Expect trades this week

[njbuff]

I wonder if they could make it work cap wise if they could trade for Atkins or Dunlap and release Murphy?

[Hampton Josh fan]

4 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

I swear I’ve had better discussions with a wall. WHO IS AGAINST IT? Where did I ever say I was against it? I simply asked multiple times where do you get the cap space? 

You said originally that we have enough talent and that Beane doesn't owe fans anything. Don't delude yourself with the defense played against the woeful Jets, who are trying to lose to get Lawrence. The Bills looked clueless against LA, Tenn and KC defensively. Our defense was elite last year. We need a spark. I wouldn't disparage conversational walls. They have a place in society. 

[Rc2catch]

2 minutes ago, njbuff said:

I wonder if they could make it work cap wise if they could trade for Atkins or Dunlap and release Murphy?

If I understood correctly they save nothing cutting Murphy. They have to trade his salary away to free the room. 

[Rc2catch]

1 minute ago, Hampton Josh fan said:

You said originally that we have enough talent and that Beane doesn't owe fans anything. Don't delude yourself with the defense played against the woeful Jets, who are trying to lose to get Lawrence. The Bills looked clueless against LA, Tenn and KC defensively. Our defense was elite last year. We need a spark. I wouldn't disparage conversational walls. They have a place in society. 

They certainly have the talent to compete defensively as is. You keep pointing out previous games but can we assume this is as good as this defense can play? EVERYONE would like to add talent. Beane, mcd, Jimmy at McDonald’s, everyone. I don’t think I’ve seen one person say they don’t want to add talent to the defense. But once again here we are.... How? Tomlinson from the giants is a realistic option the team can afford. Golden was close to salary we could afford. Yannick no way unless they attached salary to give away. Dunlap and Atkins probably are not, unless you can unload salary along with draft picks in the trade. That’s the whole point. Real life, not madden. How do you work the cap to fit in a larger salary than you can afford when there’s not many cuts to make, or restructures to do currently. 

[Hampton Josh fan]

39 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

Yeah - I mean living through the 0 for the 70’s, the end of OJ, Joe Ferguson, the lovely 2-14 mid eighties- you’re right - I never bled - I never sat in the end zone during the 51-3 playoff game and cheered and cried with my fellow fans.  
 

Yes - we finally have a tandem coach and GM that has given us reason to believe, but they do not owe us a trade that costs us in the future.  They owe us to be rational and smart - to make deals so that we can enjoy the next 10 years and be relevant - rather than make that deal that will look great and then when we can’t re-sign Milano and the defense gets worse next year - we go back to perpetual 7-9.

 

I think they have looked at the big picture and will do what is the best interest of this team now and going forward and if that means no trades - so be it and if that means multiple trades great.  I want them to do what they feel is in the best long term interest of the team.

Enjoy the next 10 years being irrelevant for the last 20. Being 0 for the Super Bowl era. Having a big time QB and an elite defense one year and regressing after spending a ton of money in the off season. You don't worry about long term relevance in the age of free agency. The loss of Brady has opened up the division and we have an opportunity now. Our ownership is outstanding  and our window is JAs rookie contract. We should be looking to go deep into the playoffs and create an environment that is inviting to free agents. Remember, this just started to be a desireable destination  since we made the playoffs 2 out of the last 3 years.

[Rochesterfan]

13 minutes ago, Hampton Josh fan said:

Enjoy the next 10 years being irrelevant for the last 20. Being 0 for the Super Bowl era. Having a big time QB and an elite defense one year and regressing after spending a ton of money in the off season. You don't worry about long term relevance in the age of free agency. The loss of Brady has opened up the division and we have an opportunity now. Our ownership is outstanding  and our window is JAs rookie contract. We should be looking to go deep into the playoffs and create an environment that is inviting to free agents. Remember, this just started to be a desireable destination  since we made the playoffs 2 out of the last 3 years.

 

So the Bills will be irrelevant for the next 10 years if we don’t make a trade that you feel is owed to the fans.  Got it.  Makes no sense, but ok.

 

The loss of Brady has opened the division and currently we are 1.5 games up - so seems the GM and HC have thought about that. 
 

The point is our window should not be just JA’s rookie contract, but his entire 15+ year career.  The HC and GM are making a desirable destination making the playoffs 2 of the last 3 and once they win this division this year 3 out of 4.

 

None of that changes if they make or do not make a trade.  What does have to be considered is does a trade this year cost us players next year and beyond.  Does bringing in a rental player for the end of this year mean we lose draft picks and players and what impact does that have.

 

Again - they owe you nothing - the HC and GM have repeatedly spoken about building a winner and a sustainable winning culture and that to me is more important than blowing a load this year and falling back into the same problems we have had year over year under prior regimes.

[Freddie's Dead]

7 hours ago, aristocrat said:

give me a tight end

 

Go hit the gym...

