Jalen Ramsey tells Tre White on IG that he should leave Buffalo

[formerlyofCtown]

2 hours ago, section122 said:

Of all the homegrown talent that the Bills want to re-sign Tre makes me the most nervous that he actually will.  It seems like he likes it here but stuff like this has to be in the back of his mind.  Gilmore stated it as a big reason why he left Buffalo and unfortunately he was right.  He was a good player here but left and now is considered one of the best so much that he (undeservedly) got defensive poty.  Add in the fact that McDermott is a db guru and can get success from unlikely places and I am nervous he won't be back.  Josh Norman in Carolina keeps coming up in my head.

 

This also goes to show that with players, Buffalo's reputation has not recovered yet.  Ramsey was right that team success needs to come first but that is true for any perennial bottom dweller which the Bills were for most of the last 20 years.  Hoping Tre stays but unfortunately won't be shocked if he doesn't.

The current trend is actually many players having a desire to move away from big market teams.

Mainly due to the media.

Edited April 9, 2020 by formerlyofCtown

[BeastMaster]

If Tre White decides he needs to go somewhere else (I don't believe this FTR), then he doesn't buy I'm here and fit the culture, so I would shop him in that case.

 

Not that I want that, but if he really wanted to go somewhere else and further his career, I would understand. 

[Buffalo716]

2 hours ago, section122 said:

 

Difference is Ramsey came in as a very high draft prospect and so he got a ton of hype.  He also was supposed to go to Dallas so there was more hype.  Then he came in and Sacksonville happened so he got more hype.

 

Tre made 1st team all pro but PFF still disses him.  He is starting to get recognition but I don't think it is wrong to say if Tre played in Dallas he would already be a household name.  Bills need more primetime games to become more well known.  Playing at 1pm with all of the other teams and their is a lot of other noise.  Play Sunday, Monday, or Thursday and be the only game in town.  People will talk.  That Thanksgiving game was huge for the Bills and their players getting recognition.  They were supposed to be the Cowboys sacrificail lamb to get things going in the right direction and for a long time the Bills would have done exactly that.  Instead they went in and thoroughly dominated the Cowboys.  Then recognition started coming.  If they win the division this year more will come and the tired Buffalo narrative can be put to bed!

First who gives a flying **** about PFF...

 

And If you are an actual fan of football you know Tre Whites name. He just was an all pro

[dave mcbride]

2 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

Ramsey went from Jacksonville to LA.  I can’t think of a bigger jump in marketability and city.  Even Green Bay gets exposure even though the city itself is minuscule.  But the smaller cities do offer a lot of upside for many players.  They’re affordable and provide a good atmosphere for families.  That might not mean a lot to a top tier player who is single and signed to a huge contract, but it means a lot to mid tier (and lower) players with families.  Places like Buffalo, Cleveland and Pittsburgh can look mighty appealing compared to SF, LA and New Jersey.  Add in winning and a team can be in pretty good shape. 

It would be highly ironic if Ramsey's star declines in LA because the team struggles, and we'll all look back at his Jax years as his "star" years. It is actually a plausible scenario.

[Hampton Josh fan]

Jalen Ramsey, who is a me first, hot dog, losing player, should not be advising an all-pro, team first guy, like Tre. Ramsey is a cancer and will try and destroy any team he plays for if he does not get star treatment. Why do you think the Jags gave up on him.Talent is great, but if you don't prioritize the team and winning ,you are a net loss as a player. 

[dave mcbride]

27 minutes ago, K-9 said:

All the evidence you need to realize Jalen Ramsey is a loser completely lacking in “football” character. Selfish as they come. Clueless.

He is a straight-up jackass. I will root for him to fail.

1 hour ago, Dopey said:

Jalen isn't wrong here. Like it or not, Tre would be a household name if he played for the Giants. Daniel Jones became "Danny Dimes" after a couple of good games. I think he even trade marked the name.

Edit: Jalen was right about getting noticed, not on getting paid. Tre will get paid here.

