Goodell Admits NFL Was Wrong Not to Listen

[K-9]

This is momentous, imo.
 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiIwLOs4uvpAhU6g3IEHVhuBTIQxfQBMAB6BAgKEAM&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F2020%2F06%2F05%2Fsport%2Froger-goodell-responds-nfl-stronger-together-video%2Findex.html&usg=AOvVaw0o0V4sj7jxyHaL0eteCYZx

[Cripple Creek]

I’m not sure about momentous.  The NFL is so far behind the NBA, this coming from someone who hasn’t watched a full NBA game in years and years, that it’s not even funny.

 

I’m all for improvements, don’t get me wrong. I’m just not sure that Goodell or owners should be getting getting credit for something they are doing so late.

 

Also, proof is in the puddin Roger. It’s your move.

[RalphWilson'sNewWar]

Notice when they make the announcement ?  Friday Night.  The weekly dumping ground for when companies don’t think/want the majority of people are watching/hearing the news.

 

those folks in the New York offices are clever.

 

but at least it was finally said

Edited June 5, 2020 by RalphWilson'sNewWar

[K-9]

Just now, Cripple Creek said:

I’m not sure about momentous.  The NFL is so far behind the NBA, this coming from someone who hasn’t watched a full NBA game in years and years, that it’s not even funny.

 

I’m all for improvements, don’t get me wrong. I’m just not sure that Goodell or owners should be getting getting credit for something they are doing so late.

 

Also, proof is in the puddin Roger. It’s your move.

Considering where the NFL was during the Colin Kaepernick protests, momentous is the only word I can think of. But your larger point is well taken. The nfl has been tone deaf for a long time. 

[Blank Stare]

Good first step. 

[Happy]

What will the NFL do differently?  It's all really vague from what I can see.

[K-9]

2 minutes ago, Happy said:

What will the NFL do differently?  It's all really vague from what I can see.

This is the million dollar question. Me, I’m skeptical because Goodell only serves at the behest of the ownership that couldn’t be more regressive in their views on the matter. If the NFL had more owners like Mark Cuban, for example, I could see a more receptive collective, but the NFL isn’t a bastion of forward thinking when it comes to societal issues. Then again, sometimes Goodell’s job is to save the owners from themselves, so maybe there’s a glimmer of hope.

[RalphWilson'sNewWar]

1 minute ago, K-9 said:

This is the million dollar question. Me, I’m skeptical because Goodell only serves at the behest of the ownership that couldn’t be more regressive in their views on the matter. If the NFL had more owners like Mark Cuban, for example, I could see a more receptive collective, but the NFL isn’t a bastion of forward thinking when it comes to societal issues. Then again, sometimes Goodell’s job is to save the owners from themselves, so maybe there’s a glimmer of hope.

Cynical response would be, ‘Players are allowed to kneel during anthem’, but with no fans in stadium who will see it?

 

thats when it will fall on NBC, CBS, FOX and ESPN to show the players kneeling.  EVERY WEEK.

[Happy]

1 minute ago, K-9 said:

This is the million dollar question. Me, I’m skeptical because Goodell only serves at the behest of the ownership that couldn’t be more regressive in their views on the matter. If the NFL had more owners like Mark Cuban, for example, I could see a more receptive collective, but the NFL isn’t a bastion of forward thinking when it comes to societal issues. Then again, sometimes Goodell’s job is to save the owners from themselves, so maybe there’s a glimmer of hope.

 

Are they going to allow and/or encourage more players to kneel during the Anthem?  If so, will the league (or NFLPA) mandate that Kapernick be brought back?  If my questions are affirmative, oil and water are being mixed by playing the Anthem; I would pull the plug on playing the NA at the beginning of the games if I were Goodell.  The owners have to also keep in mind that they have a going concern with the NFL, and while business is good at this point (revenue wise), it can go downhill.  A balance needs to be reached because nothing is too big to fail.  Social issues and pro sports are not a good combination; people watch and follow sports to get away from the rest of the world for a while.

