Bill Belichick the GM

[JetsFan20]

Do you think his next act is as a GM/football czar?

 

Do you think he would be successful in that role or is he Phil Jackson 2.0?

[Nextmanup]

I see him remaining in his current role, just long enough to prove he can do it without Brady.

 

Then retiring.

 

He is obviously a super competitive guy and his world is football, but he has to retire at some point.

 

 

[Jauronimo]

4 minutes ago, JetsFan20 said:

Do you think his next act is as a GM/football czar?

 

Do you think he would be successful in that role or is he Phil Jackson 2.0?

He will coach until he retires.  He's basically the New England GM right now.  His drafts are hit and miss and without Brady, good luck landing free agents.

[Doc]

2 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

I see him remaining in his current role, just long enough to prove he can do it without Brady.

 

Then retiring.

 

He is obviously a super competitive guy and his world is football, but he has to retire at some point.

 

So you mean he'll retire after this season?  Because Stidham was his idea of proving he can do it without Brady...until Cam fell into his lap.  But he's finding it hard to win even with a 1st overall pick and former NFL MVP.

[Kwai San]

I say he fades into obscurity ala the Tuna.  Is Tuna even alive any more?

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, Kwai San said:

I say he fades into obscurity ala the Tuna.  Is Tuna even alive any more?

 

"The Two Bills" is a great 30 for 30 which has Parcells and Belichick sit down and reminisce through the old days. Couple of tough/ornery SOBs, that's for sure.

[Virgil]

I don't think so.  He's actually been pretty crap at evaluating Talent.  You take Brady away, he doesn't have the career he did.

 

Also, his act doesn't translate well beyond the players, and even that is wearing thin

[RiotAct]

19 minutes ago, Kwai San said:

I say he fades into obscurity ala the Tuna.  Is Tuna even alive any more?

he’s subsisting.

[Don Otreply]

26 minutes ago, JetsFan20 said:

Do you think his next act is as a GM/football czar?

 

Do you think he would be successful in that role or is he Phil Jackson 2.0?

No, he doesn’t command that level of respect that Phil has garnered. When you see former QBs, to include Payton Manning  on recent football talk shows all but call him a chronic cheater and state that everyone knows it, and laugh at him about it, nay, not so much...

[Warcodered]

31 minutes ago, Virgil said:

I don't think so.  He's actually been pretty crap at evaluating Talent.  You take Brady away, he doesn't have the career he did.

 

Also, his act doesn't translate well beyond the players, and even that is wearing thin

That's something I wondered with this year, without the GOAT there taking his crap and without the Ws how long/well does that team put up with his *****.

[hondo in seattle]

Bart Scott says Belichick should be fired as GM.  There's be some conversation about this in Bean Town.   Pats fans are not happy with the roster he's built.  

 

https://patriotswire.usatoday.com/2020/10/30/espns-bart-scott-calls-for-the-firing-of-bill-belichick-the-general-manager/

 

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/11/03/sports/bill-belichicks-excuses-about-salary-cap-are-disingenuous/

Edited November 12, 2020 by hondo in seattle

[PromoTheRobot]

51 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

He will coach until he retires.  He's basically the New England GM right now.  His drafts are hit and miss and without Brady, good luck landing free agents.

 

More like miss-miss-miss-hit-miss-miss-miss.

[BullBuchanan]

Belichick is the greatest coach in NFL history and that's his legacy. His evaluation of talent goes only so far as his ability to implement those guys into schemes to make them successful. He's taken fringe talents and made them household named by putting them in the right place at the right time. That doesn't work if you aren't the coach too.

For whatever reason, he's been pretty damn awful at drafting unanimous blue-chippers.

[JohnNord]

Don’t think he could do without coaching.  He seems to be obsessed with coaching and I can’t see him taking a step back.  As long as he’ll winning, he’ll coach NE as long as he wants

[thenorthremembers]

35 minutes ago, Virgil said:

I don't think so.  He's actually been pretty crap at evaluating Talent.  You take Brady away, he doesn't have the career he did.

 

Also, his act doesn't translate well beyond the players, and even that is wearing thin

The guy is 54-66 without Brady, thats slightly better than someone like Doug Marone.  No one wanted to take his crap in Cleveland, and the same thing was going on in New England before Mo Lewis almost killed Bledsoe and Brady took over.   He was on his way to being a lifetime coordinator before Brady came on the scene.  Does he get credit for drafting Brady, yes he does. 

 

But personally,  I think Brady was a much needed diluent for Belichick.  When players got sick of Belichick's crap, I think it was Brady's leadership that brought them back.   Without Brady, you have an organization run by a nearly 70 year old grump who players want to play for because of reputation, thats not something that can win long term.

