Stank_Nasty Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 (edited) I don’t get worked up about what most people in these positions say one way to the other. Just thought it was an interesting segment. Colin seems to be a BILLiever. I think Allen has a shot to move up this list by one or two slots over the course of the season. I’m skeptical that Big Ben just comes in and plays at a borderline probowl level. And watson doesn’t have his jump ball guy anymore. I would assume the heads of the fans from the other 3 AFC east teams would explode watching Allen go so high on this list. Haha. Edited July 1, 2020 by Stank_Nasty 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMDman Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 He also just listed McDermott at 2 out of 10 coaches he would pick if you were starting a franchise 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted July 1, 2020 Author Share Posted July 1, 2020 5 minutes ago, WMDman said: He also just listed McDermott at 2 out of 10 coaches he would pick if you were starting a franchise ya, I've noticed he's been pretty hot on McDermott for a bit now. I even knew before I clicked on this clip that he had been an Allen guy most of last year, but it still surprised me to see him rank Allen at #5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFan20 Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 1) Mahomes 2) Watson 3) Jackson 4) Big Ben 5) Rivers 6)Tannehill 7) Carr 8 ) Newton 9) Mayfield 10) Allen 11) Darnold 12) Minshew 13) Fitzpatrick 14) Lock 15) Taylor I left out Burrow 1 26 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasons1992 Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, JetsFan20 said: 1) Mahomes 2) Watson 3) Jackson 4) Big Ben 5) Rivers 6)Tannehill 7) Carr 8 ) Newton 9) Mayfield 10) Allen 11) Darnold 12) Minshew 13) Fitzpatrick 14) Lock 15) Taylor I left out Burrow You ate lunch early today, didn't you? 14 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Billieve Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 Ladies and Gentlemen I am pleased to announce we have a top 10 QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 24 minutes ago, WMDman said: He also just listed McDermott at 2 out of 10 coaches he would pick if you were starting a franchise Ahhh....beat me to it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17islongenough Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 I think it could be argued that Allen is ahead of Big Ben. Big Ben is 38 coming off of an injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 16 minutes ago, JetsFan20 said: 1) Mahomes 2) Watson 3) Jackson 4) Big Ben 5) Rivers 6)Tannehill 7) Carr 8 ) Newton 9) Mayfield 10) Allen 11) Darnold 12) Minshew 13) Fitzpatrick 14) Lock 15) Taylor I left out Burrow You love the Bills message boards! Can’t blame you though. You can come here and feel the excitement as opposed to more gang green gloom. Might as well jump on the bandwagon and be happy for the next decade+ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted July 1, 2020 Author Share Posted July 1, 2020 (edited) 20 minutes ago, JetsFan20 said: 1) Mahomes 2) Watson 3) Jackson 4) Big Ben 5) Rivers 6)Tannehill 7) Carr 8 ) Newton 9) Mayfield 10) Allen 11) Darnold 12) Minshew 13) Fitzpatrick 14) Lock 15) Taylor I left out Burrow if I was posting a crap list on a rival fans message board, I would at the very least put my own qb over theirs to cap it off. Edited July 1, 2020 by Stank_Nasty 2 12 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 9 minutes ago, 17islongenough said: I think it could be argued that Allen is ahead of Big Ben. Big Ben is 38 coming off of an injury. Eh. I see your point but I’m his last season, he threw for over 5,000 yards and 34 tds. He’s a total creep but if healthy, he’s easily a top 10 QBs. and you know I always liked? Cowherd. Dude loves buffalo and is dead on all the time!!! 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 A healthy first half of 2018 Cam Newton would pry be #3 or 4. I wish him a full and speedy recovery after he retires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark80 Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 (edited) 46 minutes ago, JetsFan20 said: 1) Mahomes 2) Watson 3) Jackson 4) Big Ben 5) Rivers 6)Tannehill 7) Carr 8 ) Newton 9) Mayfield 10) Allen 11) Darnold 12) Minshew 13) Fitzpatrick 14) Lock 15) Taylor I left out Burrow What is the point of posting on a board where everyone hates you? Just go away already. I have no idea why the admins allow you to troll around here on a daily basis. But i'm not going to suffer you any longer. Ignore list it is. Edited July 1, 2020 by Mark80 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 42 minutes ago, Seasons1992 said: You ate lunch early today, didn't you? He certainly did not stay in a Holiday Inn Express. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Stank_Nasty said: I don’t get worked up about what most people in these positions say one way to the other. Just thought it was an interesting segment. Colin seems to be a BILLiever. I think Allen has a shot to move up this list by one or two slots over the course of the season. I’m skeptical that Big Ben just comes in and plays at a borderline probowl level. And watson doesn’t have his jump ball guy anymore. I would assume the heads of the fans from the other 3 AFC east teams would explode watching Allen go so high on this list. Haha. Seems to be. I've seen as much criticism as praise from Cowherd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 1 hour ago, JetsFan20 said: 1) Mahomes 2) Watson 3) Jackson 4) Big Ben 5) Rivers 6)Tannehill 7) Carr 8 ) Newton 9) Mayfield 10) Allen 11) Darnold 12) Minshew 13) Fitzpatrick 14) Lock 15) Taylor I left out Burrow Go away. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 1 hour ago, JetsFan20 said: 1) Mahomes 2) Watson 3) Jackson 4) Big Ben 5) Rivers 6)Tannehill 7) Carr 8 ) Newton 9) Mayfield 10) Allen 11) Darnold 12) Minshew 13) Fitzpatrick 14) Lock 15) Taylor I left out Burrow You are a Jets fan, did Tannehill look good against you guys? He always played like dog Pooh against the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 3) Jackson LOL. Lets see how that turns out in 8 months time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted July 1, 2020 Author Share Posted July 1, 2020 10 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: 3) Jackson LOL. Lets see how that turns out in 8 months time you've always had quite the agenda there ive noticed. I don't really understand it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 44 minutes ago, Mark80 said: What is the point of posting on a board where everyone hates you? Just go away already. I have no idea why the admins allow you to troll around here on a daily basis. But i'm not going to suffer you any longer. Ignore list it is. why? he has Darnold after Allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 1 hour ago, JetsFan20 said: 1) Mahomes 2) Watson 3) Jackson 4) Big Ben 5) Rivers 6)Tannehill 7) Carr 8 ) Newton 9) Mayfield 10) Allen 11) Darnold 12) Minshew 13) Fitzpatrick 14) Lock 15) Taylor I left out Burrow So by what metric is Mayfield better than Allen? He had more offensive weapons, a better supporting cast, and still lost more games and threw 12 more interceptions than Allen. 12!!! My list would look like this: 1) Mahomes 2) Watson 3) Jackson 4) Big Ben 5) Allen 6) Mayfield 7) Darnold 8 ) Newton 9) Carr 10) Rivers 11) Tannehill 12) Lock 13) Fitzpatrick 14) Minshew 15) Taylor ? (Can't delete this stupid emoji) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 19 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: 3) Jackson LOL. Lets see how that turns out in 8 months time could be last year was LJ's "pop" year. Or maybe he's really that good. Like Allen, we wont know for another season or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 1 hour ago, JetsFan20 said: 1) Mahomes 2) Watson 3) Jackson 4) Big Ben 5) Rivers 6)Tannehill 7) Carr 8 ) Newton 9) Mayfield 10) Allen 11) Darnold 12) Minshew 13) Fitzpatrick 14) Lock 15) Taylor I left out Burrow I think Carr has regressed a lot over the years. Until he proves otherwise, I think he's below or even with Minshew. Tannehill's last season was magical. Based on last year, I think your slot is aacurate, but based on his career I think he's down a couple slots. I think the rest of the list is bang on based on what we know now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 Jets fan, Bwahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah, ????? how does one be a jets fan and have self respect?? Asking for a friend.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, JetsFan20 said: You are taking trolling to the next level. Whether you're here for irritation or useful knowledgeable banter is debatable. Personally I'd be upset as well if I saw my rivals build their team in a competent and sustainable manner while my team continues to implode with over paid useless FAs, a clueless HC and players who just want to jettison the dumpster fire the Jets are to date. Shame really because I like Darnold and think he'd be really good in the right organization. His developmental years are being ruined under that regime. Hopefully once his contract expires he can go elsewhere and thrive. Edited July 1, 2020 by billsbackto81 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 Wow that's saying something because he never says anything good about Buffalo ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 19 minutes ago, T master said: Wow that's saying something because he never says anything good about Buffalo ! that’s what I recalled too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, MJS said: So by what metric is Mayfield better than Allen? He had more offensive weapons, a better supporting cast, and still lost more games and threw 12 more interceptions than Allen. 