Green Lightning Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 1 hour ago, John from Riverside said: So fricken tired of fans acting like armchair gm and that peg money is THEIR money BEANE HAS EARNED the benefit of the doubt in these things lets just see? This is where I am. Not thrilled with the signing but McBeane knows a thing or two about DBs so I'll wait and be pleasantly surprised - or JN will be gone. Wonder if they see him as a safety now? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsMafia13 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 1 hour ago, CountDorkula said: I will say this, both Star Loutulelei(sp?) and Kelvin Benjamin were brought in for the very same reasons, and they haven't/did not work out. I understand Beane getting benefit, but some of the decisions have not been the greatest, especially when it comes to ex-panthers. We need to stop using KB as a measuring stick of this contract, that is the problem. Comparing how mcderms uses DBs and WRs shows the lack of knowledge. He makes magic on D and doesn’t have the eye on O. Lazy comparison 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deltek44 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 (edited) So funny to watch fans react to others teams garbage because they havent been following the other team at all. Its not just here, my teams board does it, every teams board does it. Forget about the money, its absurd, skins fans were screaming for the last two years at the TV "Get him out". He has gained a ton of weight and has alot of interests outside of football. He cant run or jump anymore...terrible signing. Edited March 9, 2020 by Deltek44 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BillsintheBurgh Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 22 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Shocking what making the playoffs in two of three years versus 0 for 17 prior will do for "perceptions". 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Great move. Back with McDermott. I would like us to sign Kevin Johnson also. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 2 hours ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said: It’s ok to not like a signing of a aging veteran without being labeled negative. Fan debate is part of the sport landscape. Not liking the signing and people saying “he sucks” “that’s too much money” is a little different. It’s a no lose situation for buffalo. Everyone should be a little skeptical of his age and decline in Washington but it’s basically pennies to our overall cap situation and will have zero impact in possibly bringing Kevin Johnson back or signing or drafting another corner. I don’t expect much out of norman but I applaud Beane for always covering his behind with backup plans like this norman signing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 ...as the most plausible threat to the Patriots in the AFC East in 2020. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Mueller Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 I have to think that there is no one on this board who's in a better position to determine which players fit the Bills' schemes than McDermott and Beane are. I swear people are acting like those guys just sign a player because they used to know him. I really doubt that it works that way. I suppose that there's a chance that it won't work out and some money would be wasted. I think that it's every bit as likely that the Bills now have 2 Pro Bowl level corners. I also think that it's more than worthwhile taking a shot at hitting the latter result. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deltek44 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 16 minutes ago, BeastMaster said: His game isn't predicated on athleticism...it's about reading the QB and being in the right spots. Josh Norman can still be very good, and Buffalo is the perfect place for that to happen. Sir you havent been following football outside of your team if you think Norman has any chance of being very good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 1 hour ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: Has he??? I kid I kid .... He got overpaid in DC, then flat out failed there His former HC won't even give him a chance . His former HC didn’t want to give him a chance at an AAV of over 12.5 million a year. It sounded like a cap release more than anything. Your first part is absolutely correct - DC way overpaid and he was not worth what DC was paying him - so he gets cut. Now he is signed to a deal at less than half his original salary for a system he is better suited to. My guess would be if he was on a 1 year 6 million contract with DC - Rivera would of kept him around, but at over 12.5 with multiple years left - he was expendable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, Deltek44 said: Sir you havent been following football outside of your team if you think Norman has any chance of being very good! What a silly comment. He's a former Pro Bowler as a zone corner who played on a team that suddenly started playing a lot of man-to-man and his play suffered because of it. He's 32 years old which, while a bit old, is certainly not "can't play anymore" old. To say that a former Pro Bowler who is now reuniting with the head coach under whom he had his most success has NO CHANCE of being very good is just plain silly. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Levi Wallace is quite slow for a CB. Norman is actually a hair slower. What Norman has that Wallace doesn't is body mass and corresponding strength, unless Wallace is able to add it in the current off season. What we don't know is how much Norman's physical traits have eroded with age or whether his declining production in DC was due to that or a poor fit to Washington's defensive scheme. I think it's pretty clear that Buffalo's zone defense is a better fit for him than what Washington ran, so we shall see. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 19 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: He didn't play with this defense in this scheme. Fret not. He fits what the Bills do. I'm not upset with the signing and I'm certainly glad that it's just a one year deal. I just think that the money could have been better used elsewhere regardless of having $80 million in cap space but that's just me. Beane and McDermott certainly know what Norman can and can't do and, hopefully, getting back to a zone scheme will help him. I still have doubts that a 32 year old CB will improve all that much regardless of scheme but if he contributes anything, it's a solid get. It also could have been a preemptive move to losing Kevin Johnson. They may have spoken to his agent and determined that it would cost more than what they gave Norman and don't want to go that high. Time will tell. Nobody can accuse this regime of at least not trying to get better and, if nothing else, people will have another Josh to bash. ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsCuse Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Only a one year deal, McDermott knows him well, he fits the scheme here better than in D.C. and at the very least he's CB depth - which we need.....stop complaining! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CountDorkula Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 1 minute ago, ExWNYer said: I'm not upset with the signing and I'm certainly glad that it's just a one year deal. I just think that the money could have been better used elsewhere regardless of having $80 million in cap space but that's just me. Beane and McDermott certainly know what Norman can and can't do and, hopefully, getting back to a zone scheme will help him. I still have doubts that a 32 year old CB will improve all that much regardless of scheme but if he contributes anything, it's a solid get. It also could have been a preemptive move to losing Kevin Johnson. They may have spoken to his agent and determined that it would cost more than what they gave Norman and don't want to go that high. Time will tell. Nobody can accuse this regime of at least not trying to get better and, if nothing else, people will have another Josh to bash. ?? I laughed, a lot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 30 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: Could it be that Josh Norman, who was never the fastest nor most agile, at 33 just cant keep up anymore? sure but if he isn’t one of the top guys I don’t think they will keep him. That’s why this shouldn’t be a concern. they have certainly let guys go that we’re t going to cut it. Sometimes their MO is even to have Vet presence through camp even if the 53 is a ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Just now, BillsCuse said: Only a one year deal, McDermott knows him well, he fits the scheme here better than in D.C. and at the very least he's CB depth - which we need.....stop complaining! McDermott knows the Josh Norman of 4 years ago. 4 years is an eternity in the NFL. It's longer than most careers. Can we slow down on this? Normans skills/abilities have no doubt regressed. The question is does he have anything left to be something of value to the Bills and not be an extreme liability like he was in Washington. My thought process is no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor26 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 14 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: ...as the most plausible threat to the Patriots in the AFC East in 2020. Also, three other teams clearly saw he could still play as well and wanted him. But he chose to come here. How often has a player chosen the Bills since before the drought ended? Without being money-whipped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: McDermott knows the Josh Norman of 4 years ago. 4 years is an eternity in the NFL. It's longer than most careers. Can we slow down on this? Normans skills/abilities have no doubt regressed. The question is does he have anything left to be something of value to the Bills and not be an extreme liability like he was in Washington. My thought process is no. Yeah! Jeez guys, can we all slow down on the notion that expert defensive coach Sean McDermott knows more about a player he coached for years and just had in for a workout than posters like Count dorkula?! Gosh! 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 59 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said: You should listen more closely. It's a 1 year deal and you pay a higher salary for that. He may be cut before he ever takes the field and the deal allows the Bills to do that without much in the way of complications. I said I generally agree with you. What don't you understand? The guaranteed money is the key. Anyway they are not paying him to be CB3 or worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 24 minutes ago, Deltek44 said: So funny ...that you created an account to post that bit of "wisdom." smh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefan66 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Won’t play unless McD feels he can get the job done. 6 Million isn’t a contract that makes you play someone. If it doesn’t work out, cut him. Played his best under this defense. Should prove to be an asset whether he starts or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 5 minutes ago, Logic said: Yeah! Jeez guys, can we all slow down on the notion that expert defensive coach Sean McDermott knows more about a player he coached for years and just had in for a workout than posters like Count dorkula?! Gosh! I don't believe he actually worked out for anyone...