Inigo Montoya Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 (edited) According to Sportrac, https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/ the Bills have $33,299,716 left in the kitty right now. That number does not include the contracts for Quinton Jefferson, Taiwan Jones, Dean Marlowe, or Tyler Matakevich. I have no idea how much their contracts will count against the cap. The Jefferson signing alone is reported to be a 2 year deal worth $13.5 MM. I have no idea how that breaks down into the cap, but I think it's probably safe to say that will bring the cap number down to at least $29MM. We need to have some money in the till to sign our draft picks. Last year people threw around the number $8 MM to get that done. This year we have no 1st rounder so maybe we can cut that number in half and say $4 mm for draft picks and that brings us down to $25 MM. Most GMs like to carry about $8-10 MM into the regular season to deal with injuries and other opportunities that arise. Not sure how much Beane likes to keep in his back pocket. We also have several players that we all anticipated that the team would tender new contracts to this off season like Dawkins and Milano that have not been resigned yet. I'm sure Beane would also like to carry some of this year's cap forward into next year (he carried $22 MM over in cap space from last year). Put it all together and it looks like we are sitting at $25MM right now and still some of our own young players to sign, we need an emergency fund for the season, and will probably want to carry some cap forward into next year. It looks to me that we are likely done in free agency this year. Any big signings would require that we dump some significant contracts to make space. I think Beane followed his successful free agency strategy from last year. Expend some capital and grab one big name free agent at our position of greatest need, Morse/Diggs, and then shop for mid range free agents who provide a good possibility of an upgrade at their positions. Edited March 22, 2020 by Inigo Montoya 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBilz2500 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 If you really want a player there’s always a way to get creative with cap space and sign him. Wouldn’t surprise me if try to add one more pass rusher either in trade or free agency 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 (edited) I fully expect them to either cut or restructure Murphy’s contract. The way the cap goes up around 10m every year that alone will pretty much pay for a Milano deal. Spend it all Edited March 22, 2020 by CaptnCoke11 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Inigo Montoya said: According to Sportrac, https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/ the Bills have $33,299,716 left in the kitty right now. That number does not include the contracts for Quinton Jefferson, Taiwan Jones, Dean Marlowe, or Tyler Matakevich. I have no idea how much their contracts will count against the cap. The Jefferson signing alone is reported to be a 2 year deal worth $13.5 MM. I have no idea how that breaks down into the cap, but I think it's probably safe to say that will bring the cap number down to about $29MM. We need to have some money in the till to sign our draft picks. Last year people threw around the number $8 MM to get that done. This year we have no 1st rounder so maybe we can cut that number in half and say $4 mm for draft picks and that brings us down to $25 MM. Most GMs like to carry about $8-10 MM into the regular season to deal with injuries and other opportunities that arise. Not sure how much Beane likes to keep in his back pocket. We also have several players that we all anticipated that the team would tender new contracts to this off season like Dawkins and Milano that have not been resigned yet. I'm sure Beane would also like to carry some of this year's cap forward into next year (he carried $22 MM over in cap space from last year). Put it all together and it looks like we are sitting at $25MM right now and still some of our own young players to sign, we need an emergency fund for the season, and will probably want to carry some cap forward into next year. It looks to me that we are likely done in free agency this year. Any big signings would require that we dump some significant contracts to make space. I think Beane followed his successful free agency pattern from last year. Expend some capital and grab one big name free agent at our position of greatest need, Morse/Diggs, and then shop for mid range free agents who provide the possibility of an upgrade at their positions. can easily release / restructure Murphy if Beane wishes to break the bank for Ngakoue or Clowney. our cap situation is pretty solid. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 At this point we are going all-in on this season and next season. We won't be doing much in free agency next season, rather focusing on extending our guys like Milano and Dawkins. No need to carry a ton of cap and I'm not worried about these guys finding a way to work things out. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 Looking at the numbers for the contracts that are in.... looks like AJ Klein is here for 2 years, Addison there is some benefit to cutting after 1 if he is not productive (he will be 34 by the time the 2021 season commences) but there would be $4m in dead cap left behind. Vernon Butler's is a 1 year deal masquerading as a two year deal. Unless he balls out he is gone after this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Man Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 People moan if they create space and don't spend, people moan if they use. They can't win 15 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGun12TD Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 You ever head of BEANE? How about “The Process”? No? Well you need to know that Beane ‘s got it under control and you need to trust “The Process”. