atlbillsfan1975 Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 (edited) 43 minutes ago, freester said: Also Trent Murphy is definitely gone next year and possibly this year and this will be Jerry Hughes last year with the Bills. Shoring up DL for future is key. They are not signing Clowney. I’m hoping they resign Shaq and draft Espensa I don’t think he is really best suited for a 4-3 defense. If they do bring back Shaq I would rather see a faster explosive DE prospect. ‘Interest’ is a very broad term. A call is made probably about most FA’s. Could be the Bills want to drive the price up on him for an AFC opponent. Edited March 8, 2020 by atlbillsfan1975 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 12 hours ago, NewEra said: I’d rather pay him than phillips One of the best DTs in the league and only 25. Git er done. I remember Eric wood saying after the playoff game that he was a guy the Bills were really Having to game plan against and they respected him a lot on that Texans D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Rock'em Sock'em said: Not likely this year, where Star's contract is now fully guaranteed for 2020. Ok do it next year. No big deal. Star taking his paycut made sure he was on the roster this year. go get Reader 1 Tech - Reader and Star 3 Tech - Oliver and Harrison Edited March 8, 2020 by MAJBobby 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Buffalo03 said: I don't know about George Clooney. He's kind of old and has probably never played DE in his life. I don't see it Along those lines, I figured ‘DJ Reader’ was a rapper who encouraged kids to read. Didn’t LeVar Burton interview him on ‘Reading Rainbow’? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, First Round Bust said: dont see this happening, I meanafter you keep Dawkins, Milano, White and pay Tremaine and Josh next season ? Ever hear of a budget ? Live and die by the draft and coaching them up Oh, just stop with the "we can't afford to acquire talented players" bull manure! The Bills have $82 million in cap space, so they can certainly afford to upgrade the team, especially when it might mean the difference between another one and done in the WC round team and a Super Bowl appearance. If Beane is the GM that so many on TSW claim he is then he'll be able to bring in the right FAs on good contracts that will enable the Bills to take the next step this coming season -- like actually winning a playoff game -- not wasting another two or three years or decades making excuses. Other teams -- Kansas City, New Orleans, Baltimore, Philadelphia, Minnesota, not to mention New England -- all manage to regularly win playoff games, including conference championships and even sometimes a Super Bowl, by bringing in key FAs on good contracts. Dawkins and Milano aren't going to get huge pay days. They are second tier FAs -- solid players in the right situations -- but not going to break any team's bank unless they're up against the cap. White is the real deal but he's a CB not a QB or an edge rusher and the best DBs come a lot cheaper than QBs or edge rushers. As first rounders, Allen and Edmunds have two more years to prove what they are worth as FAs as at present, they are both worth picking up their fifth year options. Without upgrading the offensive talent around Allen, the Bills will never figure out if he's a $10 million a year QB or a $30 million a year QB. The same is true with Edmunds on the defensive side, although top LBs cost about half what top QBs cost. Edited March 8, 2020 by SoTier 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 Reader would make Edmunds an All-Pro. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastMaster Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 I would be fine with this. And as far as Star goes...it doesn't matter much. We are most likely moving on from him next season. We can pay both this season. It shouldn't stop us from getting a player they feel is an upgrade for this season and after. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 Reader is one of the best young DTs in the game. Reader can move up and down the line and brings some juice for a man his size. Star is not good, and Phillips is a third rounder coming off an ACL injury. Neither one of these players should in anyway, shape, or form preclude the Bills from adding a 25 (will be 26 when the season starts) stud to their team if the opportunity presents it self. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronxbomber21 Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 Sounds like a good move if we're moving Star Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 12 hours ago, PIZ said: Reader and Clooney. Get an OT. Then draft a few WRs and a RB. Super Bowl. Clooney May be a bit undersized... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 We'd be paying Reader and Star both for maybe one year. By this time next year the D line is gonna look very different. Might as well start planning for it now. We have Reader instead of J Phillips I almost guarantee we win that 2nd Patriots game where they ran all over us. Stew on that for a minute. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 1 hour ago, MAJBobby said: Ok do it next year. No big deal. Star taking his paycut made sure he was on the roster this year. go get Reader 1 Tech - Reader and Star 3 Tech - Oliver and Harrison I’m liking this more today than I did yesterday. However they still need two or three edge players. Maybe a mid level free agent and a few draft picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde Smith Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 I rather Beane go after Calais Campbell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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NewEra Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 3 hours ago, freester said: Also Trent Murphy is definitely gone next year and possibly this year and this will be Jerry Hughes last year with the Bills. Shoring up DL for future is key. They are not signing Clowney. I’m hoping they resign Shaq and draft Espensa What I really want to know: If we draft Aj EPENESA, will half of the TSW call him Aj Espensa/Espenesa for his 4 years as a Bill? if so, we