[FLFan]

It’s about time.  The statement he released previously was beyond weak and totally hypocritical.  Let’s see if the NFL actually holds firm when it becomes an issue this Fall.  I have made doubts.

[JoPoy88]

29 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:

I’m not sure about momentous.  The NFL is so far behind the NBA, this coming from someone who hasn’t watched a full NBA game in years and years, that it’s not even funny.

 

I’m all for improvements, don’t get me wrong. I’m just not sure that Goodell or owners should be getting getting credit for something they are doing so late.

 

Also, proof is in the puddin Roger. It’s your move.

you’re both right. League is woefully miles and miles behind the NBA. But considering how insular, how slow-moving these owners are in the NFL, I think it can be characterized as momentous.

[Bferra13]

8 minutes ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:

Cynical response would be, ‘Players are allowed to kneel during anthem’, but with no fans in stadium who will see it?

 

thats when it will fall on NBC, CBS, FOX and ESPN to show the players kneeling.  EVERY WEEK.

The NFL probably doesnt care about kneeling, they care about $$$$. Let them kneel again, and people will be turned off and tune out. Lose lose situation here.

[Warcodered]

47 minutes ago, K-9 said:

This is momentous, imo.
 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiIwLOs4uvpAhU6g3IEHVhuBTIQxfQBMAB6BAgKEAM&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F2020%2F06%2F05%2Fsport%2Froger-goodell-responds-nfl-stronger-together-video%2Findex.html&usg=AOvVaw0o0V4sj7jxyHaL0eteCYZx

Just a year or two from saying players can sit out/kneel for the anthem in the locker rooms but if they did it on the field they'd get fined. Such a beacon of progress.

[Process]

Players were smart to include Mahomes in their video. If he continues to speak out players are going to get the green light to do whatever the heck they want.

 

NFL could care less about guys like Kap, Stills and the Bennett brothers.

[K-9]

3 minutes ago, Happy said:

 

Are they going to allow and/or encourage more players to kneel during the Anthem?  If so, will the league (or NFLPA) mandate that Kapernick be brought back?  If my questions are affirmative, oil and water are being mixed by playing the Anthem; I would pull the plug on playing the NA at the beginning of the games if I were Goodell.  The owners have to also keep in mind that they have a going concern with the NFL, and while business is good at this point (revenue wise), it can go downhill.  A balance needs to be reached because nothing is too big to fail.  Social issues and pro sports are not a good combination; people watch and follow sports to get away from the rest of the world for a while.

Fair points, all. And well stated. 
 

I wonder if Goodell senses a shift in the sensibilities of America given the last 10 days. I wonder if the networks do as well even if the current broadcast deal still has a few seasons to run. 
 

I agree with the idea of pulling the plug in the NA at the beginning of games. It’s been a farce for a long time given the amount of disrespect I’ve witnessed long before Colin Kaepernick as well as since. 

5 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

Just a year or two from saying players can sit out/kneel for the anthem in the locker rooms but if they did it on the field they'd get fined. Such a beacon of progress.

Fair point.

[klos63]

9 minutes ago, Happy said:

 

Are they going to allow and/or encourage more players to kneel during the Anthem?  If so, will the league (or NFLPA) mandate that Kapernick be brought back?  If my questions are affirmative, oil and water are being mixed by playing the Anthem; I would pull the plug on playing the NA at the beginning of the games if I were Goodell.  The owners have to also keep in mind that they have a going concern with the NFL, and while business is good at this point (revenue wise), it can go downhill.  A balance needs to be reached because nothing is too big to fail.  Social issues and pro sports are not a good combination; people watch and follow sports to get away from the rest of the world for a while.

Reasonable people can disagree on this statement.  i.e. Jackie Robinson breaking the color barrier in MLB.  Made baseball much better to watch in the long run.

[RiotAct]

8 minutes ago, Bferra13 said:

The NFL probably doesnt care about kneeling, they care about $$$$. Let them kneel again, and people will be turned off and tune out. Lose lose situation here.

but think of how many viewers they’ll GAIN by encouraging the players to kneel!!!