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BeastMaster Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 26 minutes ago, Deltek44 said: Sir you havent been following football outside of your team if you think Norman has any chance of being very good! So you joined up here to tell us about Josh Norman? Consider me skeptical 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, davefan66 said: Won’t play unless McD feels he can get the job done. 6 Million isn’t a contract that makes you play someone. If it doesn’t work out, cut him. Played his best under this defense. Should prove to be an asset whether he starts or not. Man, it must be nice to be in a spot where making $6mil isn't that much that your expected to be a full time contributor..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 as long as this is not our "big" contract of the FA period then I like it. low risk, potentially high reward. If this makes Bean go cheap on other FA's, then I'll hate it. We still need to go after Hooper and an Edge rusher at a bare minimum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JK Fan Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 I never liked Josh Norman. His play never matched his mouth. IMO, he was overrated in Carolina and proved it in Washington. That said, I believe in McDermott and Beane and if they think he will help the team than I am all in. It is a low risk, high reward kind of move. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Just now, RyanC883 said: as long as this is not our "big" contract of the FA period then I like it. low risk, potentially high reward. If this makes Bean go cheap on other FA's, then I'll hate it. We still need to go after Hooper and an Edge rusher at a bare minimum. I view it similar to the Long deal last offseason a mid level deal on a cut player. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 4 hours ago, bkep32 said: With tre' on the other side we dont need josh norman of 5 yrs ago. He is back in the scheme were he flourished so let's wait and see. It's a 6mil dollar deal with 8mil in incentives. If he hits those then the Bill's def prolly had a good yr. Let's reserve judgement until the season plays out. I think the backend looks sick..White, hyde, poyer, norman I would think with Tre on the other side, we would need a very good CB, they'll get more passes in their direction than Tre would. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berg1029 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 (edited) One year.. that's perfect! If it works out.. great. If not, we're not on the hook past this year. Edited March 9, 2020 by berg1029 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 The Carolina based aquisitions, for the most part, have not worked out. (except for Bean and McD) Can't think of one that has been worth it......must be one..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 1 minute ago, klos63 said: I would think with Tre on the other side, we would need a very good CB, they'll get more passes in their direction than Tre would. true, and a good point, but, Tre should be covering the other teams WR1, whereas Josh will get WR2 most likely. But yeah, he will def see more passes than Tre. You're insane to be throwing it in Tre's direction. Just now, bigK14094 said: The Carolina based aquisitions, for the most part, have not worked out. (except for Bean and McD) Can't think of one that has been worth it......must be one..... well, Josh had a stopover in Washington, so there's that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Who can list all of the CAR signings since McBeane have been here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BillsintheBurgh Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, ngbills said: Who can list all of the CAR signings since McBeane have been here? I'll bet google can! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 1 minute ago, bigK14094 said: The Carolina based aquisitions, for the most part, have not worked out. (except for Bean and McD) Can't think of one that has been worth it......must be one..... Which is my response to the "I trust McD and Beane, they know Norman". They knew a bunch of the other duds. And Rivera knows Norman as do many other coaches. 2 minutes ago, 4BillsintheBurgh said: I'll bet google can! Well that takes work... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 3 hours ago, MAJBobby said: me too He’s an average CB and was a big reason why several Texans drives were kept alive. He exceeded expectations but I didn’t really see that big of a drop off between Levi and him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 7 minutes ago, ngbills said: Which is my response to the "I trust McD and Beane, they know Norman". They knew a bunch of the other duds. And Rivera knows Norman as do many other coaches. Well that takes work... Correct. Just because "They know him" doesn't mean hes good. They are hoping so, just like many here are. The last 3 years say otherwise. There is a huge difference between simply not fitting in a scheme, and being one of the worst CBs in the entire league. I'm skeptical of him on the field, and hope that this is not their only plan for CB2. If he sucks they cut him with no real implications, but that still leaves a hole at CB2. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 17 minutes ago, klos63 said: I would think with Tre on the other side, we would need a very good CB, they'll get more passes in their direction than Tre would. You are 100% right and we saw teams pick apart Levi at times because they wouldnt throw Tre's way. Moreover, Levi's lack of athletic ability showed up and showed his limitations. Something Norman lacks, athletic ability.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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