[BADOLBILZ]

6 hours ago, JGMcD2 said:

Well you threw 5 stats out there. 2 of which aren’t impacted by per game stats and 3 of which are...that’s why I asked the question. 
 

You also left out Josh’s 631 yards rushing and 8 touchdowns there... we can add rushing to the mix because that’s a big part of his game. 

 

Darnold 230 Y/G, 3.6 INT%,  77.6 RATING, 57.7 COMP% and 16 total TD in 13 games. 

 

Allen 224 Y/G, 3.8 INT%, 68 RATING, 52 COMP% and 18 total TD in 11 games. 

 

 

Darnold also lead the Jets to a come from behind victory over Allen in their head to head matchup that year.

 

It was capped by an absolutely great play where he left Kyle Williams flopping like a fish as he scrambled around and threw a dime for a TD.

 

Josh came out with a chance to take the lead back...........and instead threw a bad interception to seal the defeat.

 

At that point late in their rookie years the Bills had the better team but Darnold had upset them in Orchard Park and was, as previously noted.......clearly the more efficient passer.

 

I think it's very reasonable to wonder if the chaotic Jets organization hasn't sabotaged a QB who could have been very good right now if he were in a better place.

 

[Punching Bag]

4 hours ago, Hampton Josh fan said:

20 years in purgatory, with incompetence at the helm, featuring numerous head coaches and qbs, and the fans support in a small market providing one of the top 3 homefield advantages in the NFL. Yea, he owes us.

 

Home field advantage?  Players knew (I have talked to some) that if you got the ball in 2nd half you had an opportunity since most of fans would be in bathroom, smoking illegally or in lines for beer.

[Hampton Josh fan]

43 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

So the Bills will be irrelevant for the next 10 years if we don’t make a trade that you feel is owed to the fans.  Got it.  Makes no sense, but ok.

 

The loss of Brady has opened the division and currently we are 1.5 games up - so seems the GM and HC have thought about that. 
 

The point is our window should not be just JA’s rookie contract, but his entire 15+ year career.  The HC and GM are making a desirable destination making the playoffs 2 of the last 3 and once they win this division this year 3 out of 4.

 

None of that changes if they make or do not make a trade.  What does have to be considered is does a trade this year cost us players next year and beyond.  Does bringing in a rental player for the end of this year mean we lose draft picks and players and what impact does that have.

 

Again - they owe you nothing - the HC and GM have repeatedly spoken about building a winner and a sustainable winning culture and that to me is more important than blowing a load this year and falling back into the same problems we have had year over year under prior regimes.

A winning culture is getting better each year. Going from elite to allowing pts and yards at the bottom of the league after spending a ton of free agent money on underperformers on defense is not building anything. This group needs another tackle, or a linebacker to defend the run and a corner to replace Norman or Wallace, who get targeted every week and are nicked up to boot. Stop worrying about blowing a load and hold Beane responsible to fix this problem. As it is , the spending last off season was the blown load if we can't fix this.

[Georgia Bill]

4 hours ago, Weatherman said:

I would call the Phins about Fitz or sign the wrong Josh from the Bucs practice squad.  

I think Fitz to the Cowboys might make sense for both teams.

[The Jokeman]

2 hours ago, njbuff said:

I wonder if they could make it work cap wise if they could trade for Atkins or Dunlap and release Murphy?

Give me Dalvin Thomlinson over either of those two. We need a NT toss which they aren't as well both over aged. 

Edited October 26, 2020 by The Jokeman

[The Jokeman]

39 minutes ago, Hampton Josh fan said:

A winning culture is getting better each year. Going from elite to allowing pts and yards at the bottom of the league after spending a ton of free agent money on underperformers on defense is not building anything. This group needs another tackle, or a linebacker to defend the run and a corner to replace Norman or Wallace, who get targeted every week and are nicked up to boot. Stop worrying about blowing a load and hold Beane responsible to fix this problem. As it is , the spending last off season was the blown load if we can't fix this.

In retrospect Beanes biggest blunders this off-season were replacing Jordan Phillips with Butler and giving Klein so much money. As the LB depth sucks and injuries in the secondary have hurt yet bring back Norman and Wallace to play together our pass defense should improve with Jackson getting more playing time.

[Hampton Josh fan]

27 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

In retrospect Beanes biggest blunders this off-season were replacing Jordan Phillips with Butler and giving Klein so much money. As the LB depth sucks and injuries in the secondary have hurt yet bring back Norman and Wallace to play together our pass defense should improve with Jackson getting more playing time.

Did you ever think the loss of Phillips would be so devastating. The guy was something special and his impact made Oliver, Murphy and Hughes better. Edmund's and Milano were better last year as well.