Would he be? Like, say, Eli Apple? The Giants are bad, and one CB wouldn't have made them good. Quick: name the last few cornerbacks who started for the Cowboys without looking it up.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

Or Tre could act like a jack ass like Ramsey and talk out both ends and the media would love Tre. Ramsey was a big name  on a nobody cares team like the Jaguars for exactly this reason. But I'm glad Tre doesn't talk our of both ends.

[Kirby Jackson]

3 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Really wish the Mario bashing would stop. It’s completely ridiculous. Dude was a real good player here for three of the four years he was here. 

Yeah, it doesn’t make any sense.

[K-9]

7 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

He is a straight-up jackass. I will root for him to fail.

Would he be? Like, say, Eli Apple? The Giants are bad, and one CB wouldn't have made them good. Quick: name the last few cornerbacks who started for the Cowboys without looking it up.

Great point. QBs in NYC are a completely different animal than cornerbacks in NYC as they are anywhere else for that matter. Any CB that rises to elite status is gonna get paid regardless of where he plays. 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[auburnbillsbacker]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

There is definitely truth to the fact that if Tre was with the Giants he would get way more recognition because of the New York market. 

 

But I do think it has started to come anyway.  

I think if he played in a bigger market he would have been defensive rookie of the year his first year and a pro bowler in year 2.  He's a known commodity now though.  

[Chandler#81]

2 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Honestly, how much more?  I think you can only get so famous as a nfl cb.  Like if Allen become an elite level qb, he will get plenty famous in Buffalo.  It’s just the nature of the position he plays. Deion Sanders is the only real famous corner I know.  And Tre is a good dude and funny but it’s not like he’s Kevin Hart (overrated but still). 

To this point, the national TV games we played in last season, (DAL,Balt,NE,Pitt&Balt2) the announcers all threw flowers at Tre. It helped that he was fantastic, but they already had an agenda of praise for him. I don’t care for the jags, but I loved that they fleeced LA to get rid of a serious problem!

[YoloinOhio]

 

[C.Biscuit97]

1 hour ago, Dopey said:

Jalen isn't wrong here. Like it or not, Tre would be a household name if he played for the Giants. Daniel Jones became "Danny Dimes" after a couple of good games. I think he even trade marked the name.

Edit: Jalen was right about getting noticed, not on getting paid. Tre will get paid here.

Josh Allen is ever bit as famous as Danny Jones, if not more.  Again, how famous can a cornerback get?  Should a right guard move to LA to increase their brand? 

[C.Biscuit97]

20 minutes ago, Hampton Josh fan said:

Jalen Ramsey, who is a me first, hot dog, losing player, should not be advising an all-pro, team first guy, like Tre. Ramsey is a cancer and will try and destroy any team he plays for if he does not get star treatment. Why do you think the Jags gave up on him.Talent is great, but if you don't prioritize the team and winning ,you are a net loss as a player. 

I mean he’s not close to as bad but couldn’t you say this about Diggs if you’re being fair?

[billsfan89]

I don't blame Ramsey for having his perception of a small market. In Ramsey's time in Jacksonville they were a very poorly run organization. Yes they were really good in 2017 but even in their greatest season they were a 10 win team and while they won 2 playoff games lets be honest they should have handled the Bills in round 1. 

 

Whereas the Bills have had 2 winning seasons in the years Tre was here including most recently a 10 win season (that easily could have been 11 wins and a tough playoff loss that could have gone either way) and they are in a much better long term situation than the Jags who were win now in 2017. I think as long as the Bills have a consistently competitive team guys like Tre will want to stay if the money is right. 

[C.Biscuit97]

48 minutes ago, K-9 said:

All the evidence you need to realize Jalen Ramsey is a loser completely lacking in “football” character. Selfish as they come. Clueless.

He’s a guy that would rather be famous than be great.  It’s the TO school, attended by Antonio Brown.  The funny thing is he’s just not that interesting.  

[BillsFan4]

Tre won’t need to leave buffalo to get paid. He’s most likely going to be one of the highest paid CB’s in the league if/when he signs a new deal here.

