NoSaint Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 4 years better than the 6 zeke got. And the dude takes less of a beating. Likely won’t live up to it but unlikely it’s a train wreck 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 1 hour ago, BillsMafi$ said: Worst contract in the nfl 57 minutes ago, aristocrat said: negative that would be david johnson 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 The only thing about this if he could be the best slot receiver in the nfl if he really wears down at Rb. This guy is the ultimate weapon. Loved him since Stanford. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 I’m curious about the timing of this deal. He still had two years left on his deal. Were they worried about a holdout? Of all positions that take a beating and fade out, why post up more money earlier than you have to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 Is Sherlock ok? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank Stare Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 He’s been great, but that’s a lot of scratch for a RB. You can maybe argue timing of the deal with two years left on his old deal, but not sure what choice they had. Hoping it works out better for everyone involved (team and player) than some of these other top RB contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Lot of money for a running back. Even one who gives such good value as a receiver. There aren't many dollars better spent in the NFL in then last 2 years. Huge impact player---at a fraction of what, for instance, the Bears are tying up in a Khalil Mack... 1 hour ago, DJB said: Paying an RB top notch money coming out of their rookie contract is a recipe for disaster If you never saw him play or even heard of him before this thread, this might be a semi-rigid take... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted April 13, 2020 Author Share Posted April 13, 2020 28 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: have you seen David Johnson’s production? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 7 minutes ago, aristocrat said: have you seen David Johnson’s production? Or David Production's Johnson? 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 I don't know why they would sign this extension now but it seems fair value for the dual threat dynamic back he is, he also doesn't have the knee history of Gurley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 31 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: There aren't many dollars better spent in the NFL in then last 2 years. Huge impact player---at a fraction of what, for instance, the Bears are tying up in a Khalil Mack... If you never saw him play or even heard of him before this thread, this might be a semi-rigid take... Not sure I exactly follow but I'll go with more info to back my point Shaun Alexander L Bell T Gurley D Johnson 4 guys off the top of my head who were at one time elite only to fail to come anywhere close to elite production after their rookie contracts. I'm not arguing that McCaffrey will fall flat on his face, more so that to take extreme caution when paying one top $$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 Just now, DJB said: Not sure I exactly follow but I'll go with more info to back my point Shaun Alexander L Bell T Gurley D Johnson 4 guys off the top of my head who were at one time elite only to fail to come anywhere close to elite production after their rookie contracts. I'm not arguing that McCaffrey will fall flat on his face, more so that to take extreme caution when paying one top $$ Thanks for confirming my suspicion. For your education: McCaffrey, in 3 seasons, has almost 3000 yards rushing, over 2500 yards receiving and 39 TDs. But, yeah, he's just another overpaid RB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted April 13, 2020 Author Share Posted April 13, 2020 5 minutes ago, DJB said: Not sure I exactly follow but I'll go with more info to back my point Shaun Alexander L Bell T Gurley D Johnson 4 guys off the top of my head who were at one time elite only to fail to come anywhere close to elite production after their rookie contracts. I'm not arguing that McCaffrey will fall flat on his face, more so that to take extreme caution when paying one top $$ Didn’t Shaun Alexander lead the nfl in rushing late in his career? shady, ap, emmit Smith all kept their careers going Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, DJB said: Not sure I exactly follow but I'll go with more info to back my point Shaun Alexander L Bell T Gurley D Johnson 4 guys off the top of my head who were at one time elite only to fail to come anywhere close to elite production after their rookie contracts. I'm not arguing that McCaffrey will fall flat on his face, more so that to take extreme caution when paying one top $$ To be fair, Bell screwed himself taking a year off and not using the time to get himself in amazing shape. Gurley was always known to have knee issues that could be a problem. And Johnson has had one injury plagued down year, he could still bounce back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted April 13, 2020 Author Share Posted April 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Thanks for confirming my suspicion. For your education: McCaffrey, in 3 seasons, has almost 3000 yards rushing, over 2500 yards receiving and 39 TDs. But, yeah, he's just another overpaid RB. Just FYI he is the only rb to ever have those stats you mentioned. The only one ever in the history of the universe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bookie Man Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 Good for him. CMC is a quality human being. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 53 minutes ago, Virgil said: I’m curious about the timing of this deal. He still had two years left on his deal. Were they worried about a holdout? Of all positions that take a beating and fade out, why post up more money earlier than you have to? Yes I read that he wasn’t expected to show up without a new deal 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 Worth it. Averaged almost 150 yards/game last year. For comparison's sake, Michael Thomas, the top WR last year, average 107 yards/game. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 14 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said: To be fair, Bell screwed himself taking a year off and not using the time to get himself in amazing shape. Gurley was always known to have knee issues that could be a problem. And Johnson has had one injury plagued down year, he could still bounce back Bell also had a dysfunctional front office and coaching staff but he was one who made the decision so that is no excuse although it is a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 26 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Thanks for confirming my suspicion. For your education: McCaffrey, in 3 seasons, has almost 3000 yards rushing, over 2500 yards receiving and 39 TDs. But, yeah, he's just another overpaid RB. I'm aware of what he has done. It's been dominant. Again I never said that i wouldn't pay CMAC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 Once he gets hurt from overuse, this will become the worst contract in NFL history. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 I had him on my fantasy team and he carried me to the Championship. He'l be a top 3 pick this year. I got him at 8 last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 3 hours ago, Limeaid said: Too bad Woody Harrelson will be too old to play him in the movie version of his career "White man CAN run (and catch)". While the Panthers want to get the most out of him they are need to scheme to get less hits so he can get more yards. Is that some parallel universe where Woody didn't star in White Men Can't Jump? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 1 hour ago, aristocrat said: Just FYI he is the only rb to ever have those stats you mentioned. The only one ever in the history of the universe Because he is simply the best running back of all time... 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: Yes I read that he wasn’t expected to show up without a new deal They snaked him right out from under us 2 hours ago, CommonCents said: Is Sherlock ok? No, no he is not 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted April 14, 2020 Author Share Posted April 14, 2020 11 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said: Because he is simply the best running back of all time... They snaked him right out from under us well he certainly has a nice start to being the best ever. now he needs to stay healthy and have the right staff to get him the ball 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 1 hour ago, aristocrat said: have you seen David Johnson’s production? I have. He didn't carry that kind of salary or cap hit though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, aristocrat said: well he certainly has a nice start to being the best ever. now he needs to stay healthy and have the right staff to get him the ball Well that's why he needs to demand a trade to us ASAP... forget professionalism for a minute, both he and us need to win Super Bowls Edited April 14, 2020 by Sherlock Holmes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 4 hours ago, IgotBILLStopay said: This is not just about what the player is worth as a RB. He is a pretty decent WR too. And, he is not just being paid for his worth on the field. McCaffrey is the face of the franchise going forward (even more than the QB) - and is being paid accordingly. Actually, a very very smart play by Carolina. Until he suffers an injury or has a "down year". Either of which is a real possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted April 14, 2020 Author Share Posted April 14, 2020 28 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: Until he suffers an injury or has a "down year". Either of which is a real possibility. or stays healthy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Yes I read that he wasn’t expected to show up without a new deal This has been the talk in Clt for weeks. He would have been an idiot to continue to play without a new deal. Unboldest take of them all: He will be Bridgewater’s favorite receiver and lead the Panthers in yards from scrimmage by a thousand yards minimum over the next closest Panther. Their O talent isn’t terrible but their D is. I’m seeing 4 wins for this team, tops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 49 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: Until he suffers an injury or has a "down year". Either of which is a real possibility. I mean it’s football and that can be said for every player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 Really happy for him! I watched so many of his games in what I guess was his junior year of college. He was the BEST all around player I’d ever seen...and I’m old. When he would break through a hole his legs were moving twice as fast as everyone else on the field! Incredible performances week after week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 (edited) McCaffrey is worth every damn penny, good for him! Edited April 14, 2020 by Freddie's Dead 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 Welp, I am going to go out on a limb. This particular limb states that McCaffrey will never achieve that kind of production again and in a couple years McCaffrey will seem grossly overpaid. Don't worry. I know this is a lonely limb to be sitting on and I know that people are glaring at me out here. I guess we'll just see what happens. 55 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I mean it’s football and that can be said for every player. Great point. That's true. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 3 hours ago, Chicken Boo said: Until he suffers an injury or has a "down year". Either of which is a real possibility. By that logic, no player should ever sign a 16 mill per year avg contract - how do you explain all these big contracts like Amari Cooper, DeForest Buckner, Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson etc.? Injuries and down years are factored into these contracts by the teams via the salary cap - how else do you explain the healthy bottomlines of the teams despite the large number of injuries suffered? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 8 hours ago, aristocrat said: he's only worth it if he produces close to 2000 all purpose yards yearly. if not it's a crazy waste of money Why? If you look at WRs that will make comparable money in 2020, CMC is much more valuable than all of them. I could use the only WR slated to make exactly $16 million(Sammy Watkins), but that seems a bit unfair, so I'll use the 3 guys who are going to be paid $16.2 million(Thielen, Cooks & Hopkins). Hopkins has averaged 1,230.4 total yards & 7.71 total TDs per year in his 7 year career. Cooks has averaged 1,001 total yards & 6 total TDs per year in his 6 year career. With Thielen I won't even count his 1st 2 years as they were really bad. Thielen has averaged 1,024 total yards & 6.25 total TDs per year in the last 4 years. But with CMC I'll include his very average 1st year. CMC has averaged 1,814.33 yards & 20.66 TDs per year in his 3 year career. He had over 600 more scrimmage yards than any other player in the league & was tied for 1st in total TDs. If you ask me, given his production, I think the Panthers got a really good deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritBill Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 11 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: He deserves it, best fantasy player ever I picked him as a rookie and as I play in a keeper league he's gone nowhere since and won't be going anywhere in the future. Bridgewater and McCaffrey are a nice 1-2 for the Panthers but they'll need them to be on fire as they'll need to score 30 points a game to hit up that dub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 how much is guaranteed ??....that will be the real length of the deal. i hate paying RB's big money....but this guy is worth it. a bird in the hand is worth three in the bush. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maryland-bills-fan Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 McCaffrey $16,0 million a year 1,387 yards rushing 1,005 yards receiving 1st round pick 8 rank at RB 1 Diggs $14.4 million a year ------------------------------- 1,130 yards receiving Yeldon $01.5 million a year 63 yards rushing 124 yards receiving 2nd round pick 36 rank at RB 96 Singeltary $00.97 million a year 775 yards rushing 194 yards receiving 3rd round pick 4 rank at RB 31 You get what you pay for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 He is an amazing RB, but no RB is worth $16 mil. / yr. It’s too much $ that will get taken away from other players. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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