[formerlyofCtown]

10 hours ago, mannc said:

Why would the Cowboys do that?  So they can get to 5-11 or 6-10?  Do you think making the playoffs with a losing record and getting trounced in the first round is something Jerry Jones will mortgage the future for?  

Gotta feel bad for that division winner.  Losing a playoff game and a top 15 pick Lol.

[Nebillzfan]

8 hours ago, billsfan89 said:

 

Just put him on IR and trade for a true one tech. I think rather than trade him for a bag of peanuts it is probably better to IR him and allow him to fully recover from his 2019 injury. Then bring him back to 2021 camp and see how he performs. He was a stud the first five games of 2019 before his injury. I think he clearly hasn't recovered from that injury. Give him the rest of the season and offseason to fully get back before dumping him. 

Yeah he needs time to get healthy. He was a decent run stopper when he was fully healthy. He is still on his rookie deal makes no sense to move him. 

[The Jokeman]

2 minutes ago, Nebillzfan said:

Yeah he needs time to get healthy. He was a decent run stopper when he was fully healthy. He is still on his rookie deal makes no sense to move him. 

If he isn't playing here you might as move him for something/someone who can.

[SCBills]

Something nobody notes when taking about Lawson and Phillips is that Beane could have paid them, but didn’t want long term deals in place.  
 

The guys we signed can all be cut this offseason with minimal cap hit.  

[JohnNord]

Out of all the names getting tossed around Dalvin Tomlinson is the player that I think makes the most sense.  Many have speculated because the Bills need help at 1DT and because Beane worked under Dave Gettleman.  
 

But, I’m not convinced Gettleman is even to trade him. While it would make sense, you can argue that there’s a chance he won’t even be around to use the draft capital he could acquire for Tomlinson in a trade. 

 

Also as poorly as NYG has played this season they are a few plays away from being first in the NFC East.  
 

If I am a GM on the bubble I’m in “win now” mode rather than thinking of the future 

Edited October 27, 2020 by JohnNord

[BuffaloRebound]

Gurley for a 6th rounder? Atlanta is pretty much done and he’s had a good start to the season. Looks like we’d only be on the hook for $1.5m of his salary.  He’d be nice to add in the mix at RB.  

[ganesh]

11 hours ago, Codyny13 said:

I don’t see the Jets moving Darnold in season. Wait until the draft order is setup, than pull a trade when you know where you’re sitting, he could be a huge part of moving to #1 if you’re not in that spot come April.

Agreed.  Darnold is not going anywhere.  While Darnold hasn't played very well, he also has had a coaching staff that hasn't supported him well.  The decision to keep Darnold or trade him will be on the next HC of the Jets

[BruceVilanch]

12 hours ago, aristocrat said:

give me a tight end

Do a lot of squats and hamstring curls, make sure you give your major muscle groups 24-48 hours to recover before you work them again. 

[ganesh]

5 hours ago, Hampton Josh fan said:

You said originally that we have enough talent and that Beane doesn't owe fans anything. Don't delude yourself with the defense played against the woeful Jets, who are trying to lose to get Lawrence. The Bills looked clueless against LA, Tenn and KC defensively. Our defense was elite last year. We need a spark. I wouldn't disparage conversational walls. They have a place in society. 

Our  defense "was elite last year" ----->   Do check the teams and QBs that we played last year.     Our defense is middle of the pack that protects the end zone. 

 

Last year the QBs we faced were :  Brady, Fitz, Darnold,  Mayfield, Duck, Lamar,  Dalton,  Mariota, Allen,  Haskins,  Wentz,  Prescot,  Jones.

 

This years QB faced:   Darnold,  Fitz,  Goff,  Mahomes,  Tannehill,  Carr

Goff, Mahomes, and Tannehill are playing at  MVP level and  Carr has had a very good season.   Event Fitz this year started with multiple 300 yard games.  

 

Competition is different and we are getting exposed,   Even last year, the Houston Texans exposed this defense in the playoffs.

[BillsMafia13]

If there was ever a time for us to trade for mack it’s now. Assuming the bears sink before the deadline. This has been way too long overdue 

[BobbyC81]

18 hours ago, RyanC883 said:

Tomlinson and a MLB.  That enables Edmunds and Milano to be on the outside.  

Do you guys just ignore what McDermott and Frazier say when they state Edmunds is theit MLB for the long term?

[Hampton Josh fan]

8 hours ago, ganesh said:

Our  defense "was elite last year" ----->   Do check the teams and QBs that we played last year.     Our defense is middle of the pack that protects the end zone. 

 

Last year the QBs we faced were :  Brady, Fitz, Darnold,  Mayfield, Duck, Lamar,  Dalton,  Mariota, Allen,  Haskins,  Wentz,  Prescot,  Jones.

 

This years QB faced:   Darnold,  Fitz,  Goff,  Mahomes,  Tannehill,  Carr

Goff, Mahomes, and Tannehill are playing at  MVP level and  Carr has had a very good season.   Event Fitz this year started with multiple 300 yard games.  