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Y. Orangeman Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 We are in good shape with what we need to do in the coming years. To an earlier point, next year will be the year of the roster bonus in advance of Josh's LT deal. Unless you are the Cowboys or Rams and don't understand the cap, continuity has never been easier in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 (edited) 16 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said: I think Beane followed his successful free agency strategy from last year. Expend some capital and grab one big name free agent at our position of greatest need, Morse/Diggs, and then shop for mid range free agents who provide a good possibility of an upgrade at their positions. Yuuup! And I think that has been a very wise and successful approach. I think they still add a "mid range" RB and O-lineman, and a few fillers. The rest of the money will be draftees and reworked contracts Edited March 22, 2020 by CSBill 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideRightRevenge Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 Don't worry whatsoever about our "Beane Counter" as it relates to Cap Management .. especially as we had ZERO cap a few years ago ... now we actually have one to manage. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 Spotrac has the estimates for the draft picks, Andy currently the top 51 salary cut off is $675k, which means the draft picks will raise the cap by about $300k. Essentially, no impact. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 Thread title sounds like a line from ’Life in Wartime’. *This ain’t no foolin’ around 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardhatharry Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 (edited) A little tip from someone who knows.... Don't worry about the Cap. No first round draft pick which takes up all that money. Edited March 22, 2020 by Hardhatharry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 6 hours ago, Mountain Man said: People moan if they create space and don't spend, people moan if they use. They can't win You're the first in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Digg? Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 So I’m confused, do the Bills have enough money to get every top free agent or do they have no money at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 8 hours ago, CaptnCoke11 said: I fully expect them to either cut or restructure Murphy’s contract. The way the cap goes up around 10m every year that alone will pretty much pay for a Milano deal. Spend it all Not to mention we have structured a ton of contracts to have little cap hit to cut them next year. Murphy will play for 5 million or be gone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardhatharry Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said: So I’m confused, do the Bills have enough money to get every top free agent or do they have no money at all? The answer is to stop worrying about it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 11 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Thread title sounds like a line from ’Life in Wartime’. *This ain’t no foolin’ around Stop making sense 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 5 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said: So I’m confused, do the Bills have enough money to get every top free agent or do they have no money at all? They’re fine as of now. People worry about the wrong things with the cap - using it, not using it, blah, blah, blah. Just look to see if they’re using it wisely because cap space only does a team good if it’s used well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobDVA Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 Yeah, all this is fine and well, how does it effect our comp pick? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DFT Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 (edited) I don’t think they’re done and their silence (and cap room) isn’t indicative of that at all. Edited March 22, 2020 by DFT 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 Don't forget the Bills don't have a 1st Round Pick anymore, so they don't need $8-10 million for rookies. Also, if they see a player they really want, they could make a cut somewhere (Trent Murphy is a popular cut choice). I agree that we need to be smart and careful, because there are players with expiring contracts coming up in future years. But we don't HAVE TO sign these guys to extensions right now. Tre White will have his 5th Year Option activated, putting him under contract for 2021 as well. Nothing stopping us from letting Dion Dawkins and Matt Milano play out their rookie contracts, and then extending them in the offseason. It may cost more in the long-run, but it may be a strategy to help add other players this season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 6 hours ago, Mountain Man said: People moan if they create space and don't spend, people moan if they use. They can't win Welcome to a Bills Fans world where no one is ever happy with what they do just saying ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 I hope they just focus on the draft now and use cap dollars on extensions. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 (edited) 10 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said: Put it all together and it looks like we are sitting at $25MM right now and still some of our own young players to sign, we need an emergency fund for the season, and will probably want to carry some cap forward into next year. It looks to me that we are likely done in free agency this year. Any big signings would require that we dump some significant contracts to make space. I think Beane followed his successful free agency strategy from last year. Expend some capital and grab one big name free agent at our position of greatest need, Morse/Diggs, and then shop for mid range free agents who provide a good possibility of an upgrade at their positions. The Bills still need to add a few more pieces either through FA or through the draft. This draft is unlikely to yield as many rookie contributors as previous years simply because the team is better, doesn't have a first round pick, and is drafting later in each round. Moreover, the