JerseyBills Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 15 hours ago, njbuff said: I think Star snaps are going to go way down and Murphy is maddeningly inconsistent. I guess I still am in the minority with Star and Murphy. I feel both are solid , not game changers but good at what they do and fit the culture. I don't think either will be here next year and this year can groom the young guys on the DL, Johnson , Epenesa , Oliver , Dirty Harry. Having great depth and cap room , we have the LUXURY of keeping two solid vets , that again, aren't going to make the flashy plays , but will do their job , their 1/11th and fill their role. I think we massively upgraded the DL overall. Addison, QJeff and Butler >>>> Shaq/J Phillips. Also throw in Epenesa , a 1st Rd talent at DE, Johnson who should take a jump in year 2 and this is a super deep and talented DL and upgraded nicely imo. . Murphy has been a bit inconsistent but finished the last 7-8 games playing pretty good football. I just don't think Clowney fits the culture and isn't necessary for this roster. We're set on the DL! I'm happy with the super productive, reliable and guy familiar with the scheme/HC in Addison. He's going to really surprise ppl with how good he is. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 58 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: It's this type of emotional scarring that pushes kids into preferring Ranch with their wings. Did I mention that I also had shoulder pads on? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 4 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: Let me tell you a story. When I was 11 years old, somehow both myself and parents got Halloween's date wrong. We got to dress up for Halloween day....this year I was a week early. So the entire day, I was dressed up in a Jim Kelly Bills uniform with a helmet while everyone else was dressed normally. I was living in Minnesota. I kinda got made fun of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 17 hours ago, njbuff said: And Darryl Johnson is stil in the picture at DE, along with Mike Love. I recall seeing this. Doesn't exactly give me the warm fuzzies. These two are depth; not sure why McD thinks he's going to work wonders with them as he hasn't shown the ability to do so with the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 19 minutes ago, Happy said: I recall seeing this. Doesn't exactly give me the warm fuzzies. These two are depth; not sure why McD thinks he's going to work wonders with them as he hasn't shown the ability to do so with the line. Love I might agree with you on, but Johnson was a rookie last year and played some snaps and was a STer, so there could be an upside there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 15 hours ago, 2020 Our Year For Sure said: Bad year and hes out. This is a huge year for him. I feel good about his chances though A bad year and he is out? LMAO Uh NO....not that there is any reason to think he will have a "bad year" but you dont just throw away that kind of investment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 (edited) 11 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: Let me tell you a story. When I was 11 years old, somehow both myself and parents got Halloween's date wrong. We got to dress up for Halloween day....this year I was a week early. So the entire day, I was dressed up in a Jim Kelly Bills uniform with a helmet while everyone else was dressed normally. I was living in Minnesota. I kinda got made fun of. I hear you still wear a helmet but now it is a hockey one. ?? Edited May 30, 2020 by Beast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 7 minutes ago, Beast said: I hear you still wear a helmet but now it is a hockey one. You wish you had a helmet like mine. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 This would be a very good place for Clowney on a one year deal. Great secondary, Hughes on the other side and DT's that need attention equal a very good season for Clowney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 Just now, Call_Of_Ktulu said: This would be a very good place for Clowney on a one year deal. Great secondary, Hughes on the other side and DT's that need attention equal a very good season for Clowney. I wouldn't put it past Beane to come up with an 11th hour deal with Clowney, but it's not very likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 (edited) 17 hours ago, 2020 Our Year For Sure said: Bad year and hes out. This is a huge year for him. I feel good about his chances though Hmm. Define bad year. Clowney on a one year prove it deal just makes too much sense. Hope he comes but won't hold my breath. Problem is after he puts in a 12+ sack season I'm not necessarily sure I want to pay him a boat load of money. It would have to be like a 16+ sack season. Edited May 30, 2020 by Sammy Watkins' Rib Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 36 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Not that I think Allen will be this years Trubisky, but the Bears are on the brink of “throwing away that kind of investment”. They are a model franchise, aren't they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 3 hours ago, ScottLaw said: Not that I think Allen will be this years Trubisky, but the Bears are on the brink of “throwing away that kind of investment”. Well....yeah but the bears suck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 A "prove it" deal for Clowney is still likely to be somewhere around $15 M, probably. Doesn't fit our circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 2 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: A "prove it" deal for Clowney is still likely to be somewhere around $15 M, probably. Doesn't fit our circumstances. At all. Before the Bills went out and brought in who they did, and drafted AJ, you could have envisioned a scenario in which they signed Clowney...but not now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 Can he save