Kenosha2Buffalo Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 (edited) If it lights a fire under the D, and the line plays really well, good for them. Just don't see it as a smart decision. Injuries ? What If someone goes down. Edited October 19, 2020 by Kenosha2Buffalo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 Just now, PetermansRedemption said: That strategy works IF the 3 you rush actually can generate pressure. I don’t have much confidence in our D line to do that. Hopefully I’m proven wrong. It's more about disciplined rush lanes. If you pressure him and he escapes he will hurt you every time either with legs or arm. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 So I'm trying to look at what would be happening if this were true. Remember so far the only source is this NFL-N Tom Pelissaro guy, and that McDermott is Not A Fan of tipping his hand personnel-wise Here's our depth chart off Buffalo Bills.com Per Joe B, last game the Bills pretty much played a 3 man rotation at DE featuring Hughes, Addison, and Murphy. Hughes with Addison was the most common, and Hughes with Murphy the runner-up. Epenesa and Johnson got a whole 7 snaps in the first half. So if Murphy is inactive, what would that mean? Giving Epenesa and Johnson more time? Johnson was benched last year due to struggles against the run. This is what Joe B had to say about Epenesa: Late in the Titans game, he showed a good reaction to the snap, whipped around Tennessee right tackle Dennis Kelly and tripped up Derrick Henry for a 3-yard loss. It was a great play. The rest of the time, though, Epenesa was borderline unplayable. He received a total of six snaps against the Titans and he needed to show more on four of them. Now I grant you that Joe B's perspective and the coaches' perspective may not coincide, and that the Bills want to shake things up, but it would seem odd to make Murphy inactive for Epenesa and Johnson. Likewise, even let's say the Bills plan to start Addison and Butler. Injuries happen; what's their backup plan if Phillips is inactive? The only reason I could see this making sense is if Beane has a trade in the works and they're inactive to ensure they stay healthy. I'm skeptical of this report. Time will tell. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Coach Tuesday said: Phillips makes sense to me based on his performance and the opponent. Murphy not so much - I am terrified of watching Darryl Johnson sell out over and over again on run fakes schemed up by Reid. Not that I love Murphy but I’d have thought a veteran end would be a better play against the Chiefs. Jefferson could start at Left DE and we might see him move in on passing downs (replacing Butler) and Johnson then man the end. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, PetermansRedemption said: That strategy works IF the 3 you rush actually can generate pressure. I don’t have much confidence in our D line to do that. Hopefully I’m proven wrong. 1 minute ago, dneveu said: It's more about disciplined rush lanes. If you pressure him and he escapes he will hurt you every time either with legs or arm. Eight defenders clogging passing lanes gives the DL more time to win their matchups. The Raiders also used a spy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 21 minutes ago, dorquemada said: 100% guaranteeing that KC will run strait up the middle all night long That's their weakness in the run game up the middle and I think a big reason they signed Bell. We shall see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 Racists. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 14 minutes ago, dneveu said: I like the idea - its like line changes in hockey. You have a group for 3rd and long, or 3rd and short etc. If everyone’s good fine. I don’t need the best players standing on the sidelines. They can rest when our offense is out there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: So I'm trying to look at what would be happening if this were true. Remember so far the only source is this NFL-N Tom Pelissaro guy, and that McDermott is Not A Fan of tipping his hand personnel-wise Here's our depth chart off Buffalo Bills.com Per Joe B, last game the Bills pretty much played a 3 man rotation at DE featuring Hughes, Addison, and Murphy. Hughes with Addison was the most common, and Hughes with Murphy the runner-up. Epenesa and Johnson got a whole 7 snaps in the first half. So if Murphy is inactive, what would that mean? Giving Epenesa and Johnson more time? Johnson was benched last year due to struggles against the run. This is what Joe B had to say about Epenesa: Late in the Titans game, he showed a good reaction to the snap, whipped around Tennessee right tackle Dennis Kelly and tripped up Derrick Henry for a 3-yard loss. It was a great play. The rest of the time, though, Epenesa was borderline unplayable. He received a total of six snaps against the Titans and he needed to show more on four of them. Now I grant you that Joe B's perspective and the coaches' perspective may not coincide, and that the Bills want to shake things up, but it would seem odd to make Murphy inactive for Epenesa and Johnson. Likewise, even let's say the Bills plan to start Addison and Butler. Injuries happen; what's their backup plan if Phillips is inactive? The only reason I could see this making sense is if Beane has a trade in the works and they're inactive to ensure they stay healthy. I'm skeptical of this report. Time will tell. So the guy had 6 snaps, looked great on one but was unplayable on the others....6 snaps...Give Joe B the Hyperbolic Award for Click Bait Journalism. 6 Snaps. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippery Rubber Mats Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 We need to tackle guys that are holding the football on their side of the line of scrimmage. If this move accomplishes that then I call it a good move. We will see in a few hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 (edited) I am guessing a trade is coming soon Edited October 19, 2020 by HOUSE 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 32 minutes ago, dorquemada said: Recovers? Hasn't it been a year? Recovered from the injury is not at all the same as being in top game shape, I would have thought anyone who knows something about sport injury would understand that, but I guess not... Go Bills!