Bills are getting to the point that the modest type FAs they signed last season would be mostly only backups or STers going forward. They still need to upgrade some starting positions. Passing on a quality FA like a younger, better edge rusher than they currently have (think Clowney) or a starting caliber RB to run with Singletary (think Hyde) simply because Beane wants to keep a large "emergency fund" or have $$$ to roll forward into next year isn't wise, and it's unlikely to result in long term team success. It's nice to have general parameters for what to spend or what to look for but a team also has to be able to jump at opportunities. Sometimes rare opportunities arise -- like TB12 becoming a FA -- and a team has to be prepared to seize it. There are no prizes for having the most cap space at the end of the season, only trophies for winning the most important games ... and the Bills still aren't there yet. Edited March 22, 2020 by SoTier 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dma0034 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 I also see the cap going up next year by a decent amount. 17 games and a little extra revenue going towards players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBD Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 The $33M estimate from spotrac includes $5M for draft class 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert James Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 11 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said: According to Sportrac, https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/ the Bills have $33,299,716 left in the kitty right now. That number does not include the contracts for Quinton Jefferson, Taiwan Jones, Dean Marlowe, or Tyler Matakevich. I have no idea how much their contracts will count against the cap. The Jefferson signing alone is reported to be a 2 year deal worth $13.5 MM. I have no idea how that breaks down into the cap, but I think it's probably safe to say that will bring the cap number down to at least $29MM. We need to have some money in the till to sign our draft picks. Last year people threw around the number $8 MM to get that done. This year we have no 1st rounder so maybe we can cut that number in half and say $4 mm for draft picks and that brings us down to $25 MM. Most GMs like to carry about $8-10 MM into the regular season to deal with injuries and other opportunities that arise. Not sure how much Beane likes to keep in his back pocket. We also have several players that we all anticipated that the team would tender new contracts to this off season like Dawkins and Milano that have not been resigned yet. I'm sure Beane would also like to carry some of this year's cap forward into next year (he carried $22 MM over in cap space from last year). Put it all together and it looks like we are sitting at $25MM right now and still some of our own young players to sign, we need an emergency fund for the season, and will probably want to carry some cap forward into next year. It looks to me that we are likely done in free agency this year. Any big signings would require that we dump some significant contracts to make space. I think Beane followed his successful free agency strategy from last year. Expend some capital and grab one big name free agent at our position of greatest need, Morse/Diggs, and then shop for mid range free agents who provide a good possibility of an upgrade at their positions. Thanks for the thoughtful breakdown -- more than we usually get from mainstream reporting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 Would you like to win now or would you prefer to watch other teams compete for a championship while you read about how much cap space we have? 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 White needs a new contract which is going to be large $$$. I think the Bills should just get this done now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 I no worry....I expect Beane knows what he is doing. So far the ship seems like it is righting and it ain't doing it by itself. As long as Diggs works out and doesn't become a cancer I would say the Beane man is ripping it up...... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 3 hours ago, BobDVA said: Yeah, all this is fine and well, how does it effect our comp pick? *affect* 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobDVA Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 15 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: *affect* effect, cause I like movies! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmalibu Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 And if we did not have a QB on a rookie deal we would be about broke.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Direhard Fan Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 And don't forget the cap will go up next year. Beane knows! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 I'm less concerned about how we handle cap space than I am about how short this season might be, if we even have one. That concern aside, Beane knows what he's doing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsCuse Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 A lot of the contracts from this year and last year were smartly structured, shorter term deals and easy to get out of. I'm not worried about cap at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 5 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Thread title sounds like a line from ’Life in Wartime’. *This ain’t no foolin’ around This aint no Muddclub , no CBGB's I aint got time for that now ! 5 hours ago, BobDVA said: Yeah, all this is fine and well, how does it effect our comp pick? exactly ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 20 minutes ago, BillsCuse said: A lot of the contracts from this year and last year were smartly structured, shorter term deals and easy to get out of. I'm not worried about cap at all Our OP did nice job . None of us should be worried. Ralph is no longer cheap : ) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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