can’t draft him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 I think what Beane and McDermott do, which is different from what most of us do, is they look at the roster as fluid, multi-year proposition. We tend to look at it as a static, 2020 thing. So for example, we look the roster as current people, how they fit, and current holes. We see Oliver, Star and Harrison Phillips and we think "the Bills need a 3-technique guy." We think "the Bills have Star, they don't need another 1-tech starter." I don't think McBeane think about it that way. They are looking at getting the best players they can get and thinking about how they might fit over the next 3-4 years. So, without knowing at all what McBeane are actually thinking, and how they might value Reader, on the assumption that Reader is the kind of talent they'd like to have on the team, how he fits on the 2020 roster isn't a huge consideration. Beane isn't going to say no to Reader simply because the Bills would have too much invested in the 1-tech position in 2020. The Bills have the cap room, and question Beane is asking himself is "how does my roster look for the next 3-5 years if I sign Reader." The answer to that question probably is "I like it." Reader's fairly young and apparently a talent. Yes, "but," people say. But they already have Star, but what do they do with Harry, because he isn't a 3-tech, but it's too much money, but, but, but. I can't answer those questions, but my guess is that those questions are less troubling to McBeane than to you and me. They have a good idea of how Harry is recovering, and they have a good idea of how well he might play the the 3-tech. They understand the cap and how they want to manage it much better than we do. They clearly seem to have a good handle on what they think Star's future is and when he's going to have outlived his usefulness. So I don't think the things people are talking about here are going to stop Beane from going after Reader if they think he's the 31 1-tech guy, either this season or over the next couple of seasons as Star approaches the end of his contract, and probably his career. One other thing, which I think some people touched on: The NFL is always changing, and the coaches' jobs are too change with it. People say it's a copy cat league, but the good coaches aren't just copying what works, they're creating new things that work. We've clearly seen a resurgence of the run game in the NFL - running the ball isn't enough to win, but the pass-happy that seemed to be evolving in the NFL has created opportunities for coaches to take advantage of the run game. McBeane's response to the passing game (like a lot of coaches) has been to get more speed and quickness in the back seven. Edmunds and Milano are the primary examples, and as well as the defensive backfield depth they're always looking for. The problem with that approach is that you give up some ability to stop the run. When you don't have three old-school linebackers on the field, you're at risk of getting gashed by the run games that teams are developing. So McDermott knows he has to respond. He has to stop the pass and still not be vulnerable to the run. He needs pass rush to help him stop the pass, but d linemen who can pressure the passer also typically have give up something in the run game. The need for gap control in the run game tends to limit the pass rushing abilities of your edge rushers and your 3-tech guy. Look at Jerry Hughes - good all-round player, probably more valuable to the Bills today than he was when they acquired him. He's had to dial back his pass rush to maintain gap control. Gone are the days where he's finding any way to beat the tackle and get to the quarterback, but also gone are the days when we'd see him crashing inside while the ball carrier was sprinting untouched around the offensive left tackle. Enter the 1-tech guy. Seems to me that now that the run game has re-emerged, the 1-tech may be one of the most important positions on the field. The key to playing the defense McDermott and Frazier want may be knowing that on every play your 1-tech is going to demand a double team, and on any play when he doesn't get double teamed, the offensive isn't running up the middle. I think that's why last year we heard McBeane defending Star from time to time. The fans didn't like Star because the fans rarely saw him do anything, but that doesn't mean he wasn't doing his job and wasn't important. If I'm right about that, Reader may be more valuable to the Bills than we think. That is, if the McBeane are going to be worried about managing the lack of depth in the interior of the d-line, they may prefer to manage lack of depth at the 3-tech than the 1-tech. They can coach around the 3-tech problem more easily, cover more easily the gaps in the defense created by having Oliver and Harry be the 3-tech than cover the gaps created by having two decent but not great 1-techs in Star and Harry. Remember, McDermott very much wants his team to be strong from the inside out, and I think Bean is completely on board with that. Poyer, Hyde, Edmunds, Star, Oliver, Morse, Allen, Singletary, Gore. Their focus clearly has been up the middle. Reader wouldn't surprise, even at a price that some might think is eye-popping. 8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 14 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Why? He's a true NT, maybe a 0 -1 tech. Doesn't fill Jordan Phillips role. Unless they expect to move Harrison Phillips to 3 tech? Would that work? Anyone? Yes, Harry Phillips has versatility even though we haven't gotten to see much of it. He is very smart and assumed the onfield pass rush calling duties from Kyle... Those are some big shoes to fill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 3 hours ago, MAJBobby said: Ok do it next year. No big deal. Star taking his paycut made sure he was on the roster this year. go get Reader 1 Tech - Reader and Star 3 Tech - Oliver and Harrison I'm totally down with this. Would give the Bills one of the best interior Defensive Line's in the NFL and shore up the Run Defense which would allow all sorts of flexibility from a scheming perspective. They would still have plenty of money to go for an upper tier Edge Rusher in FA and could get another one in the first few rounds. Don't sleep on Darryl Johnson either, I think Beane and McDermott are very high on his future and if he can continue to develop he could end up having a very significant role in 2020. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 3 hours ago, buffaloboyinATL said: Clooney May be a bit undersized... This is so awesome that I’m not going to edit my post. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 I think if they are looking at it. Star makes good money for 2 more years then is gone. Reader will take his salary, and we’ll still have 2 years to pay Oliver. I think it makes sense long term but if your looking 2020 only it leaves you a little confused Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 If he’s a difference maker, sign him up. It takes 2 to tango. Beane can’t just wave a magic wand and get the best free agents at positions of need. A lot less difficult to do that in the draft where you can maneuver up or down to fill needs. Or get really lucky and have Oliver drop into your hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 This is why it is so hard to predict FA. Who the heck ever thought that Reader would be on the Bills radar? I sure as hell didn't. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 First read this and my initial reaction was huh... Now I’ll be disappointed if we don’t get him. Reader/Oliver is such a filthy DT combo. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 I thought we got pushed around at the LOS last year. It seemed like when a team started running up the middle for huge chunk plays that our whole defense had to go into run stop mode. Reader is a monster and moves pretty well for such a huge player, I think signing Reader would be a huge signing. I've only watched a few games but this guy does not move, even when he is doubled he holds his ground. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 Plus, if you are super-strong at DT, it makes the Edge position a little less of a need as the Edge players will be facing constant one on one's and Hughes and Murphy can win those. Darryl Johnson is still developing, so we shall see with him. Reader and, maybe, someone like Addison would make a nice FA splash and set yourselves up with a very good and deep DL. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 I dont see how we are interested in Reader. Star just took a cut and got guaranteed $$$ and we drafted Oliver last year. We also have H Phillips who is progressing as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 1 minute ago, DJB said: I dont see how we are interested in Reader. Star just took a cut and got guaranteed $$$ and we drafted Oliver last year. We also have H Phillips who is progressing as well. Maybe you don't see the need, but McBeane sure as heck does. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 19 hours ago, TigerJ said: Basically, he's a big immovable 1 or 0 tech, isn't he. I assume much more of a run stuffer than pass defender. He and Star lined up together might be fun to watch : ) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, njbuff said: Maybe you don't see the need, but McBeane sure as heck does. We will see. I doubt we add him. But if legit interest I'll give you cred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 19 hours ago, TheBeaneBandit said: I always thought Phillips was too small to play 0-1 tech full time. As for 3 tech, I think he would be good enough to spell Oliver there. I'm all for going after Reader. all of this. Harry is an attacker after the likes of Kyle. disruptive player is what Bills are thinking he brings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 9 minutes ago, DJB said: I dont see how we are interested in Reader. Star just took a cut and got guaranteed $$$ and we drafted Oliver last year. We also have H Phillips who is progressing as well. He’s better than both Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: He’s better than both Not disagreeing with that. Just saying I'd be surprised given the $$ we've already allotted and our two prospects in Oliver and Harry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 18 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: I think they mean 34 end or 5 tech spot good post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 6 minutes ago, DJB said: Not disagreeing with that. Just saying I'd be surprised given the $$ we've already allotted and our two prospects in Oliver and Harry Both are on rookie deals and Harry could be traded if they get Reader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastMaster Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 I doubt Tennessee will be in on him due to the Tannehill, Brady, Henry, Conklin dealings. Bills should swoop in on him quickly and make a strong offer before the market gets going. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 4 hours ago, njbuff said: This is why it is so hard to predict FA. Who the heck ever thought that Reader would be on the Bills radar? I sure as hell didn't. I’m not sure why people are so surprised. Did they forget the run defense for that stretch of games this season? The Bills ran out and got CL who wasn’t very good either. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 42 minutes ago, CommonCents said: I’m not sure why people are so surprised. Did they forget the run defense for that stretch of games this season? The Bills ran out and got CL who wasn’t very good either. Liuget was the best available at the time but I know who isn’t good vs the run and that’s Jordan Phillips 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Get him in! I’m all about adding more good players to our team! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 On 3/7/2020 at 7:57 PM, Reed83HOF said: The obvious choice is Buffalo On 3/7/2020 at 8:02 PM, Logic said: DJ Reader is a very good player, but the fit seems odd to me. Tired of getting run over by more physical teams. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 John Murphy just called him "a decent player". He's very versatile and more than "decent", Murph. ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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