Edited April 9, 2020 by BillsFan4

[Kirby Jackson]

2 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said:

Tre don’t need to leave buffalo to get paid. He’s most likely going to be one of the highest paid CB’s in the league if/when he signs a new deal here.

He will almost certainly be the highest paid CB ever. He will reset the market. Somewhere in the neighborhood of $18M per year and $60M guaranteed.

[Greg S]

1 minute ago, BillsFan4 said:

Tre don’t need to leave buffalo to get paid. He’s most likely going to be one of the highest paid CB’s in the league if/when he signs a new deal here.

 

The Bills will pay him. Beane has said many times that he wants to build thru the draft and resign our own players. Tre is definitely one of the core players on the team. Also many players have said they love what Beane and McDermott are building here and they want to continue to  be a part of it. Team is on the upswing and playing in a football mad market like Buffalo makes it fun for everyone involved in the organization.

 

[Hampton Josh fan]

9 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I mean he’s not close to as bad but couldn’t you say this about Diggs if you’re being fair?

I can see how you might say that. The difference is Diggs was a great teammate until Cousins started phasing him out of the offense.His body language showed frustration.He was a good soldier with Keenum. Ramsey gets personal fouls in big spots if things do go his way, and bad mouths coaches and teammates. 

[GETTOTHE50]

Yo Ramsey, go rot in hell. 

[Bring it]

It should help Tre and other Bills players if we do in fact get more prime time games. Tre had that pick n the Steelers game that should have helped him and he played well against Dallas too! The Dallas game was a big one for Josh Allen! As far as fan recognition goes! 

They just have to keep winning and the rest will take care of itself! 

 

I wouldn’t listen to much of what Ramsey says and I think Tre is smart enough not to as well!!

[DrDawkinstein]

It was totally the Buffalo Media who got Bruce Smith a Nike contract, his own shoe, and a national ad campaign starring Dennis Hopper.

 

All Larry Felser. Nothing Bruce did on his own. ?

 

 

[Dopey]

1 hour ago, dave mcbride said:

 

Would he be? Like, say, Eli Apple? The Giants are bad, and one CB wouldn't have made them good. Quick: name the last few cornerbacks who started for the Cowboys without looking it up.

Yes, I think Tre would have more name recognition as a Giant than a Bill if he played like he did last year. I don't have any Cowboys names for you, cuz they aren't any good. Hell, we scored 26 point on them! Tre is damn good and would have made a name for himself in Dallas too. I could probably rattle off a few more teams where he would have more recognition than here. NE is just one example. We have a few people here who say Tre should be DPOTY over Gilmore. If these players switched teams last year and had the same season they just had, I think Tre wins DPOTY over Gilmore. Why? Because NE has more name recognition than Buffalo in the NFL and with NFL fans. But, back to my original post, Jalen isn't wrong in saying White would have more name recognition if he moved to a bigger market.

Edited April 9, 2020 by Dopey

[klos63]

4 hours ago, section122 said:

Of all the homegrown talent that the Bills want to re-sign Tre makes me the most nervous that he actually will.  It seems like he likes it here but stuff like this has to be in the back of his mind.  Gilmore stated it as a big reason why he left Buffalo and unfortunately he was right.  He was a good player here but left and now is considered one of the best so much that he (undeservedly) got defensive poty.  Add in the fact that McDermott is a db guru and can get success from unlikely places and I am nervous he won't be back.  Josh Norman in Carolina keeps coming up in my head.

 

This also goes to show that with players, Buffalo's reputation has not recovered yet.  Ramsey was right that team success needs to come first but that is true for any perennial bottom dweller which the Bills were for most of the last 20 years.  Hoping Tre stays but unfortunately won't be shocked if he doesn't.

I'm not worried about him leaving at all. I'm pretty confident Beane will offer Tre his market value. Tre seems like a great teammate on a top defense on a team that many will expect to be a legit contender the next couple years. He'll get money, recognition and hopefully a championship in Buffalo.