 

: guy nodding and pointing to his head GIF :

[klos63]

9 minutes ago, Bferra13 said:

The NFL probably doesnt care about kneeling, they care about $$$$. Let them kneel again, and people will be turned off and tune out. Lose lose situation here.

You may be right about the NFL's motivation here, but it is possible that they've watched the events of the last week in horror like many of us did and realized they might be able to be a positive influence on a change in society. We can hope.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

38 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:

I’m not sure about momentous.  The NFL is so far behind the NBA, this coming from someone who hasn’t watched a full NBA game in years and years, that it’s not even funny.

 

I’m all for improvements, don’t get me wrong. I’m just not sure that Goodell or owners should be getting getting credit for something they are doing so late.

 

Also, proof is in the puddin Roger. It’s your move.

there are some interesting articles out there re why the NFL and NBA have been so different on social justice. While I think Silver has been a more outspoken advocate of social justice issues than Goodell, one of the key differences that people point to is the leadership of the players. The superstars in the NBA all hold high-level positions in the union executive power structure. In the NFL, the back-up scrub olinemen seem to hold those positions.  

[Billl]

12 minutes ago, Happy said:

 If so, will the league (or NFLPA) mandate that Kapernick be brought back?

They should offer him a position in the league office.

[Lurker]

Goodell is a mouthpiece for the owners.    If anything changes in how the league views player protests, he'll be the first to hear about it...

[Don Otreply]

I see more players taking a knee, will we get to see if Americans believe in Americans exercising their constitutional rights.  There will be a noisy minority that can’t live with it...  for the majority of Americans it will be an honored tradition. 

[Chicken Boo]

Better late than never, I guess.

[Man with No Name]

What big changes are we going to get? Players are allowed to kneel? Lol. Nothing to see here. 

[K-9]

16 minutes ago, JR in Pittsburgh said:

there are some interesting articles out there re why the NFL and NBA have been so different on social justice. While I think Silver has been a more outspoken advocate of social justice issues than Goodell, one of the key differences that people point to is the leadership of the players. The superstars in the NBA all hold high-level positions in the union executive power structure. In the NFL, the back-up scrub olinemen seem to hold those positions.  

Yep. And NFL superstars like Brees ...

[JoPoy88]

6 minutes ago, Man with No Name said:

What big changes are we going to get? Players are allowed to kneel? Lol. Nothing to see here. 

i would hope the league is preparing to make more overtures than just that, but it’s a slim hope.

[K-9]

5 minutes ago, Man with No Name said:

What big changes are we going to get? Players are allowed to kneel? Lol. Nothing to see here. 

I think that misses the point. It’s not about players kneeling, it’s about the NFL admitting that they were wrong about there being a systemic problem with police brutality in the black community. 

[Rocky Landing]

13 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

I see more players taking a knee, will we get to see if Americans believe in Americans exercising their constitutional rights.  There will be a noisy minority that can’t live with it...  for the majority of Americans it will be an honored tradition. 

Yeah, one thing is for sure: If the NFL season goes forward with people in the stands, and you still have an issue with players taking a knee during the anthem, ya better get over it.

[Gugny]

I'll be happy when the NFL admits that they blackballed Colin Kaepernick to save their image.  Until then, Roger Goodell can go ***** himself.

[machine gun kelly]

I think it is great what these players did, and represented peaceful, lawful protesting for disgusting unlawful behavior that should be condemned by all.  They handled well, and hope this sparks more change, but in the right way, not breaking the law hurting poor shop owners, many African- American who did not deserve to have their shops looted.  Do it the right way, and most Americans I know and all I’m friends with do not condone this despicable behavior taking advantage of their position in law enforcement.  Just do it right.

 

As I’ve said before, I pray for the Floyd family.  We should be past this crap.

[TuelTime]

Jay-Z will become an owner and Kaep is going to land a #2 gig. You heard it here first.

