\GoBillsInDallas/ Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 https://www.pilotonline.com/757teamz/vp-sp-ej-manuel-acc-network-20201016-utca56z6czcp3kgmiyt7hihd64-story.html Manuel had impressive back-to-back games in the preseason with the Bills but suffered a knee injury that caused him to miss the final two preseason games. An MRI revealed he needed a minor procedure. He returned but injured his knee again and missed six regular-season games. He finished the season with 1,972 passing yards, 11 touchdowns and nine interceptions in 10 games. He also rushed for 186 yards and two touchdowns. Looking back on it now, Manuel wished he — and his agent — would have spoken up. He felt he was rushed back to duty even though he wasn’t 100%. But he was a rookie and a No. 1 draft pick. Manuel knows that experience affected his career. “The perception of me was that I was a bust or that I couldn’t play,” he said. “Naturally, in the NFL, it’s a copycat league. So if one team feels like you can’t get it done, the other ones are going to start looking at you skeptically, too, without giving you a chance. It changed the projection of my career.” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 (edited) We did him no favors. that he continues to talk about it suggests he probably wasn’t doing himself many favors either who he was as a man behind the scenes always seemed an interesting story. We often heard the polished, mature story line but there were a few reports that suggested perhaps otherwise along the way. Edited October 17, 2020 by NoSaint 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 We probably did rush him back sooner than he would have liked. And that indeed may have had in impact on the direction of his career, somewhat. But it is not why his career was what it was. That comes down to a lack of talent, and that has nothing to do with an injury. Too bad he seems bitter about it all now. He always seemed like a good guy. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 He had plenty of chances in Buffalo and elsewhere. The bottom line is that he couldn’t see the field or sense pressure. 11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, Charles Romes said: He had plenty of chances in Buffalo and elsewhere. The bottom line is that he couldn’t see the field or sense pressure. yup. If he were lighting it up he would have found his way back. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 Maybe it is true that the Bills rushed him back from an injury as a rookie but it seems like a stretch that somehow that ended his career. He did not perform even when healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 I liked EJ as a person but as a QB he had to go. Even if EJ was in KC right now I still think his career would’ve taken the same path. Would love to have a Beer with EJ and Bruce though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brennan Huff Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 I feel like pretty much every player drafted by Buffalo in that era probably could have had a better career in the league if they were drafted by someone else 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBills88 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 He was a developmental QB for sure. Yeah Marone & staff did not do him any justice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4_kidd_4 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 Perception is reality. Reality is perception. Bust. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 (edited) 55 minutes ago, NoSaint said: We did him no favors. that he continues to talk about it suggests he probably wasn’t doing himself many favors either who he was as a man behind the scenes always seemed an interesting story. We often heard the polished, mature story line but there were a few reports that suggested perhaps otherwise along the way. I’m an FSU fan since the early 90’s my wife was a student there at the time and had tickets for all home game , I never liked him as a college QB and was so disappointed ( disgusted actually) when the Bills drafted him , FSU went undefeated and won National Championship (with a freshman QB ) the year after , Bottom line he was never good not in college or the NFL Edited October 17, 2020 by Putin 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 1 hour ago, \GoBillsInDallas/ said: https://www.pilotonline.com/757teamz/vp-sp-ej-manuel-acc-network-20201016-utca56z6czcp3kgmiyt7hihd64-story.html Manuel had impressive back-to-back games in the preseason with the Bills but suffered a knee injury that caused him to miss the final two preseason games. An MRI revealed he needed a minor procedure. He returned but injured his knee again and missed six regular-season games. He finished the season with 1,972 passing yards, 11 touchdowns and nine interceptions in 10 games. He also rushed for 186 yards and two touchdowns. Looking back on it now, Manuel wished he — and his agent — would have spoken up. He felt he was rushed back to duty even though he wasn’t 100%. But he was a rookie and a No. 1 draft pick. Manuel knows that experience affected his career. “The perception of me was that I was a bust or that I couldn’t play,” he said. “Naturally, in the NFL, it’s a copycat league. So if one team feels like you can’t get it done, the other ones are going to start looking at you skeptically, too, without giving you a chance. It changed the projection of my career.” Something something Hospitality tent Yeah, his coaching staff and the talent around him did him no favors. Yes, if he'd been allowed to sit and learn the game behind Kolb for a year (as was the plan) and if he'd been placed behind a capable OL instead of one forced into disarray by stubborn square peg shoving, and with WR experienced in the offense, he could probably have played better. On the other hand....even playing behind a crap OL with no run game and bargain-basement or checked-out WR, we could see competitive fire and leadership from Josh we never saw from EJ. And athleticism. Methinks that Manuel is getting a bit revisionist in his perceptions, seeing all the great dual-threat QB currently in the league and dreaming of what might have been. 17 minutes ago, Brennan Huff said: I feel like pretty much every player drafted by Buffalo in that era probably could have had a better career in the league if they were drafted by someone else Some truth to this 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fr. Jerk Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 Yea mayne, I remember those Sundays with EJ. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Hooks Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 28 minutes ago, Brennan Huff said: I feel like pretty much every player drafted by Buffalo in that era probably could have had a better career in the league if they were drafted by someone else Yeah, we kinda wasted a lot of really talented players. Over the last few decades. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsCuse Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 Blaming a minor injury for his bad career is pretty petty. They actually sat him for 5 or 6 games after he got injured in that Browns game. He also lost his job to Orton, then Tyrod who were both better than him. And that Jaguars game in London was pretty Peterman-esque. Nice guy, but come on 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasons1992 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 51 minutes ago, Charles Romes said: The bottom line is that he couldn’t see the field or sense pressure. "Slow eyes," right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 During his playing days I said the sooner he gives up the NFL & goes into tv the better for everyone involved. If he wanted to make a career of football, he had all the tools necessary for a long career in the booth or studio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 1 hour ago, NoSaint said: who he was as a man behind the scenes always seemed an interesting story. We often heard the polished, mature story line but there were a few reports that suggested perhaps otherwise along the way. ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another Fan Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 I always thought his best plan for long term success in the NFL after Buffalo, was to play in the Canadian league. There he could have got a better foundation for his game and work on the things that he felt needed to be adjusted. Like Doug Flutie to some extent I'm happy for him if he's happy with his life but in the long run I don't think the Bills necessarily ruined him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, Peter said: ??? here we are watching him make excuses/share blame. I don’t recall but think it was Timmy g that made some comments during the super bowl week one year that EJ was a bit immature/not a leader. it’s water under the bridge at this point but I just remember being curious about it a few times because some of the quiet undertones along the way seemed counter to the much louder pristine reputation of being an older, 4 year starter, mature, humble guy. Made me wonder about who the man was behind the marketing campaign as we rarely know too much about these guys. 5 minutes ago, Another Fan said: I always thought his best plan for long term success in the NFL after Buffalo, was to play in the Canadian league. There he could have got a better foundation for his game and work on the things that he felt needed to be adjusted. Like Doug Flutie to some extent I'm happy for him if he's happy with his life but in the long run I don't think the Bills necessarily ruined him he was already a guy with a ton of reps. At some point you aren’t going to radically change who you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another Fan Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, NoSaint said: he was already a guy with a ton of reps. At some point you aren’t going to radically change who you are. It could be done. Randall Cunningham was more a running back kind of QB when he came into the league but became more of pocket passer with the Vikings in the late 90's. Anyway if he really didn't like his time with Buffalo that much, that would have offered him a much different change of scenery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 36 minutes ago, Bobby Hooks said: Yeah, we kinda wasted a lot of really talented players. Over the last few decades. Agreed but EJ was not one of them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 EJ threw a football like most of us throw darts in a bar - same motion. Never progressed with it. His knee was not the issue. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 11 minutes ago, Another Fan said: It could be done. Randall Cunningham was more a running back kind of QB when he came into the league but became more of pocket passer with the Vikings in the late 90's. Anyway if he really didn't like his time with Buffalo that much, that would have offered him a much different change of scenery For perspective though, I’ve got to point out Cunningham was drafted 5 years before EJ was even born. we are talking about not just a totally different league but also radically different pipeline that players are developing in at that point (ie EJ was going to qb camps that young Randall couldn’t imagine) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 He lacked the head and arm talent. He was missing long throws by 10 yards out of bounds....I know, I had seasons in those days, and many of the misses were right in front of me. And, I will never forget the game in London....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another Fan Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 6 minutes ago, NoSaint said: For perspective though, I’ve got to point out Cunningham was drafted 5 years before EJ was even born. we are talking about not just a totally different league but also radically different pipeline that players are developing in at that point (ie EJ was going to qb camps that young Randall couldn’t imagine) Respect your opinion but I always did feel EJ didn’t have the mental toughness as well to play in the league. It appeared he got down on himself easily. That I think could have been worked on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 "Everybody else at home, doin' they Christmas shoppin'. WHAT WE DOIN'?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 As I saw it Marrone F’d him up big time. Raw rookie and DM wanted to run a hurry up offense. ??? When EJ was injured and the back up came in DM went with a more conventional O. Enter EJ back to hurry up. Enter Orton and it was still a disaster with the conventional O. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 Unfortunately for EJ, Gruden was not back in the league yet with the Raiders. Or he might still be on the Raiders roster. He's like a better version Peterpick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 2 hours ago, \GoBillsInDallas/ said: https://www.pilotonline.com/757teamz/vp-sp-ej-manuel-acc-network-20201016-utca56z6czcp3kgmiyt7hihd64-story.html Manuel had impressive back-to-back games in the preseason with the Bills but suffered a knee injury that caused him to miss the final two preseason games. An MRI revealed he needed a minor procedure. He returned but injured his knee again and missed six regular-season games. He finished the season with 1,972 passing yards, 11 touchdowns and nine interceptions in 10 games. He also rushed for 186 yards and two touchdowns. Looking back on it now, Manuel wished he — and his agent — would have spoken up. He felt he was rushed back to duty even though he wasn’t 100%. But he was a rookie and a No. 1 draft pick. Manuel knows that experience affected his career. “The perception of me was that I was a bust or that I couldn’t play,” he said. “Naturally, in the NFL, it’s a copycat league. So if one team feels like you can’t get it done, the other ones are going to start looking at you skeptically, too, without giving you a chance. It changed the projection of my career.” excuses. He was never an elite prospect. He could have been a good career backup. 24 minutes ago, Another Fan said: Respect your opinion but I always did feel EJ didn’t have the mental toughness as well to play in the league. It appeared he got down on himself easily. That I think could have been worked on a lot could have been worked on with him. We lacked any structure to assist players. That said, it has nothing to do with him not getting a chance elsewhere. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: Unfortunately for EJ, Gruden was not back in the league yet with the Raiders. Or he might still be on the Raiders roster. He's like a better version Peterpick. Gruden was the one who cut EJ after EJ had that one particularly disastrous preseason game with the Raiders. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, prissythecat said: Gruden was the one who cut EJ after EJ had that one particularly disastrous preseason game with the Raiders. Oh wow. I guess I stand corrected. Can't believe he still loves Peterman so much though. I got to give it to Peterman he's really good in practice and pre-season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XXI~PsychedelicBillsfan~ Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 JJ Watt had his number, man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another Fan Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, RyanC883 said: a lot could have been worked on with him. We lacked any structure to assist players. That said, it has nothing to do with him not getting a chance elsewhere. Agree, I think the coaching here didn’t handle him in the best ways. But to say the Bills stopped him from having some success ultimately as a starter in the NFL seems a little foolish to me. I still think he could’ve went about it differently, Ill leave it there with this thread Edited October 17, 2020 by Another Fan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 (edited) All I remember is whenever EJ threw the football, his arm motion reminded me of my kid sister...🤣🤣🤣 His “limp wrist” was second to none... Edited October 17, 2020 by JaCrispy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 3 hours ago, NoSaint said: We did him no favors. that he continues to talk about it suggests he probably wasn’t doing himself many favors either who he was as a man behind the scenes always seemed an interesting story. We often heard the polished, mature story line but there were a few reports that suggested perhaps otherwise along the way. ...have to agree....Nix's first choice was Genome Smith.......they flew down to interview him and work him out...plane ride home consensus was, "uh...no thanks"......EJ was his second choice and not worthy of a 1st round pick, but Buddy was hell bent......Marrone and his 2013 staff was not known for patience or developmental prowess either......EJ's fragile self confidence was also a major deterrent IMO............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 3 hours ago, \GoBillsInDallas/ said: https://www.pilotonline.com/757teamz/vp-sp-ej-manuel-acc-network-20201016-utca56z6czcp3kgmiyt7hihd64-story.html Manuel had impressive back-to-back games in the preseason with the Bills but suffered a knee injury that caused him to miss the final two preseason games. An MRI revealed he needed a minor procedure. He returned but injured his knee again and missed six regular-season games. He finished the season with 1,972 passing yards, 11 touchdowns and nine interceptions in 10 games. He also rushed for 186 yards and two touchdowns. Looking back on it now, Manuel wished he — and his agent — would have spoken up. He felt he was rushed back to duty even though he wasn’t 100%. But he was a rookie and a No. 1 draft pick. Manuel knows that experience affected his career. “The perception of me was that I was a bust or that I couldn’t play,” he said. “Naturally, in the NFL, it’s a copycat league. So if one team feels like you can’t get it done, the other ones are going to start looking at you skeptically, too, without giving you a chance. It changed the projection of my career.” Who is still writing about EJ Manual? Did the world run out to ***** to write about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 (edited) The biggest knock on him according to his own teammates (off-the-record) was that he could not learn the playbook. The offensive staff were constantly trimming plays back to half-field reads. Maybe things would have gone different with different OC and mentoring, but he had lost the locker room and as a QB that is tough to recover. Edited October 18, 2020 by WideNine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 EJ seems bitter about his time in buffalo. And he seems full of excuses why he didn’t succeed. It’s giving me flashbacks to his post game press conferences after terrible performances where he wouldn’t take ownership of his mistakes, and when asked about a poor performance would say things like “well the coaches said I did ok”. I always felt like EJ was lacking confidence. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 4 hours ago, Putin said: I’m an FSU fan since the early 90’s my wife was a student there at the time and had tickets for all home game , I never liked him as a college QB and was so disappointed ( disgusted actually) when the Bills drafted him , FSU went undefeated and won National Championship (with a freshman QB ) the year after , Bottom line he was never good not in college or the NFL I think that's full of hyperbole bro There's not FSU fan who won't admit EJ Manuel had a good senior season. he also won you guys like two orange bowls And had like 68% completion his senior year with over two to one touchdown interception ratio Was he a superstar? No, but the dude was one of the better college quarterbacks in FBS that year 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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