Pro Bowl Player Poll--Worst City to Travel To

[Augie]

1 hour ago, NoSaint said:

I don’t doubt on a poll of folks that have lived in each that your opinion would be popular.

 

if I were a 22 year old from Alabama I’d suspect I’d be pretty indifferent to cincy as a reputation for a city to visit while Buffalo is “practically Canada” and has darn near the snow of the next two cities combined so it’s probably the one I’d be more likely to blurt out on the spot without much knowledge of either. 

 

I’m not saying the rep is not real. It IS real.  I’m just saying I think it’s at least overrated, and some might find it totally unfounded. 

 

I’m less worried about the 22 year old we draft (he has no choice) than the 26 year old we try to sign as a FA. And I totally get it’s a real thing for either guy. The facts just may just be overblown. I think the biggest factor is, and has always been, the dollars in the deal. NOT the ONLY factor, but the biggest one. 

 

I will say, improving the away team locker room is a relatively cheap way to improve the player perception of the team and our facilities. Include the Patriots technology and.......wait, that would be cheating! 

 

I think it’s clear, from a visiting players view, they see the very worst of what we have to offer. I get it. 

 

 

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Edited January 25, 2020 by Augie

[machine gun kelly]

Orlando is a good place as so many have families and can enjoy the different parks, and the weather is usually very nice at this point in the year.   Hawaii is great, but even the players who fly so many of their family to see them spend a truck load vs. Orlando which is basically very economical.

[Buffalo_Gal]

5 hours ago, Bills!Win! said:

Can someone freaking tell me what other east coast cities have to offer that we don’t? 

 

Large five star hotels like the Four Seasons or Ritz-Carlton. That is gonna be about it when you figure these guys are going to the airport to hotel, out to eat, and then to the facility and back to the airport. No one is going sightseeing.  No idea where these guys are having their meals but there are some very nice restaurants to be found in every city, including Buffalo. Their management may want to choose better restaurants. 

Another doofus survey getting the natives riled up.

 

Edited January 25, 2020 by Buffalo_Gal

[MassHog]

5 hours ago, WotAGuy said:

Plus we have crappy hotels. I heard that from an NFL player. ?

I used to work driving some of the Bills Players around (4-6 years ago). They said the home team picks the hotel for the away team, and I am pretty sure the Adam's Mark is not an ideal place to stay. Kinda brilliant. 

[JoPoy88]

Poll results aren’t surprising - our strip clubs are pretty mediocre.

[thebandit27]

I ran into the Colts a few years ago downtown prior to a game at The Ralph; nice kids, but all they had to say was “is this all y’all got?” with regard to downtown life.

 

I gave them a few recommendations for food and drink, but @NoSaint is right—compared to what they usually see in downtown atmospheres, Buffalo is lousy.

[eball]

12 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

This isn’t even a little surprising. The stadium is near the bottom of the league. The visiting locker room isn’t nice. The weather is some of the worst in the league. The hotels are better than they were but not elite. Again, we are talking about OPPOSING players’ perception of their 24 hours in Buffalo. 

 

Yup.  Reading the reactions from Bills fans is like watching Pavlov's dog, though.

[gjv001]

The oppressive state and local taxes has to make Beanes job more difficult in attracting FA's.

[atlbillsfan1975]

12 hours ago, Buffalo619 said:

Shocked!! 

 

Buffalo has been struggling for several generations and with over regulation and corrupt leaders, the city and surrounding areas will not improve.

 

It’s a sad, slow demise. 

That’s not really the case anymore. Slowly but surely it’s making a comeback. I think the Bills moving the stadium to the city and on the waterfront could really speed that up and revitalize the entire city.

[Chaos]

12 hours ago, Bills!Win! said:

Can someone freaking tell me what other east coast cities have to offer that we don’t? 

Football players stay in hotels and eat out.  The best hotels in NY, Philly, and Boston blow away the best hotels in Buffalo.  The best restaurants in those cities blow away the best restaurants in Buffalo.  The best night clubs in NY blow away the best clubs in Buffalo.  Its not what they have. Its the top end quality of what they have.   

Edited January 25, 2020 by Chaos

[Nick the Greek]

Upstate NY bashing. Some thing new and different. 

[SirAndrew]

11 hours ago, Augie said:

 

What’s a little snow? It gets cleaned up. I maintain they ALL have miserable weather. I’ve lived in Cincinnati and Buffalo. I prefer Buffalo, and they do a better job with the snow. Cincinnati keeps most of their their plows at the airport, in KENTUCKY! (I will admit Cincinnati is getting better in recent years, especially OTR and such, but I still prefer Buffalo.) 

I agree, the media doesn’t accurately portray Buffalo weather. It’s obviously a far cry from tropical, but other than lake effect snow, it’s not much different from most midwestern cities. Also, keep in mind that lake effect is very localized (sometimes in OP).
 