12!!! My list would look like this: 1) Mahomes 2) Watson 3) Jackson 4) Big Ben 5) Allen 6) Mayfield 7) Darnold 8 ) Newton 9) Carr 10) Rivers 11) Tannehill 12) Lock 13) Fitzpatrick 14) Minshew 15) Taylor ? (Can't delete this stupid emoji) I think I am pretty much with you on this list for the most part. I actually think I would put Darnold and Newton right now above Mayfield, and I am a guy who felt Mayfield was the top QB (Allen #2) coming into that draft and thought he had the best rookie year by far. But last year he regressed with supreme levels of talent around him, albeit also bad coaching staff. So while I think Baker has a very high ceiling still, going off the most recent bodies of work, I feel like he was regressing and I think Darnold has the edge on the rankings list by a slim margin right now over Baker. And while I know Cam is not certainly the MVP Cam today, he is not that old, and people writing him off this early to me is premature. I don't know what he will look like in NE, but I do know that a healthy Cam is likely still a better QB than Darnold or Baker right now. So I would go simply move Newton to 6 and move Baker to 8. Other than that, I think the list is pretty solid where there are some guys in the bottom parts people can spilt hairs over. Your top 5 is how I would list them too. Big Ben is a question mark, but his play not he field had still been top 10 before the injury. So until he shows the decline on the field, that Steeler team has a lot of talent and I think Big Ben should put up a pretty good season. The major question mark for me with him is can he stay healthy. PS: I think Minshew is the second coming of FitzCrapTrick...a guy who can wow you one game and then lose you the next game. I think he is going to be the next "poor mans" Favre guy like Fitz was kind of labeled his whole career...a gunslinger without the talent to reach Farve like success. A guy players like, but will never be lock down starter and instead be a fun backup that will get chances around the league when teams start to rebuild and groom highly drafted QB's. He is young, so obviously, its just an opinion, and he can certainly prove that wrong. But he reminds me of Fitz when I watched him play. Edited July 1, 2020 by Alphadawg7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 I didn't know that anybody even paid attention anymore to Cowherd. He has constantly trashed the Bills and Buffalo in the past and now he's changing his tune because he doesn't want to look bad. What a POS 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 17 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: PS: I think Minshew is the second coming of FitzCrapTrick...a guy who can wow you one game and then lose you the next game. I think he is going to be the next "poor mans" Favre guy like Fitz was kind of labeled his whole career...a gunslinger without the talent to reach Farve like success. A guy players like, but will never be lock down starter and instead be a fun backup that will get chances around the league when teams start to rebuild and groom highly drafted QB's. He is young, so obviously, its just an opinion, and he can certainly prove that wrong. But he reminds me of Fitz when I watched him play. Fitzpatrick when he is on leads teams to wins you would not expect. If I was a head coach he would be my emergency "break glass" weapon. The good news for Minshew is he is unattached and if he is careful he will be able to milk his career into being a ladies' man, opposite of Fitpatrick who will likely be married when he is eligible for NFL PHOF Senior Selection. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 (edited) So he's saying, starting tomorrow, and he's very much including the QB's current situation. That would certainly make it reasonable for him to be ahead of Darnold and Fitz. That's still high for me, but not wildly unreasonable. He's clearly wrong when he says they had no deep threat last year. Brown was wide open over the top and overthrown a good 5 - 7 times last year. He is a terrific deep threat though that part of his game was wasted last year. He puts Allen ahead of Cam basically because the defense is better in Buffalo. And he doesn't like Cam's injury history. With those criteria, again, not wildly unreasonable. Edited July 1, 2020 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said: I think I am pretty much with you on this list for the most part. I actually think I would put Darnold and Newton right now above Mayfield, and I am a guy who felt Mayfield was the top QB (Allen #2) coming into that draft and thought he had the best rookie year by far. But last year he regressed with supreme levels of talent around him, albeit also bad coaching staff. So while I think Baker has a very high ceiling still, going off the most recent bodies of work, I feel like he was regressing and