bradin cooks vs stefon Digs

[C.Biscuit97]

59 minutes ago, dneveu said:

 

The Trades all had to do with money.  NO didn't want to pay the 5th year option so they traded him before they had to choose.  NE picked it up.  NE didn't want to pay him what he wanted on an extension.  So they traded him.  It's not like he wasn't good and thats why he was traded.  

 

However 4 years of brees and brady do make for some nice numbers no?  

For sure. It’s also telling that good teams keep acquiring him too.  It’s not like Raiders trading for Randy Moss.  Cooks was also great in college.  We healthy, he’s a good nfl player.  I don’t know why saying Cooks is super talented but is struggling with injuries is a hot take.   

2 minutes ago, CSBill said:

Why has the thread gone four pages?

Because everyone is trapped in their houses and I’m awful at working from home. 

28 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Cuz they are stupid?

I mean they got nice value for him.  And he was a bigger problem for them than Bills fans want to admit.  Hopefully, the “process” stuff is really legit. Because if you aren’t a Bills fan, the Vikings are a slightly better situation.  Of course, Cousins’ dork factor is super high and I can’t discount that. 

[Da webster guy]

3 hours ago, dbfla10 said:

"BY FAR" is a stretch. Look at their stats, they are nearly identical... I agree I like Diggs better, but the Bills definitely over paid.

 

Everyone pays a lot to get established top receivers in their prime on relatively friendly contracts.

 

And in order to overpay you have to know what we gave up, which was college draft picks not established players.   In order to do that you'd have to see our board and who we would have taken, then wait a few years and see how they panned out.   There are a lot of 1st round WR busts in this league, we got a proven, game-changing guy who is guaranteed not to bust.

Here's a wild stat that might make you feel better about Diggsy:  more than HALF of the WR's taken in the first round are out of the league in 5 years.  One breakdown looked at four years of consecutive drafts and an amazing 9 out of 15 First Round WR's were out of football going into what would be their 6th training camp.  (also 10 out of 20 DE's which is crazy too)

 

As for giving up 5th and 6th picks in that deal, you know the chances of them being game changers is slim.   Beaner sees the window before Josh needs to get a new contract and he's sticking to the plan of adding proven players for a run this year.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Alphadawg7]

There is literally no way anyone can watch this breakdown of Diggs and say Cooks is "similar", "comparable", "essentially the same", etc.  Diggs is substantially better than Cooks, and I like Cooks as he is from my hometown.  

 

 

[C.Biscuit97]

2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

There is literally no way anyone can watch this breakdown of Diggs and say Cooks is "similar", "comparable", "essentially the same", etc.  Diggs is substantially better than Cooks, and I like Cooks as he is from my hometown.  

 

 

Now do a Cooks one.  Diggs is really good.  Cooks was really good before he got hurt.  These things don’t have to be mutually exclusive.  

[Kirby Jackson]

3 hours ago, dbfla10 said:

"BY FAR" is a stretch. Look at their stats, they are nearly identical... I agree I like Diggs better, but the Bills definitely over paid.

It’s is by far, stop looking at stats. Start looking at skill sets, how they were used, and career to date. Cooks is a talented guy with a zillion concussions. He’s on a new team every two years for a reason. Diggs is an elite route runner, elite in contested ball chances, very good after the catch and can stretch the field. He’s also durable. If you asked 32 NFL GMs all 32 would take Diggs. That’s where the “by far” comes into play. This isn’t a “Allen/Darnold” situation where some people like one vs. the other. This is unanimous 32-0.

[C.Biscuit97]

1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:

It’s is by far, stop looking at stats. Start looking at skill sets, how they were used, and career to date. Cooks is a talented guy with a zillion concussions. He’s on a new team every two years for a reason. Diggs is an elite route runner, elite in contested ball chances, very good after the catch and can stretch the field. He’s also durable. If you asked 32 NFL GMs all 32 would take Diggs. That’s where the “by far” comes into play. This isn’t a “Allen/Darnold” situation where some people like one vs. the other. This is unanimous 32-0.

I think without the concussions Cooks for a 2nd and Diggs for a 1st is a lot close than you think.  But who knows?  We got the healthier young player.  Hopefully, this becomes a good offense. 

[ngbills]

Diggs has missed games nearly every season. Cooks has missed less though concussions are a concern. Cooks has played in a pass happy offense. Diggs has played in a run heavy offense primarily. Cooks athletic measurables are better. Diggs route running is better. Cooks stats are better. 

 

If you swap the players I still believe Bills fans would be making the argument Cooks is better. So I dont think its as simple as obviously Diggs is by far the better player. 

Diggs and a second round pick

Cooks and a 1st round pick

I think if you polled GM's it would be not be 32-0 in either direct. I think it would be closer to 50/50. 