[LABILLBACKER]

This was long overdue. I'm glad the league is finally recognizing this. Too bad it took another murder of a black man for this to happen. I'm an old white guy who hoped the civil rights of the 60's or the Rodney King riots would spark a true change. But it didn't happen. 400 years dating back to 1619 Virginia. White silence must end forever. A true change is comin......

1 minute ago, TuelTime said:

Jay-Z will become an owner and Kaep is going to land a #2 gig. You heard it here first.

We may cut Fromm and sign Kaep. He'd be better than Barkley/ Fromm anyway.

[Happy]

33 minutes ago, Billl said:

They should offer him a position in the league office.

 

That would be the NFL's last season.

[Saint Doug]

I have to admit. Many of these CEOs coming out now in support for social change seems more like shrewd business decisions. Once they do, after no one has been murdered, I’ll take more notice. 

[LB3]

1 minute ago, klos63 said:

Most developed nations have police killings in the single digits, so regardless of the color of those killed, we have a problem with our police.

Do you think that the ultimate melting pot of different peoples and cultures doesn't contribute to this?  Difference has always meant conflict.

[Gugny]

16 minutes ago, Gugny said:

I'll be happy when the NFL admits that they blackballed Colin Kaepernick to save their image.  Until then, Roger Goodell can go ***** himself.

 

@Jaraxxus, please tell me what's so funny about this.  Have you ever lost your career for a legal, silent protest?

[Kirby Jackson]

51 minutes ago, JR in Pittsburgh said:

there are some interesting articles out there re why the NFL and NBA have been so different on social justice. While I think Silver has been a more outspoken advocate of social justice issues than Goodell, one of the key differences that people point to is the leadership of the players. The superstars in the NBA all hold high-level positions in the union executive power structure. In the NFL, the back-up scrub olinemen seem to hold those positions.  

Some of it’s the nature of the league too. The NBA players don’t wear helmets. They are the most recognizable athletes in the country. I could pick out a role player on the Sacramento Kings but didn’t know who a few of those guys in that video were by face. There’s nothing that the NFL can do about that but it is absolutely a factor.

Edited June 6, 2020 by Kirby Jackson

[TroutDog]

55 minutes ago, Happy said:

 

Are they going to allow and/or encourage more players to kneel during the Anthem?  If so, will the league (or NFLPA) mandate that Kapernick be brought back?  If my questions are affirmative, oil and water are being mixed by playing the Anthem; I would pull the plug on playing the NA at the beginning of the games if I were Goodell.  The owners have to also keep in mind that they have a going concern with the NFL, and while business is good at this point (revenue wise), it can go downhill.  A balance needs to be reached because nothing is too big to fail.  Social issues and pro sports are not a good combination; people watch and follow sports to get away from the rest of the world for a while.

This entire narrative needs work, in my opinion. You CAN be pro BLM (Kaepernick) AND pro police. We do not need to segregate into a ‘this or that’ proposition...both can exist together. 
 

I gave a tremendous amount for this country...NOT the anthem. What Kaepernick did was SPECIFICALLY what I fought for: our rights under the Constitution! I have always respected what he did and only wish those of us who see the world as black/white or ones/twos could calm themselves and see a larger picture. ? 

[Happy]

43 minutes ago, klos63 said:

Reasonable people can disagree on this statement.  i.e. Jackie Robinson breaking the color barrier in MLB.  Made baseball much better to watch in the long run.

 

Concur that black inclusion in pro sports has made them better.  i have to disagree that current events are like Jackie Robinson breaking the color barrier.  The league is already integrated and overall is not racist; there may be players here and there, but as a whole racism is not tolerated.  What is happening now concerns race relations with a fraction of the nation's police force.  Players are not prevented from playing sports because of their ethnicity.

[Chaos]

My observation is that 99.9 percent of people are not participating in protests  but the media is providing 24x7 coverage of those that are resulting in a complete lack of perspective of any other 

viewpoints.