I think Darnold has the edge on the rankings list by a slim margin right now over Baker. And while I know Cam is not certainly the MVP Cam today, he is not that old, and people writing him off this early to me is premature. I don't know what he will look like in NE, but I do know that a healthy Cam is likely still a better QB than Darnold or Baker right now. So I would go simply move Newton to 6 and move Baker to 8. Other than that, I think the list is pretty solid where there are some guys in the bottom parts people can spilt hairs over. Your top 5 is how I would list them too. Big Ben is a question mark, but his play not he field had still been top 10 before the injury. So until he shows the decline on the field, that Steeler team has a lot of talent and I think Big Ben should put up a pretty good season. The major question mark for me with him is can he stay healthy. PS: I think Minshew is the second coming of FitzCrapTrick...a guy who can wow you one game and then lose you the next game. I think he is going to be the next "poor mans" Favre guy like Fitz was kind of labeled his whole career...a gunslinger without the talent to reach Farve like success. A guy players like, but will never be lock down starter and instead be a fun backup that will get chances around the league when teams start to rebuild and groom highly drafted QB's. He is young, so obviously, its just an opinion, and he can certainly prove that wrong. But he reminds me of Fitz when I watched him play. To me Mayfield and Darnold are very close and easily interchangeable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 2 hours ago, billsbackto81 said: Personally I'd be upset as well if I saw my rivals build their team in a competent and sustainable manner while my team continues to implode with over paid useless FAs, a clueless HC and players who just want to jettison the dumpster fire the Jets are to date. Dude, we had met the enemy and they was us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 6 hours ago, JetsFan20 said: 1) Mahomes 2) Watson 3) Jackson 4) Big Ben 5) Rivers 6)Tannehill 7) Carr 8 ) Newton 9) Mayfield 10) Allen 11) Darnold 12) Minshew 13) Fitzpatrick 14) Lock 15) Taylor I left out Burrow Well, you are a Packe...I mean, Jets fan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 7 hours ago, Seasons1992 said: You ate lunch early today, didn't you? I ate liquid lunch when I worked for the government. May be the case here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuelTime Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 8 hours ago, JetsFan20 said: 1) Mahomes 2) Watson 3) Jackson 4) Big Ben 5) Rivers 6)Tannehill 7) Carr 8 ) Newton 9) Mayfield 10) Allen 11) Darnold 12) Minshew 13) Fitzpatrick 14) Lock 15) Taylor I left out Burrow There is absolutely nothing wrong with this list going into this season. I do think there is a good chance this list changes dramatically over the next year as some of those players are old (Big Ben and Rivers), most likely plateaued (Tannehill and Carr), or getting progressively worse (Newton). Mayfield, Allen, and Darnold all have a chance to be top 3-5 on this list by the end of the season as long as they don't regress. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 5 seems right, esp if you are projecting the same percentage improvement from season 1-2 onto 2-3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 2 hours ago, JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS said: Dude, we had met the enemy and they was us. So you want to take the high road and just acknowledge the "we've been there" approach? Commendable but I don't share the same sentiment. If Josh can lead this team to a title I will let every other fan base know who the current reigning champs are every single day until opening day the following season. With all the grief and insults over the past 20 years it will be rightfully warranted. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVilanch Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 7 hours ago, Don Otreply said: Jets fan, Bwahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah, ????? how does one be a jets fan and have self respect?? Asking for a friend.... Lets not bash him too much, people were probably saying that about us up until 3 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelius Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 4 hours ago, Mike in Horseheads said: I didn't know that anybody even paid attention anymore to Cowherd. He has constantly trashed the Bills and Buffalo in the past and now he's changing his tune because he doesn't want to look bad. What a POS I swear he was just getting trashed here about a week ago for some awful opinion, but unfortunately can't find it. Even with this praise Cowherd is an insufferable dork that should be ignored. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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