 

 

[billsfan89]

Both are on big contracts both are the same age. However Cooks is coming off of an injury prone season and has a history with concussions, I get that we paid more for Diggs but being healthy is a premium that you have to pay for. 

[Mat68]

Having Brown really limits the need for Cooks.  Brown is very similar player.  This past season Brown was also the more productive player.  Diggs is an all around wr.  Buffalo has niche guys but none have the versitility of Diggs.

[Augie]

1 hour ago, MJS said:

Cooks has played one more year and has about 1,000 more yards and 4 more TD's than Diggs. I think the big difference, though, is the QB's throwing to them.

 

 Stats, in this instance, don't tell the whole story. Diggs, for instance, is a beast at contested catches. Not sure how Cooks ranks in that category, but Diggs is one of the best, if not THE best, in the league in that category.

 

One very important stat to me is 5/6.

 

That is FIVE concussions in SIX seasons for Cooks. Concussions scare me!  I think more of Diggs as a WR, and Cooks should be in the scratch and dent part of the store. 

[Kirby Jackson]

1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I think without the concussions Cooks for a 2nd and Diggs for a 1st is a lot close than you think.  But who knows?  We got the healthier young player.  Hopefully, this becomes a good offense. 

I agree with that. At this point though, Cooks isn’t worth a 2nd and Diggs is worth the equivalent of pick 18. Cooks was a nice player when he came  into the league here. Always found it odd that teams were so okay moving on from him (and good franchises too).  Both New Orleans and New England were comfortable. That says a lot to me. It’s says even more that the genius, Bill O’Brien wanted him lol.

[BeastMaster]

3 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

 

I don't know, man. This is a weird crusade. No one in the NFL thinks Diggs and Cooks are the same talent level. Cooks is somewhere in between Brown and Diggs. Good player. Not a #1 like Diggs is.

I'd honestly rather have Brown than Cooks at this point considering the money and injury conerns.

[purple haze]

5 hours ago, dbfla10 said:

statistically these two are very similar. Who has the more value... Bills gave up a lot for diggs, Texans only a second rounder for cooks. I like Diggs better as a player, but knowing a 2nd rounder would've got Cooks, i'd rather the 2nd for Cooks and see what the 1st rounder would land the Bills.

Nah.  And Cooks has concussion concerns too.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Very different WR's. I'de compare John Brown and Cooks more. Diggs is more complete WR. His route running is top notch. Plus his contested catch rate is also tops. 

 

One thing that wouldn't surprise me though is if Brandin Cooks has a better statistical season, at least per game.

Edited April 10, 2020 by Buffalo_Stampede

[wppete]

5 hours ago, dbfla10 said:

statistically these two are very similar. Who has the more value... Bills gave up a lot for diggs, Texans only a second rounder for cooks. I like Diggs better as a player, but knowing a 2nd rounder would've got Cooks, i'd rather the 2nd for Cooks and see what the 1st rounder would land the Bills.

 

Complete nonesense. 

[BullBuchanan]

They're very similar players with very similar production. I love Diggs the player, but I feel like his trade value should have been a lot closer to that of Cooks. They've been trying to move him for a while now, and Beane paid the maximum. I wonder where Minnesota started the negotiation if we ended up having to pay as much as we did.

[NewEra]

I don’t like you now.  I’m sorry, but it’s true

[Buffalo_Stampede]

2 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

They're very similar players with very similar production. I love Diggs the player, but I feel like his trade value should have been a lot closer to that of Cooks. They've been trying to move him for a while now, and Beane paid the maximum. I wonder where Minnesota started the negotiation if we ended up having to pay as much as we did.

They aren't similar. Even if they were there's injury history.

[BullBuchanan]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

They aren't similar. Even if they were there's injury history.

 

They're both smaller speed burners. Diggs has height, but he doesn't weigh much. Digss has also never played a full season, so not sure about the whole injury comparison.

[John from Riverside]

2 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

For sure. It’s also telling that good teams keep acquiring him too.  It’s not like Raiders trading for Randy Moss.  Cooks was also great in college.  We healthy, he’s a good nfl player.  I don’t know why saying Cooks is super talented but is struggling with injuries is a hot take.   

Because everyone is trapped in their houses and I’m awful at working from home. 

I mean they got nice value for him.  And he was a bigger problem for them than Bills fans want to admit.  Hopefully, the “process” stuff is really legit. Because if you aren’t a Bills fan, the Vikings are a slightly better situation.  Of course, Cousins’ dork factor is super high and I can’t discount that. 

I just dont understand that when we dont clear squash another team on a deal then it ends up being a bad deal for us.

 

Beane made it pretty clear that they were looking to trade up into the top 3 WR's of this draft (and NOTHING is a sure thing) to me they gave up either on par or a little less then they would have given had they done that to get a proven veteran young top WR on a cost controlled contract.