[Dopey]

57 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Josh Allen is ever bit as famous as Danny Jones, if not more.  Again, how famous can a cornerback get?  Should a right guard move to LA to increase their brand? 

Guess you weren't watching ESPN, FOX Sports, etc. when Jones had a really good game. He blew up on those sports shows. For 1 good game! So what nick name does Josh have that people are trying to trademark? Jalen is talking about a marquee player that would have more name recognition in a bigger market. If you're an all pro level RG and want more name recognition, yes, you move. As I mentioned to Dave McBride, you switch Tre for Gilmore and guess who wins DPLOY. Guess who is on ESPN and NFL Network more, Tre. Jalen is not wrong, like him or not.

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, dave mcbride said:

 

Would he be? Like, say, Eli Apple? The Giants are bad, and one CB wouldn't have made them good. Quick: name the last few cornerbacks who started for the Cowboys without looking it up.

 

I can answer this without looking it up but I am probably not a good test because I can probably name 80% of the starters for most of the teams in the league. Byron Jones and the guy @thebandit27 likes - african surname begins with A - started at corner for the Cowboys in 2019. Awuize? Spelling is my issue not recognition. 

 

I feel like Landon Collins had more name value in New York even on a bad team than Micah Hyde had here. That is where my comparison comes from. 

Edited April 9, 2020 by GunnerBill

[whatdrought]

I mean, Ramsey is a full-on richard. Is this news? If Tre is the kind to listen to a giant ####### like Ramsey, it's unlikely he would be here at all, let alone thriving in our team first culture. 

Edited April 9, 2020 by whatdrought

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, dave mcbride said:

He is a straight-up jackass. I will root for him to fail.

Would he be? Like, say, Eli Apple? The Giants are bad, and one CB wouldn't have made them good. Quick: name the last few cornerbacks who started for the Cowboys without looking it up.

Byron Jones. Who just got the most GTD money by a DB ever. This game is easy lol

[Jerome007]

It depends on the players. Some need the limelight, the club life, glamour and all that crap, and then, NY or LA or Miami is better, obviously. Tre doesn't sound like that. Recognition he'll get if he gets paid... and if the team WINS consistently. Then it's playoffs, SNF and MNF games, etc.

[FireChans]

6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I can answer this without looking it up but I am probably not a good test because I can probably name 80% of the starters for most of the teams in the league. Byron Jones and the guy @thebandit27 likes - african surname begins with A - started at corner for the Cowboys in 2019. Awuize? Spelling is my issue not recognition. 

 

I feel like Landon Collins had more name value in New York even on a bad team than Micah Hyde had here. That is where my comparison comes from. 

Jones just got a ton of money in FA. I think he’s overrated but I wonder how much playing in Dallas had to do with what he ended up getting, more to Jalen’s point.

[CardinalScotts]

The guys a moron, this is a team who last year after trading 2 first round picks for him proceed to give up 45-44- and 34 down the stretch in their run for the post season. Losing all three games in the process and missing the playoffs. Tre fits the defense here, he likes it here and doesn't hide it - They are young going to be good for a while he'll be well payed and well played. Ramsey just kind of an after thought on a team in cap hell in a tough division and not making the post season for quite a while. Enjoy not being a part of it Ramsey

 

[thebandit27]

10 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I can answer this without looking it up but I am probably not a good test because I can probably name 80% of the starters for most of the teams in the league. Byron Jones and the guy @thebandit27 likes - african surname begins with A - started at corner for the Cowboys in 2019. Awuize? Spelling is my issue not recognition. 

 

I feel like Landon Collins had more name value in New York even on a bad team than Micah Hyde had here. That is where my comparison comes from. 

Awuzie is right. The other corner that started games for them is Jordan ______ (can’t remember his last name at the moment)—kid from Colorado that got arrested for hitting his girlfriend with a pillow 

[GunnerBill]

6 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

Awuzie is right. The other corner that started games for them is Jordan ______ (can’t remember his last name at the moment)—kid from Colorado that got arrested for hitting his girlfriend with a pillow 

 

Lewis. And he spells Jordan strangely.... Jourdan?