The way they address the cold has always driven me crazy. You’ll be watching a Bills game, and they’ll often refer to the “frigid” Buffalo weather. People are under the impression that Buffalo has Arctic temps. Our average temperatures aren’t much different from the cities of the Midwest. In fact, some of them are far colder. 

Edited January 25, 2020 by SirAndrew

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

“Yo, brah, let’s go tour Allentown and the Darwin Martin House while we be here!” isn’t heard all that often when the visitors’ charter flight lands.  Probably wouldn’t be allowed by the coaching staff anyways.

[skibum]

What, no appreciation for the landmark architectural works of luminaries like Frank Lloyd Wright, Louis Sullivan, and H.H. Richardson? 

Edited January 25, 2020 by skibum

[BarleyNY]

15 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

This isn’t even a little surprising. The stadium is near the bottom of the league. The visiting locker room isn’t nice. The weather is some of the worst in the league. The hotels are better than they were but not elite. Again, we are talking about OPPOSING players’ perception of their 24 hours in Buffalo. 

Airport to OP is not great for displaying the best B-lo has to offer.  I’m not sure where they stay, but you gotta know where to go in Buffalo and it’s probably not by their hotel. 

[GreggTX]

How would any of them know about Buffalo if they just sit in the hotel, drive to and from the stadium then bus back to the airport?

[Lurker]

12 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Yet... Years ago... When Sabres were playing the Filthadelphia Cryers in Playoffs (I think it was the "hole in net series") we were @ Chef's and the whole Flyers team came in off the bus and proceeded to walk thru towards the banquet room.  

 

Hockey players are way, way different than NFL guys.   Most of them grew up in East Corncob type towns and to them, Buffalo is the big city.   And just like being in Canada, for those born there.    That's why so many ex-NHL-ers still live around here...

[JerseyBills]

I LOVE it personally. Means our opponents hate coming here , which is a good thing. 

We gotta take the East. Make them come in January and hate every second of it! 

[Kirby Jackson]

47 minutes ago, GreggTX said:

How would any of them know about Buffalo if they just sit in the hotel, drive to and from the stadium then bus back to the airport?

That can be said about every single city that they go to. That’s kind of the point as to why everyone shouldn’t get their panties in a bunch. It’s 24 hours

Edited January 25, 2020 by Kirby Jackson

[ExiledInIllinois]

Didn't Lombardi make the visiting lockerroom in Green Bay miserable... Even went to far as to cut the heat.  Nice!

[Kirby Jackson]

2 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Didn't Lombardi make the visiting lockerroom in Green Bay miserable... Even went to far as to cut the heat.  Nice!

The Iowa visiting locker room is the most famous I believe. That dump in Oakland is pretty famous too.

 

https://www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/college-football/2017/9/23/16320460/iowa-hawkeyes-pink-locker-rooms

[Ethan in Cleveland]

14 hours ago, Bills!Win! said:

Can someone freaking tell me what other east coast cities have to offer that we don’t? 

Are u serious? Boston, Washington, Miami, NYC? World class hotels, dining, and entertainment. You can love living in Buffalo but as someone else said no one wants to visit Buffalo.

45 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

I LOVE it personally. Means our opponents hate coming here , which is a good thing. 

We gotta take the East. Make them come in January and hate every second of it! 

Lol. Most of the best players are from the South. They wont like playing in Buffalo in January either

[Punching Bag]

15 hours ago, Utah John said:

I wonder if visiting teams usually stay in hotels downtown, or near the airport, or near the stadium.  

 

Some of them would probably rather stay in Toronto and take a bus ride to OP on Sunday morning.

 

If the bus gets delayed past start of game time is that a forfeit?

14 hours ago, MJS said:

The home locker room is pretty nice. I guess they should update the visiting locker room as well. Potential free agents shouldn't come away with a negative perspective of the facilities after a game here.

 

When they do that they can install some microphones to make New England feel at home.

[Punching Bag]

14 hours ago, NoSaint said:

You should just accept you have different priorities than many if you think Miami, Boston, DC, NYC, Philly, offer similar quality of amenities to Buffalo. 
 

Buffalo is great for certain lifestyles but Is going to consistently be the odd man out in lists like that.

 

Yes these players for number of years experience are wealthy and many are looking for places that roll out carpet for them.

It would be nice if the stayed in Buffalo to help chip in for the PSLs some have been pushing for.

[teef]

I always felt wny is a great place If you have a family. If you’re not of that age or it’s not your thing, the entire area is meh.  I appreciate Rochester so much more now as I get older. I do have a feeling that I’ll grow to dislike it as I get a lot older though. 