[Doc]

3 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

The guy is 54-66 without Brady, thats slightly better than someone like Doug Marone.  No one wanted to take his crap in Cleveland, and the same thing was going on in New England before Mo Lewis almost killed Bledsoe and Brady took over.   He was on his way to being a lifetime coordinator before Brady came on the scene.  Does he get credit for drafting Brady, yes he does. 

 

But personally,  I think Brady was a much needed diluent for Belichick.  When players got sick of Belichick's crap, I think it was Brady's leadership that brought them back.   Without Brady, you have an organization run by a nearly 70 year old grump who players want to play for because of reputation, thats not something that can win long term.

 

As I said in the other thread, the drafting of Brady was pure luck considering he passed on him 6 times, including earlier in the 6th round.  And as matter2003 mentioned, the credit goes to the then-Cheaters QB coach Dick Rehbein.

[thenorthremembers]

5 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

As I said in the other thread, the drafting of Brady was pure luck considering he passed on him 6 times, including earlier in the 6th round.  And as matter2003 mentioned, the credit goes to the then-Cheaters QB coach Dick Rehbein.

Going to completely agree with you there.  Rehbein gets a ton of credit for the pick in most of the bios you read about the "dynasty" as well.   I am not a Belichick fan at all.  Like I said in another post he comes across as someone who cant get a long with anyone because he thinks he knows better than them, about everything. 

 

Not my place to judge, but a pretty immoral fella to boot.

Edited November 12, 2020 by thenorthremembers

[Ethan in Cleveland]

I think coaching is in his blood. 

As a GM he has done a good job of jettisoning players before they decline. As a GM his drafts have been so so but no better or worse than any other.

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

So you mean he'll retire after this season?  Because Stidham was his idea of proving he can do it without Brady...until Cam fell into his lap.  But he's finding it hard to win even with a 1st overall pick and former NFL MVP.

He this is what happens when you sell out.  It’s true.  He didn’t pretty good managing the cap for 20 years, but it caught up with him.

Look how many starters opted out.  They had no cap room.  look at their current front 7.  Cam has been pretty bad for a few years now.  He’s part of the problem, regardless of whether he was a former MVP.  He stinks.  They have zero offensive weapons.  I think they’ve actually played some tough games considering how bad the talent level of that team is.  It’s a secondary and an OL (that was hurt all year til now).  

[Ghost_002!]

5 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

I think coaching is in his blood. 

As a GM he has done a good job of jettisoning players before they decline. As a GM his drafts have been so so but no better or worse than any other.

 

 

Thread. He is not given up his duties nor is he going to retire anytime soon. He has stated that in the past. 

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, JetsFan20 said:

Do you think his next act is as a GM/football czar?

 

Do you think he would be successful in that role or is he Phil Jackson 2.0?

 

He is actually a pretty bad GM overall.  His last Pro Bowl player he drafted was Jamie Collins in 2013.

[Ghost_002!]

3 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

 

He is actually a pretty bad GM overall.  His last Pro Bowl player he drafted was Jamie Collins in 2013.

 

 

Picking up free agents is part of being a GM too. Glimore anyone......(whole list of others)

Edited November 12, 2020 by Ghost_002!

[MJS]

Belichick has made plenty of good trades over the years. And he takes the "sunk cost" mentality and moves on from players that don't work out quickly. But his drafting has always been below average. Now, part of that may be he is always drafting so low.

 

He seems to neglect certain positions, though, like WR and RB.

[JetsFan20]

37 minutes ago, MJS said:

Belichick has made plenty of good trades over the years. And he takes the "sunk cost" mentality and moves on from players that don't work out quickly. But his drafting has always been below average. Now, part of that may be he is always drafting so low.

 

He seems to neglect certain positions, though, like WR and RB.

Sony Michel and Nkeal Harry

[RobbRiddick]

Despite his reputation as being a man of few words I think he'd make a good analyst. Whenever he turns up on an episode of A Football Life or something and is talking about a player or coach from the past I can't help but be fascinated by what he says. I have to remind myself that I'm supposed to hate him and have thrown things at the TV many times whenever he's been on the screen, because when he's not in Patriots Coach mode he's actually a very interesting guy and obviously has an incredible knowledge of the game and its history. 

 

I think it's because he's so passionate about it, it's kind of infectious. He'll talk about some obscure player I've never heard of from the 1960s and I'll find myself hanging on his every word. Sorry.

[Doc]

3 hours ago, NewEra said:

He this is what happens when you sell out.  It’s true.  He didn’t pretty good managing the cap for 20 years, but it caught up with him.