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: So the guy had 6 snaps, looked great on one but was unplayable on the others....6 snaps...Give Joe B the Hyperbolic Award for Click Bait Journalism. 6 Snaps. I hear you, but the point is it would be weird to declare Murphy inactive while giving him a buttload of snaps last week, and Epenesa only 7. 4 minutes ago, HOUSE said: I am guessing a trade is coming soon That was my thought too, although it would put McDermott/Frazier in a big bind not to be able to play whoever they think best, or at least have them available in case of injury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 10 minutes ago, Nihilarian said: That's their weakness in the run game up the middle and I think a big reason they signed Bell. We shall see. signing Bell to address a weakness running up the middle sounds like something the Jets would do...not the Chiefs. Bell was one of the more prolific pass catchers at the RB position. If he goes up the middle, it's on a delay after searching for a hole. He's not a guy you pound up the gut (why Gase didn't like him) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I hear you, but the point is it would be weird to declare Murphy inactive while giving him a buttload of snaps last week, and Epenesa only 7. I think they just know they have to get to Mahomes with 4. So when you look at Pass Rush you have one guy in Murphy who has 1 sack and 1 TFL in 175 snaps, and another in Epenesa who has 2 TFL and 1 Sack in 60. Hard to tell with McDermott, could have been the plan the entire time. Maybe they know they have to hit a home run tonight to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 can we just put star in harry's jersey? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 30 minutes ago, HardyBoy said: That might be what they're hoping for. Exactly. I'll take my chances stopping CEH (who is very good) vs Mahomes who is very very very good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 8 minutes ago, dorquemada said: Recovers? Hasn't it been a year? I've seen some things that indicate an ACL can take up to 2 years to fully heal.. obviously this differs from player to player, but it's possible he's still a step behind cause of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
die hard bills fan Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 OK.....The Chiefs now score 40 instead of 45. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 1 minute ago, aristocrat said: can we just put star in harry's jersey? But... Star sucks, I read it right here on this forum.... 😁 Go Bills!!! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Coach Tuesday Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 Just now, YoloinOhio said: Interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penfield45 Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 good riddance on trent murphy they might be right in the dline is rotating too often and guys aren't getting in rhythm or have enough reps to make an impact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
par73 Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 Murphy is horrible. I'm thinking Phillips hasn't fully recovered from the knee injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penfield45 Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 We need to replace both DE's next season. Draft a guy round 1 or 2 and sign 2 other FA's or make a trade. an elite LB and pass rusher is what this defense needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 Just now, par73 said: Murphy is horrible. I'm thinking Phillips hasn't fully recovered from the knee injury. Murphy is a JAG rotational player, I am fine with dumping him and giving his snaps to other players or just having the other guys in front of him play more. As far as Phillips I think his injury is hampering him. Phillips was a beast the first 5 games of the season. Once he got hurt the run defense began its horrid stretch of play and I think the two are at least somewhat related last season. I am OK with benching both and promoting/activating other younger players. Phillips might need a week off and Murphy you probably should just cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 Sheesh, some of y'all "fans" that really "love" this team sure have a lot of disparaging things to say about other human beings that are infinitely more athletically gifted than anyone posting here. I see crap like "worthless" or "waste of space/money" or "absolutely awful" or "putrid" or whatever other colorful terms you Rhodes scholars can come up with. It's one thing to criticize a guy and just say, "Yeah, he hasn't been playing very well" but the insults are just bullcrap, grow up. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 17 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: Recovered from the injury is not at all the same as being in top game shape, I would have thought anyone who knows something about sport injury would understand that, but I guess not... Go Bills!!! I never claimed to know anything about sports injury but if the defense of Harrison is "well he was injured 13 months ago, he may never get better!" then yeah we should probably be looking elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Here's to Cox Jr. being a thug like his dad and punching the Rat in the face. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babulator Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 Hindsight is obviously 20/20 but given what we invested in our D Line this past off season it looks we should have made a better effort to keep Jordan and Shaq. Neither one of them broke the bank and we could have made some wiggle room with releasing Trent etc etc. I'm not saying they were world beaters but, they were better and were also vocal locker room leaders. I didn't cry about these moves at the time but perhaps I should have. 