 

What exactly is wrong with this?  Because another team got a better deal on another player?  So What?

[Buffalo_Stampede]

4 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

 

They're both smaller speed burners. Diggs has height, but he doesn't weigh much. Digss has also never played a full season, so not sure about the whole injury comparison.

So you're saying they're similar in size and speed? They're completely different types of WR's though. Diggs is a a precise route runner who also happens to be one of the best in traffic despite being 6'0 tall.  

[ngbills]

2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

When either Diggs or Thielen was not playing...

 

Diggs excelled.  Thielien wasn't as productive. 

 

For me, Diggs is more talented and the better player with Theilens production being helped a lot by Diggs drawing the better coverage.  This year, I would bet money that Diggs out produces Thielen assuming they play the same amount of games.  Dont get me wrong, I like Thielen a lot but he just isn't as good as Diggs in most key areas.  Diggs is a better route runner, has faster feet, better deep threat, and better at contested catches.  

 

Lets see about this:

 

In 2019 Thielen missed week 8-14. Diggs was putting up big number weeks 4-7. He had a few good games while Thielen was out but also 3 games with under 50 yards. So no Diggs was not better when Thielen was out. Thielen did not play a game with Diggs out in 2019.

 

In 2018 Thielen missed no games. Diggs missed one game. Thielen caught 4 for 22 and 1 TD. Nothing special in a 24-9 win in which Vikes threw 22 times. 

 

In 2017 Thielen missed no games. Diggs missed weeks 6 and 7. Thielen caught 9 for 96 and 5 for 41. Not a huge drop off. 

 

In 2016 Thielen missed no games. DIggs missed week 5, 12 and 17. Thielen caught 7 for 127 and 8 for 53. No drop off. Week 17 was 38-10 blow in final game. 

 

So there you have it. No proof of Diggs excelling. Partly because Thielen never missed action. Thielen performed as good with or without Diggs. 

 

[Cal]

It's easy to look back now. Beane did the right thing and got Diggs...but i would of rather had Cooks for a 2nd, but that may have not been on the table when Beane was working the trade. Diggs is slightly better

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 minute ago, Cal said:

It's easy to look back now. Beane did the right thing and got Diggs...but i would of rather had Cooks for a 2nd, but that may have not been on the table when Beane was working the trade. Diggs is slightly better

Im sure Cooks for a 2nd was on the table all off season.

[JoPoy88]

44 minutes ago, Cal said:

It's easy to look back now. Beane did the right thing and got Diggs...but i would of rather had Cooks for a 2nd, but that may have not been on the table when Beane was working the trade. Diggs is slightly better

Even with his recent concussion issues? You’d rather have cooks. Huh. “Slightly better.” So, so uninformed it’s hilarious.

[NoSaint]

Ultimately, I’d say Hopkins was the deal I’d preferred and either of Diggs/cooks would make me happy (without having looked at cooks current contract)

 

diggs and our 2 compared to cooks and a 1st both make our roster much better 

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, ngbills said:

 

Lets see about this:

 

In 2019 Thielen missed week 8-14. Diggs was putting up big number weeks 4-7. He had a few good games while Thielen was out but also 3 games with under 50 yards. So no Diggs was not better when Thielen was out. Thielen did not play a game with Diggs out in 2019.

 

In 2018 Thielen missed no games. Diggs missed one game. Thielen caught 4 for 22 and 1 TD. Nothing special in a 24-9 win in which Vikes threw 22 times. 

 

In 2017 Thielen missed no games. Diggs missed weeks 6 and 7. Thielen caught 9 for 96 and 5 for 41. Not a huge drop off. 

 

In 2016 Thielen missed no games. DIggs missed week 5, 12 and 17. Thielen caught 7 for 127 and 8 for 53. No drop off. Week 17 was 38-10 blow in final game. 

 

So there you have it. No proof of Diggs excelling. Partly because Thielen never missed action. Thielen performed as good with or without Diggs. 

 

 

If you average out Diggs numbers without Theilen over a year then yardage wise it would be his best ever season. 

 

If you average out Theilen's numbers without Diggs over a full season it would be his worst 16 game output since 2016. 

 

But people should stop debating numbers. Pull up some all22 from Vikings games the past 3 years and pay attention to who more often than not DCs are trying to take away with double coverage. 

 

[umangatan]

A TOP YOUNG receiver in the league for half the cost per year and a first.............yes please!

[Don Otreply]

11 hours ago, BuffaloBillies said:

 

Stats from 2018/19 combined (what have you done for me lately)

 

Cooks: 122 Rec, 1,787 yrds, 7 TDs

Diggs:  165 Rec, 2,151 yrds, 15 TDs

 

Diff: 43 more catches, ~400 more yards, 8 more TDs

 

Not nearly identical. Actually, quite different.

 

Drops mic ? 