the puppies from a the burning car ? I doubt it....PASS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 11 hours ago, Limeaid said: Unless Johnson found him a mentor during off season he will not improve on field and he will needed to improve on practice squad. When he was playing he was off position and pushed around too much. The off season conditioning would have helped him a lot as well as film study. This off season will really hurt his chances. I mean I agree he needs to improve , as I said , should take a jump , but this is just not a fair statement imo. He only played 20% ish of the snaps , but he flashed potential , but neither of us know what he's doing during the off season this far. Yes it doesn't help any player that they can't use the world class training facility but how do we know Johnson doesn't have a personal trainer and is putting in some serious work? How do we know he isn't studying film as directed by his coaches? We don't know so I just feel that's a bit unfair to make that assumption. Fortunately , with this depth , we don't necessarily need be him to have a role on this line , if he hasn't improved. Addison,Hughes,Murphy ,Epenesa , Jefferson are all likely ahead of him. Just feel he's at least good potential depth in case of injuries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, ScottLaw said: Not that I think Allen will be this years Trubisky, but the Bears are on the brink of “throwing away that kind of investment”. Turbitzky and the offense suffered from the Bears takeaways drying up last year. 2018 they lead the league in takeaways by a good margin. A non-sustainable stat from year to year typically. Luckily for the the Bills offense, the Bills defense was only above average in takeaways but nowhere near elite like Pittsburgh or New England last year. So in 2020 the Bills D could possibly have even more takeaways or worst case scenario they fall back from above average to average but it should be a small decline rather than a huge step back to the mean. Admittedly Allens, bar is still pretty low too. He only has to improve upon an 85 QB rating type season (although I remember you don't care for QB rating stats) to continue showing progress. He doesn't have to be out of this world to put in a 88 or 90 rating type season. Hopefully he will do better but I'd be perfectly happy with any kind of improvement even if it is very small jump. Turbititzky and Mark Sanchez are probably the two best comps though if we are considering how things could go bad for Allen. 8 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: It’s really the same situation... they aren’t doubling down on Mitch and I wouldn’t expect the Bills to do the same with Josh if he has a rough year. They’d bring in legitimate competition or a legitimate starter. Either way, too early a discussion. Gotta let the year play out and he is certainly set up for a successful year. I think the difference is we have Fromm now ready to be groomed. Maybe we bring in a veteran with a lot of experience. But I could also see us just giving Fromm a legitimate shot if Allen takes a step backwards and they want a back up plan. For the Bears, I don't think it is a certainty that Foles starts of Turbitzky. Likely probably but Mitch should get his chance still in the pre-season. Assuming we have a pre-season. Edited May 30, 2020 by Sammy Watkins' Rib Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Limeaid said: Don't read in it more than I wrote - he will not improve on field because he will not be on the field for OTAs. I do not know if he connected to one of the other veterans on team either OL or DL to help him work out and approve but I hope so. Same for spending his own money on training. I already assume he is using any materials supplied by coaching staff and attending any remote sessions. Regarding Cloney, I think the Bills would have done a deep dive with Quinton Jefferson on his opinion of Cloney including how receptive he was to changing how he played, was he a good teammate, issues with coaches, etc. I don't think missing OTAs is going to hurt him as much as you're saying though. It's his 2nd season , and he's in the same scheme, with the same coaches , so he should be fine. Now Missing Training camp , I would agree. Any young player will benefit from OTAs but they all missed the same amount. I'm sure they questioned QJeff about Clowney , but I'm sure they did a deep dive for a long time regarding his fit and I just don't think he is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 McDermott loves to rotate and limited snaps may be exactly what Clowney needs to be his best. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 On 5/30/2020 at 4:09 AM, eball said: At all. Before the Bills went out and brought in who they did, and drafted AJ, you could have envisioned a scenario in which they signed Clowney...but not now. While I do agree that he’s not in our plans, I wouldn’t rule it out just because we’ve added other players. Trent can be cut and save us 8 mill. We have the room to add 15 mill if we cut Trent. So, while he have a very good DL right now, cutting Murphy and replacing him with Clowney would give us an elite DL imo. He’s exactly what we need imo. One year deal isn’t breaking the bank. It’s going for it. This is a perfect year to go all in imo. That being said, doesn’t seem like he’s a process guy and fits the McD mold. That doesn’t mean he wouldn’t make our defense better....which makes our team better....which gives us a better chance to win the SB. I can dream Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 On 3/18/2020 at 10:04 AM, Reed83HOF said: Yup. This is where you swoop in and get value I thought the Bills explored Clowney last year...good fit though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 I’m sick of Clowney. Seattle, Cleveland and rumors TN all made offers and he is way overvaluing his worth. He’d be smart to just go back to Seattle and accept he is not getting an $18 mil. offer. Even if it is a short deal so he can increase his stock for next year. The crazy thing is if he’s not going to be a stud opposite Watt, he’s not going to do it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 13 hours ago, Rocket94 said: I thought the Bills explored Clowney last year...good fit though. TBD explored Clowney last summer with a 46 page thread... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: TBD explored Clowney last summer with a 46 page thread... Yes...I was here! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 On 5/31/2020 at 12:59 PM, Charles Romes said: McDermott loves to rotate and limited snaps may be exactly what Clowney needs to be his best. Maybe, but you don't pay someone 17 plus million to take limited snaps. This is why this regime favors very good scheme specific DL players over superstars that consume your cap. We got Tre and then Edmunds coming up. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 4 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said: Maybe, but you don't pay someone 17 plus million to take limited snaps. This is why this regime favors very good scheme specific DL players over superstars that consume your cap. We got Tre and then Edmunds coming up. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathja Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 19 minutes ago, Dopey said: This. 24 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said: Maybe, but you don't pay someone 17 plus million to take limited snaps. This is why this regime favors very good scheme specific DL players over superstars that consume your cap. We got Tre and then Edmunds coming up. If it’s for only 1 year you can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 1 hour ago, billsbackto81 said: Maybe, but you don't pay someone 17 plus million to take limited snaps. This is why this regime favors very good scheme specific DL players over superstars that consume your cap. We got Tre and then Edmunds coming up. Unless of course you have a one year window where you can afford it and that one player just might be the thing that brings the Lombardi to Niagara Square. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 Sign Clowney to 1 year deal and cut Murphy. Easy instant upgrade. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 He’s averaged 5.33 sacks per year since he started in 2014. He hasn’t played all 16 games most seasons, and he’s just not worth even $13 mil. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 You might just have to overpay for him if you think he’s the missing piece. The Chiefs thought Sammy Watkins was the missing piece, and it turns out, they were right. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 16 hours ago, billsbackto81 said: Maybe, but you don't pay someone 17 plus million to take limited snaps. This is why this regime favors very good scheme specific DL players over superstars that consume your cap. We got Tre and then Edmunds coming up. but you draft one in the top ten? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippery Rubber Mats Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 Clowney on a 1 year deal in Buffalo makes so much sense. As someone else pointed out, with the Bills rotation on the line I think he could have a great year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 The ball is basically in his court. He's had offers from teams seen as contenders and otherwise, but is still not on a roster. It's strictly about $$$ at this point and maybe he doesn't want to participate in any team's TC. Who knows? He will be on a roster somewhere by the middle-end of August with the team that offers him the most money, regardless of whether they are viewed as a contending team or not. It won't be us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSarcasm Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 7 minutes ago, Chemical said: but you draft one in the top ten? Yeah because you still aren't paying him 17 mil per season AND you have 4+ years locked up. Big difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, MrSarcasm said: Yeah because you still aren't paying him 17 mil per season AND you have 4+ years locked up. Big difference. First of all it’s only one year hypothetically and not restricting any extensions or other free agent signings The top ten pick is still a valuable asset to use on a player only getting around half the snaps on defense. despite the dui charge I think he will get more than that as his career goes on, but the system will always be set up for him to split snaps. edit: and then you have to pay him big bucks to split snaps if it works out. Edited June 2, 2020 by Chemical Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 16 hours ago, Charles Romes said: Unless of course you have a one year window where you can afford it and that one player just might be the thing that brings the Lombardi to Niagara Square. If this was true, then of course. But he has not done so for his previous teams. How many additional wins does he deliver? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 26 minutes ago, Just Joshin' said: If this was true, then of course. But he has not done so for his previous teams. How many additional wins does he deliver? It’s not even possible to calculate that. It’s speculation. I would speculate that with this secondary some of those many pressures he gets while adding to the run defense would turn into sacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 32 minutes ago, Chemical said: It’s not even possible to calculate that. It’s speculation. I would speculate that with this secondary some of those many pressures he gets while adding to the run defense would turn into sacks. Last season Seattle was 12-6 in a season Clowney dealt with injuries. In games he played 75% of the snaps they were 6-1 including 3 wins vs playoff teams. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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