice to tag him for a year but they make no distinction between LT and RT so that is not going to work.

Best guess is that Milano and Williams will be gone. They will keep Feliciano. They will draft OT in top 3 rounds next year (along with two front 7 defenders) and give Ford another shot to win RT spot.  

[JGMcD2]

I think they like Bates as a potentially RT option. 
 

Williams will be in the $8-$12M range on the open market. I don’t think he’s back, unfortunately. Awesome move by Beane and Williams has been great... my guess would be Beane just signed another Carolina O-lineman and crosses his fingers like he always does! 

[Matt_In_NH]

They will probably look like more money than we expect

[Artem Lipatov]

I watched video at nfl.com this week smth like “all-pro team according to PFF at current moment”.

And the only Bill was not Allen and not Diggs but RT Williams. So I think he’ll get much money contact coming offseason

[thebandit27]

28 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Do you think the give him a one year contract for what he has been making ($5 Million)?

Ty is an UFA next year too and Ike B is a RFA.

I would give him a one year deal for something like $3M. I doubt he’d turn it down.

[ColoradoBills]

6 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

I would give him a one year deal for something like $3M. I doubt he’d turn it down.

 

That could happen.  It would be nice to have him for another year if his age doesn't catch up with him.

[Jay_Fixit]

Probably a lot like numbers.

[DaggersEOD]

I honestly think of the Oline as a single unit/position and the 2nd most important “position” on the field. 
 

EVERYTHING goes through the line. RBs look better, QBs have more time meaning WRs have longer to get open. 
 

They all are on a sort of shot clock that the OLINE provides. More time equals more success across the board. 
 

So IMO, I’d rather overpay for PROVEN Oline talent vs. just about any position other than QB. 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

1 hour ago, Victory Formation said:

First I must say, Jon Feliciano has been a huge factor in the run game.. it seems that when he is out we’re getting 2/3ypc but when he’s in Moss/Singletary are breaking huge runs and they have huge creases and lanes to run through.. Definitely feel like he is an above average guard and an excellent backup center in the event that Morse goes down...

 

Daryl Williams OTOH has been playing at a very high level this year.. He has been very good on that right side of the line.. I think of all our free agent signings this offseason minus Stefon Diggs, Williams by far has been the most impressive.. Allen has had a fantastic pocket all year for him to step into... Dawkins, Morse and Williams giving him plenty of time..

 

So, if we were looking to extend Williams and Feliciano, what do you guys think their contracts would look like?

 

That question was just posted in a column in todays Athletic.  Fairburn predicts:

 

$8 to $10 mil for Williams which would place him in top 10 for a RT

 

For Feliciano he predicts $6 to $8 mil

 

But then goes on to state that without re-doing or cutting others not likely they could afford both with Allan and Edmunds among others due new contracts soon too.

 

[Penfield45]

1 hour ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

After last year everyone was talking about Milano vs Dawkins....it could come down to Milano vs Williams. If Klein and Edmunds can play another couple of good games together, we may get our answer on Milano. 
$10-13mil a year for a Very good RT is a much wiser investment than a banged up LB’er.

your joking right 

 

Klein is a mediocre player and nowhere near the talent Milano is LOL 

[Jerboski]

Have to resign Williams 

[HOUSE]

Everybody gets a BIG check

 

 

 

[BuffaloRebound]

You don’t let good O-Linemen walk.  I’d happily cut half our overpaid D Linemen to make room for Williams and Feliciano.  Same to Edmunds.  Milano too.  

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20 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

That question was just posted in a column in todays Athletic.  Fairburn predicts:

 

$8 to $10 mil for Williams which would place him in top 10 for a RT

 

For Feliciano he predicts $6 to $8 mil

 

But then goes on to state that without re-doing or cutting others not likely they could afford both with Allan and Edmunds among others due new contracts soon too.

 

That’s about what I was thinking...

[SCBills]

16 minutes ago, Penfield45 said:

your joking right 

 

Klein is a mediocre player and nowhere near the talent Milano is LOL 

No one said he is, but he’s available.  Milano is undersized and can’t stay healthy.  

We can draft a rangy linebacker in the first 3 rounds and then use Klein as intended, instead of how Milano’s constant injuries are forcing us to use him.  

[qwksilver]

Both will be 29 next year, both have missed time for injuries. A 5 year deal probably keeps each of them in Buffalo until retirement or close to it.

I hope Beane finds a way to keep them both. OL Continuity is a huge key to success.

[klos63]

1 hour ago, thebandit27 said:

He had taken over the starting RT job from Ford when he got hurt, and had played more snaps than Ford at RT through 9 games. He hasn’t barely played, and he’s low mileage for a guy that’s 36.

 

Sure, you probably want to draft someone to compete and eventually take over, but for the sake of having a starting caliber tackle that knows the offense and is trusted by the QB and other OLmen, you can do a heckuva lot worse.

Last season he played 34% of offensive snaps, only 3% this season. That's not much playing time in my book.

Every team will likely have similar difficult decisions to make this offseason. I would expect many 1 year deals while waiting for fans to return.

[thebandit27]

15 minutes ago, klos63 said:

Last season he played 34% of offensive snaps, only 3% this season. That's not much playing time in my book.

Every team will likely have similar difficult decisions to make this offseason. I would expect many 1 year deals while waiting for fans to return.

He only played 34% because he missed 7 games after a high ankle sprain. He had dominated the snap count at RT in the 3 weeks before he got hurt against Miami. He’s a starter in this league when healthy...but you’re correct that it’s a tough situation next year and tough decisions must be made.

[DrDawkinstein]

Lock both these guys up and draft all Defense

[ColoradoBills]

Ad bad as the Bills situation is there are 12 teams in worse cap position.

 

I refuse to believe that the NFL will allow teams like LAR, PIT and KC to have there rosters blown up over this.

PIT (for example) is $20 Million over the cap with only 33 players signed!

Just to name a few of their UFAs next year are:

1. JuJu Smith-Schuster

2.  Bud Dupree

3.  Avery Williamson

4.  James Connor

 

We all have to wait until after the season to see what happens but the NFL/NFLPA are not going to allow a huge glut of UFAs/cut players/etc.

They surely are not gong to let the 2 best teams in the AFC to get gutted and give those players to JAX and the NYJ in a fire sale.

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/2021/

[billspro]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

I imagine for Feliciano they will look at the sort of deal they gave Spain before their falling out. 

 

Williams is tricky. I suspect he will be highly sought after. People forget he was a 2nd team all pro at RT before injury with Carolina. He will get paid I fear. 

I wish, I think Feliciano will probably be 5 years 35 million and Williams will be 2 years 20 million. If they keep playing well that cost will continue to go up. 

[GreggTX]

I'm not of the impression that Feliciano is anything other than average. Daryl Williams just made someone's all-pro team at the midpoint of this season. At least they are both experienced. Signing Williams to an extension should be a top priority. We need to draft or trade for a better pair of starting G's. I'd like Feliciano to backup at C and G, but I don't want to pay depth $7 mill/yr. We can find better starters. When will Morse be back?

Edited November 14, 2020 by GreggTX