[34-78-83]

This is straight silliness. Cooks is a quick and stretch the field complimentary wr type who runs basically 2 or 3 types of routes. With him you are paying for his speed. Diggs is a complete and polished, stronger all-around primary wr type who runs the whole route tree and is a threat anywhere on the field. All you gotta do is watch both play. It’s simple. Doesn’t take a coach’s eye either.

[Cal]

4 hours ago, JoPoy88 said:

Even with his recent concussion issues? You’d rather have cooks. Huh. “Slightly better.” So, so uninformed it’s hilarious.

 

How is that not true? Look at the stats. I said Diggs is better but I'd rather have our 1st and Cooks 

[Augie]

Is it time to ask if the OP gets extra humor credit for getting NEITHER of the players names correct in the thread title?  

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, umang_a_desai said:

A TOP YOUNG receiver in the league for half the cost per year and a first.............yes please!

Such a simpleton take

[MAJBobby]

Guess the OP didn’t like the comments he got here. So he took the same concept to Bills Mafia Facebook page and is getting the same responses as he did here. ???????

[1ManRaid]

1 hour ago, MAJBobby said:

Guess the OP didn’t like the comments he got here. So he took the same concept to Bills Mafia Facebook page and is getting the same responses as he did here. ???????

Oh please share.

 

*edit*

There's like 101 Facebook groups named Bills Mafia so you'll have to be more specific.

Edited April 11, 2020 by 1ManRaid

[umangatan]

On 4/10/2020 at 11:48 PM, John from Riverside said:

Such a simpleton take

Let's see...sustainable cap room with the contract and all the extensions we have coming up. A sure thing for a first and some late round picks vs a crapshoot in the draft or a receiver who in all likelyhood didnt want to be here and is vastly outperformed to the tune of 43 more catches, 400 more yards, 8 more TDs over the last 2 years by Diggs? Seems pretty simple to me...Or maybe I should have made it simpler for you?

[BillsFan2313]

On 4/10/2020 at 10:34 AM, dbfla10 said:

"BY FAR" is a stretch. Look at their stats, they are nearly identical... I agree I like Diggs better, but the Bills definitely over paid.

 

Brandin Cooks QBs:

Drew Brees

Tom Brady

Jared Goff

Now DeShaun Watson

 

Stefon Diggs QBs:

Teddy Bridgewater

Case Keenum

Kirk Cousins

Now Josh Allen

 

You don't think if Diggs played with Brees and Brady, and one of the greatest offenses of all time with the Rams, his numbers wouldn't be better than Cooks?

 

Why does he keep being traded?

 

[Orlando Tim]

The short version is Cooks is a great second reciever and therefore is worth a second, Diggs is a legit #1 and therefore cost a first. The fact Diggs is under a reasonable contract for 4 years is likely why we had to throw in the extra picks.

[John from Riverside]

3 hours ago, umang_a_desai said:

Let's see...sustainable cap room with the contract and all the extensions we have coming up. A sure thing for a first and some late round picks vs a crapshoot in the draft or a receiver who in all likelyhood didnt want to be here and is vastly outperformed to the tune of 43 more catches, 400 more yards, 8 more TDs over the last 2 years by Diggs? Seems pretty simple to me...Or maybe I should have made it simpler for you?

You know....I think I missread your post now that I look at it.....I thought you were wanting concussion prone Cooks....I apologize

[ColoradoBills]

On 4/10/2020 at 2:30 PM, BullBuchanan said:

They're very similar players with very similar production. I love Diggs the player, but I feel like his trade value should have been a lot closer to that of Cooks. They've been trying to move him for a while now, and Beane paid the maximum. I wonder where Minnesota started the negotiation if we ended up having to pay as much as we did.

 

First the OP's insinuation that Diggs and Cooks are essentially the same WR in the 2020 off season is not even worth commenting on.

I would about guarantee any GM would rather have Diggs.

 

What the Vikings wanted for Diggs will probably never be known but I would imagine they wanted a mid round 1st for him which seems fair.

I'm sure Beane threw in the added picks to align his #22 pick with that probable fact.

 

This years 5th round pick and the 6th for 7th swap probably wouldn't have got him to pick #20.  I hope any Bills fan would not have Beane nix the trade

over that!  That extra 5th and the swap would maybe at best net him 1 depth player.

 

If there was any "over payment" for Diggs it would only have to be discussed as to the 2021 4th.  Personally it would of been great if instead

of the 4th it was a 6th or 5th (which was my initial reaction).  I will wait to see if Beane will get that pick back somehow before

next years draft.  In fact I'm counting on it.  Once again I would not kill the trade over that.

 

That being said even using next years 4th as a bottom of the 4th value the whole trade worked out to a 1st round pick #18-19.

So in this mental exercise the Las Vegas Raiders could of had Diggs for their 1st alone.