Look how many starters opted out.  They had no cap room.  look at their current front 7.  Cam has been pretty bad for a few years now.  He’s part of the problem, regardless of whether he was a former MVP.  He stinks.  They have zero offensive weapons.  I think they’ve actually played some tough games considering how bad the talent level of that team is.  It’s a secondary and an OL (that was hurt all year til now).  

 

He was able to get Brady to take a discount (presumably because he was getting paid under the table), as well as many FAs and that helped.  Those days are gone.

Edited November 12, 2020 by Doc

[MJS]

1 hour ago, JetsFan20 said:

Sony Michel and Nkeal Harry

Both suck

[JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS]

3 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

"The Two Bills" is a great 30 for 30 which has Parcells and Belichick sit down and reminisce through the old days. Couple of tough/ornery SOBs, that's for sure.

Tuna reaches out to BB several times, and BB just refuses to bury the hatchet.  Sad.

[HOUSE]

Maybe he can con some poor team out of Russell Bodine

[RochesterLifer]

2 hours ago, JetsFan20 said:

Sony Michel and Nkeal Harry

Is this meant as evidence of success or failure?

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

4 hours ago, Virgil said:

I don't think so.  He's actually been pretty crap at evaluating Talent.  You take Brady away, he doesn't have the career he did.

 

Also, his act doesn't translate well beyond the players, and even that is wearing thin

come on man his defenses are frequently top tier. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

3 hours ago, MJS said:

Belichick has made plenty of good trades over the years. And he takes the "sunk cost" mentality and moves on from players that don't work out quickly. But his drafting has always been below average. Now, part of that may be he is always drafting so low.

 

He seems to neglect certain positions, though, like WR and RB.

true, but seems like he drafts the trenches live crazy

[Augie]

4 hours ago, Virgil said:

I don't think so.  He's actually been pretty crap at evaluating Talent.  You take Brady away, he doesn't have the career he did.

 

Also, his act doesn't translate well beyond the players, and even that is wearing thin

 

He’s won 43% of his games without Brady. He has zero idea how to find a WR, and who would willfully join them at that position with their current QB situation. He’s a great DC, but needed Brady to move the ball, score points and lead the locker room. Guys don’t rally behind Belichick the way they do for McD. 

 

His temperament seems to rub players the wrong way. Would Gronk have “retired” if Belichick was more like McD? He let Chandler Jones go, despite him being a rare find in the draft. Belichick the GM does not impress me, but he’s still a brilliant coach. 

 

[atlbillsfan1975]

4 hours ago, JetsFan20 said:

Do you think his next act is as a GM/football czar?

 

Do you think he would be successful in that role or is he Phil Jackson 2.0?

Nah, he isn’t great at picking talent. He has had as many misses as hits. He got lucky with Brady. Belichicks record without Brady is below .500 just like this year. Belichick is also a cheater, it’s proven. He will be out of the league in 3 years. 

[Thurman#1]

4 hours ago, Virgil said:

I don't think so.  He's actually been pretty crap at evaluating Talent.  You take Brady away, he doesn't have the career he did.

 

Also, his act doesn't translate well beyond the players, and even that is wearing thin

 

 

I agree without Brady he doesn't have even close to his current legacy.

 

But he's been pretty good at evaluating talent. Less so the last few years, but part of that is trading draft picks for FAs lately. Three first round picks the last five years.

 

It's harder to do a great job drafting when you're in the last 20s nearly every year. Still, he hasn't done well the past 3 or 4 years.

[Big Turk]

5 hours ago, Doc said:

 

So you mean he'll retire after this season?  Because Stidham was his idea of proving he can do it without Brady...until Cam fell into his lap.  But he's finding it hard to win even with a 1st overall pick and former NFL MVP.

 

When you have the worst skill position players in the NFL that is what happens. Although Jakobi Meyers look like he actually might be pretty decent

[JetsFan20]

1 hour ago, RochesterLifer said:

Is this meant as evidence of success or failure?

It means he addressed those positions high in the draft. 

[Augie]

3 minutes ago, JetsFan20 said:

It means he addressed those positions high in the draft. 

 

 

.....and whiffed, which is how GM’s are judged. Nobody hits on all of their picks, but his batting average is not very good. 

[Thurman#1]

1 hour ago, MJS said:

Both suck

 

 

Harry and Michel? Not so much.

 

This is Harry's second year and he's better, and Michel is one of the best recieving backs in the league. Neither is a great draft bargain or anything at #31 and #32, but both are good players. But he hasn't had enough hits lately, no doubt.

[Virgil]

1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

come on man his defenses are frequently top tier. 

I attribute a lot of that to his scheme.  
 

Also, the hoodie is a piece of ***** in my eyes and I will look for every opportunity to bash him 🤷🏻‍♂️