[Royale with Cheese]

1 hour ago, Tesla03 said:

I hope jalen ramsey dies

 

honestly

 

biggest piece of ***** human being in the league 

 

[C.Biscuit97]

29 minutes ago, Dopey said:

Guess you weren't watching ESPN, FOX Sports, etc. when Jones had a really good game. He blew up on those sports shows. For 1 good game! So what nick name does Josh have that people are trying to trademark? Jalen is talking about a marquee player that would have more name recognition in a bigger market. If you're an all pro level RG and want more name recognition, yes, you move. As I mentioned to Dave McBride, you switch Tre for Gilmore and guess who wins DPLOY. Guess who is on ESPN and NFL Network more, Tre. Jalen is not wrong, like him or not.

Allen got talked about a ton, both good and bad, especially after the playoff game.  And Gilmore had 2 defensive tds while Tre didn’t have one.  Again, who’s more famous: Ramsey in LA or Rodgers in GB which is the size of AMHERST?

 

and without looking it up, who was the Giants RG during the SB years and name their endorsements?  You can’t because most people don’t care about RGs.  Just like a lot of people don’t care about corners.  Football players in general will never be as famous as basketball players because they wear helmets and there’s a lot more of them.  
 

the funny thing about Ramsey is he probably got more attention in Jacksonville.  He’s a nobody in LA.  Same thing with Tre.  It’s why Kelly and Thurman moved back to Buffalo.  They are just regular dudes in their 50s anywhere else.  They are Gods in WNY. 

19 minutes ago, Jerome007 said:

It depends on the players. Some need the limelight, the club life, glamour and all that crap, and then, NY or LA or Miami is better, obviously. Tre doesn't sound like that. Recognition he'll get if he gets paid... and if the team WINS consistently. Then it's playoffs, SNF and MNF games, etc.

And this doesn’t even happen or else Miami would be a powerhouse and get every FA.  

50 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

It was totally the Buffalo Media who got Bruce Smith a Nike contract, his own shoe, and a national ad campaign starring Dennis Hopper.

 

All Larry Felser. Nothing Bruce did on his own. ?

 

 

My favorite commercial as a kid.  And 26 Shirts has a great shirt from it. 

[MJS]

1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

How is this “throwing shade? “

It’s logic. The Bills sucked when he was here. NE was in the midst of a dynasty. Of course he is getting more recognition.... all of this reeks of insecurity from Bills fans/media.

He's saying bad things about his former team, which is pretty common. But I'd say that's the definition of "throwing shade". Fans can react in an insecure fashion of they want, but it is for sure "throwing shade".

If Tre White was to leave, I guarantee you that he wouldn't say anything bad about Buffalo. He would thank the fans and the organization and say he's excited about his new opportunities. Because he is a classy guy.

[Buffalophil1948]

In 2-4 years JR will be begging Beane for a prove it deal, ala Norman. Hope Beane hangs up on him.

[Not at the table Karlos]

5 hours ago, section122 said:

Of all the homegrown talent that the Bills want to re-sign Tre makes me the most nervous that he actually will.  It seems like he likes it here but stuff like this has to be in the back of his mind.  Gilmore stated it as a big reason why he left Buffalo and unfortunately he was right.  He was a good player here but left and now is considered one of the best so much that he (undeservedly) got defensive poty.  Add in the fact that McDermott is a db guru and can get success from unlikely places and I am nervous he won't be back.  Josh Norman in Carolina keeps coming up in my head.

 

This also goes to show that with players, Buffalo's reputation has not recovered yet.  Ramsey was right that team success needs to come first but that is true for any perennial bottom dweller which the Bills were for most of the last 20 years.  Hoping Tre stays but unfortunately won't be shocked if he doesn't.

My friend and I have the same feeling. Don’t know why but we both feel like he’s gonna leave or very hard to re-sign