 

Competition is different and we are getting exposed,   Even last year, the Houston Texans exposed this defense in th

Statistically we were far better against the run and pass. My argument is with the defensive acquisitions, the money spent, and the lack of production. If we're building a product, getting pushed around and having to rely on winning shootouts is not the way.

[thebandit27]

9 hours ago, BruceVilanch said:

Do a lot of squats and hamstring curls, make sure you give your major muscle groups 24-48 hours to recover before you work them again. 

I’ll add barbell hip thrusts—nothing isolates the glutes (or makes other people at the gym chuckle) quite like ‘em!

[Putin]

22 hours ago, Greg S said:

I wouldn't be surprised if a team like Dallas calls the Jets about Darnold. Yes the Cowboys suck but that whole division sucks. Didn't Dalton get hurt yesterday. The Jets look like they are ready to move on from Darnold as they are looking at Trevor Lawrence for the future.

I don’t know why but I see Darnold being a Colt 

[RyanC883]

4 hours ago, ColeB said:

Do you guys just ignore what McDermott and Frazier say when they state Edmunds is theit MLB for the long term?

 

coaches have never been known to lie to attempt to boost the morale of a player?  Also, it's not ignoring, it's stating what I think should happen.  Edmunds has been terrible as a MLB, esp. this year.  

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

https://nfltraderumors.co/report-jets-shopping-dl-quinnen-williams/

 

I'd be interested to hear what folks think of this? Especially some of the guys more in the know about players!

[34-78-83]

5 hours ago, ColeB said:

Do you guys just ignore what McDermott and Frazier say when they state Edmunds is theit MLB for the long term?

They also ignore that you don't really have a "MLB" when you play 85% of your downs with 2 LB's in the Buffalo defensive scheme.

[Greg S]

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/ny-quinnen-williams-nfl-trade-deadline-20201027-qgms2fd2njbhxnkxa2cmaafqnm-story.html

 

Per the Daily News the Jets are looking to move Williams.

[MiltonWaddams]

1 hour ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

https://nfltraderumors.co/report-jets-shopping-dl-quinnen-williams/

 

I'd be interested to hear what folks think of this? Especially some of the guys more in the know about players!

Ridiculous. There’s tanking and there’s dismantling. This is the latter. Why trade low-cost, high-end young talent? This team is going to be bad for a very long time, with or without Lawrence, if they continue to send their top talent elsewhere. Not that I want them to keep it, of course.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 hours ago, ColeB said:

Do you guys just ignore what McDermott and Frazier say when they state Edmunds is theit MLB for the long term?

 

It's a puzzle to me as well.  People can second-guess them and their personnel evaluation and play armchair GM all they like, but the tea leaves are pretty clear to me from what McDermott and Frazier have said.

 

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

so will the bills do anything within 7 days?

 

Fitz to the Cowboys?

[sullim4]

Fitz to the Cowboys makes a lot more sense than going after Darnold.

 

The Jets have scarred Darnold and I think he's on the way to flaming out, short of getting into a situation where he's backing up a vet that knows what he's doing and can impart some of his experience onto him.  I also suspect the asking price for Darnold will be higher than Fitz, and assuming Dak actually makes it back, Dallas only needs a rental QB.

 

Strangely, I like Fitz enough to make me slightly consider rooting for Dallas.  Never thought those words would come out of my mouth.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 minutes ago, A Firm Tree Does Not Fear said:

so will the bills do anything within 7 days?

 

Fitz to the Cowboys?

 

I think Miami is 100% counting on Fitz to be the firm veteran voice in their QB room and at Tua's side on gameday - the mentor we failed to provide for Allen until partway through the season. 

 

And because he's a good guy and not a prick, he'll put duct tape on his heart and do it.

[benderbender]

11 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I think Miami is 100% counting on Fitz to be the firm veteran voice in their QB room and at Tua's side on gameday - the mentor we failed to provide for Allen until partway through the season. 

 

And because he's a good guy and not a prick, he'll put duct tape on his heart and do it.

Like he was for us? 

Y’all have some short memories.

 

Edited October 27, 2020 by benderbender

[Hapless Bills Fan]

10 hours ago, BillsMafia13 said:

If there was ever a time for us to trade for mack it’s now. Assuming the bears sink before the deadline. This has been way too long overdue 

 

The Bears are 5-2. 

 

That's the same record that we have, the Rams have, the Seahawks have, the Bucs have.

 

[Mango]

6 hours ago, ColeB said:

Do you guys just ignore what McDermott and Frazier say when they state Edmunds is theit MLB for the long term?

Where did McD say he was their long term solution? I know he said he had faith that Edmunds would figure out a way to get back on track, but I missed the part you are referencing.