😔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, blacklabel said: Sheesh, some of y'all "fans" that really "love" this team sure have a lot of disparaging things to say about other human beings that are infinitely more athletically gifted than anyone posting here. I see crap like "worthless" or "waste of space/money" or "absolutely awful" or "putrid" or whatever other colorful terms you Rhodes scholars can come up with. It's one thing to criticize a guy and just say, "Yeah, he hasn't been playing very well" but the insults are just bullcrap, grow up. This forum may be a bit much for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 Just now, Penfield45 said: We need to replace both DE's next season. Draft a guy round 1 or 2 and sign 2 other FA's or make a trade. an elite LB and pass rusher is what this defense needs. Looking at the D-line I can definitely say that DE is a pressing need. As far as DT goes I think getting Star back and dumping Butler would help and maybe the team can get Phillips back to full strength. As far as DE, Murphy is as good as gone and I think they will ask Hughes (barring a better performance the rest of the season) to take a pay cut. I would still want Hughes on the team for one more season as a rotational player and for the locker room but he will have to take a pay cut as he just isn't worth what he is owed next season. I like what Addision has brought as a supplemental pass rusher, he just can't be the sole main pass rusher on the team, he is roughly on pace for 7.5 sacks. The way I look at the D-line next season. Definitely brining back - Ed Oliver, Star, Jefferson, Addision, and AJ Not retained - Butler and Murphy Retained if a pay cut is taken - Hughes Retained but on the bubble - Phillips and Johnson That's about 5 players who are firmly back on the line in some role whereas there are 2-3 more who will be on the bubble or asked to take a pay cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 1 minute ago, babulator said: Hindsight is obviously 20/20 but given what we invested in our D Line this past off season it looks we should have made a better effort to keep Jordan and Shaq. Neither one of them broke the bank and we could have made some wiggle room with releasing Trent etc etc. I'm not saying they were world beaters but, they were better and were also vocal locker room leaders. I didn't cry about these moves at the time but perhaps I should have. 😔 I didn't like letting them go but said "In Beane We Trust" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 28 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: so far the only source is this NFL-N Tom Pelissaro guy, "This NFL-N Tom Pelissaro guy" is as connected as anyone and not a "clickbait" artist. No reason to discredit the report whatsoever. I mean, the inactives come out in 45 minutes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, blacklabel said: Sheesh, some of y'all "fans" that really "love" this team sure have a lot of disparaging things to say about other human beings that are infinitely more athletically gifted than anyone posting here. I see crap like "worthless" or "waste of space/money" or "absolutely awful" or "putrid" or whatever other colorful terms you Rhodes scholars can come up with. It's one thing to criticize a guy and just say, "Yeah, he hasn't been playing very well" but the insults are just bullcrap, grow up. I can get behind this. Fans will be fans, but the lack of feel is comical. Sometimes I feel like I come here more for a laugh from the hot takes of former JV HS football players with no concept of the day to day in professional sports. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 19, 2020 Author Share Posted October 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, Rico said: Here's to Cox Jr. being a thug like his dad and punching the Rat in the face. I just said the same thing in another thread 😂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, dorquemada said: I never claimed to know anything about sports injury but if the defense of Harrison is "well he was injured 13 months ago, he may never get better!" then yeah we should probably be looking elsewhere. Whatever... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 5 minutes ago, blacklabel said: Sheesh, some of y'all "fans" that really "love" this team sure have a lot of disparaging things to say about other human beings that are infinitely more athletically gifted than anyone posting here. I see crap like "worthless" or "waste of space/money" or "absolutely awful" or "putrid" or whatever other colorful terms you Rhodes scholars can come up with. It's one thing to criticize a guy and just say, "Yeah, he hasn't been playing very well" but the insults are just bullcrap, grow up. This. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 1 minute ago, babulator said: Hindsight is obviously 20/20 but given what we invested in our D Line this past off season it looks we should have made a better effort to keep Jordan and Shaq. Neither one of them broke the bank and we could have made some wiggle room with releasing Trent etc etc. I'm not saying they were world beaters but, they were better and were also vocal locker room leaders. I didn't cry about these moves at the time but perhaps I should have. 😔 Honestly the players they brought in to replace Jordan and Shaq aren't the issue (Addision and Jefferson) and Shaq and Jordan aren't having great seasons in their new teams either. The issue is age is catching up to Hughes, Henry hasn't been good (seems to me like he hasn't recovered from his injury), Butler has stunk and Ed Oliver hasn't taken that next step up just yet. It's more so on the existing players than on the guys that replaced Shaq and Jordan Phillips in my opinion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills6969 Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 I suspect Addison starts at DE tonight and Epenesa sees a lot of the playing time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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