[C.Biscuit97]

Literally, this is the dumbest thing ever.  First of all, who cares if a player likes coming to Buffalo?  2nd, they are like in the city for a day.  3rd, as someone who’s always had a love hate relationship with Buffalo, without exaggeration, this is the greatest Buffalo of my lifetime.  Great owners, new things being built everyday, the Bills making the playoffs, a rap group that just performed on Jimmy Fallon Talking about bricks, best tailgate experience in pro sports.  At this point if you don’t like Buffalo, I couldn’t two ? and it’s your loss.  If we didn’t have crappy weather, it’s my favorite place on earth and where is out of Town Buffalo people  go on vacation. Buffalo is awesome. 

3 hours ago, Chaos said:

Football players stay in hotels and eat out.  The best hotels in NY, Philly, and Boston blow away the best hotels in Buffalo.  The best restaurants in those cities blow away the best restaurants in Buffalo.  The best night clubs in NY blow away the best clubs in Buffalo.  Its not what they have. Its the top end quality of what they have.   

Haha hotels Tom Brady.  
 

put those crap teams in the stadium view inn and feed them McDonald’s 

[Mr. WEO]

16 hours ago, njbuff said:

I’ll I can tell you is that I live in NYC and it’s about as overrated a place that you can have in the entire world.

 

It’s always assumed the world cannot live without there being an NYC.

 

WRONG.

head back to nj then...

[Chaos]

6 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Literally, this is the dumbest thing ever.  First of all, who cares if a player likes coming to Buffalo?  2nd, they are like in the city for a day.  3rd, as someone who’s always had a love hate relationship with Buffalo, without exaggeration, this is the greatest Buffalo of my lifetime.  Great owners, new things being built everyday, the Bills making the playoffs, a rap group that just performed on Jimmy Fallon Talking about bricks, best tailgate experience in pro sports.  At this point if you don’t like Buffalo, I couldn’t two ? and it’s your loss.  If we didn’t have crappy weather, it’s my favorite place on earth and where is out of Town Buffalo people  go on vacation. Buffalo is awesome. 

Haha hotels Tom Brady.  
 

put those crap teams in the stadium view inn and feed them McDonald’s 

To your first question.  Apparently the person who did the survey.  To your additional observation.  It seems like the response of a simple minded child. 

[BuffaloBill963]

17 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

It may not be Hawaii but NO charm?

 

From Theatre district to Allentown to Olmstead Parks to West village historic district

 

There is tons of charm in Buffalo

Most of these athletes interviewed have one or two track minds. They don’t even know what charm might look like in some places  

[Jerome007]

Well, I'm an outsider, living near Montreal. I once stayed at an hotel which I thought was the visiting team's hotel. It's so long ago I don't recall if it was the airport hotel or not. I know it was supposed to be 4 or 5 stars. The restaurant was awful. Tasted really bad, and my GF at the time threw up and I had diarrhea LOL Fun times. Very nice unexpected bonus: going to pee, I came across the whole Bills team coming towards me. I still recall how Flutie seemed bigger in real life while most players didn't seem that big... except Ted Washington, dude was huge ha ha.

 

For this thread, the point is it was really bad. And most highway and airport drives are not exactly charming. But as mentioned, most young players look for strip clubs and sunshine. There should be good strip clubs as many of the opposing team would break curfew and be in awful shape come game time. Just like what happens for the Habs in hockey as opposing players visit Montreal's lovely gals.

[In Summary]

15 hours ago, NoSaint said:

Buffalo- 94 inches a year on average
 

Cleveland 59

green bay 49

Pitt 44

Detroit 43

Cincinnati 24

 

 

 

its got a rep for a reason. 

WNY doesn't get the snow it used to. That's my issue. Kills skiing and other Winter activities.  I want more snow now. Matters not to me if most like to swelter 3 seasons of the year.

[Jerome007]

Don't forget too that these players are young and have boatloads of MONEY. So in Miami, NYC and all, they have access to high end clubs and facilities.

[yungmack]

Buffalo is a great place to live, but if you're coming in for a day or two to play a game and are stuck downtown, it's pretty awful.

[Kirby Jackson]

It is imperative to remember, they fly in the afternoon before the game, have meetings, dinner at the hotel, go to sleep and get on a bus to the stadium. This has nothing to do with restaurants and nightlife. That’s not an NFL thing. That’s applicable in the NBA , NHL and definitely in baseball where they spend 3-4 consecutive nights in a city. We are talking about the stadium and hotels, that’s it.

[njbuff]

23 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

head back to nj then...

I’m all over the NYC metro area Sparky.

 

My point is, NYC is looked at like this country couldn’t operate without it and that is just false.

 

Manhattan has the limelight, but very little is talked about how truly awful places like Brooklyn and parts of Queens are. There are a lot of people I run into that can’t stand Brooklyn, so there is that.

 

By the way, there are parts of NJ I can do without, Newark, for example.

[C.Biscuit97]

39 minutes ago, Chaos said:

To your first question.  Apparently the person who did the survey.  To your additional observation.  It seems like the response of a simple minded child. 

You type like a simple minded child.  Do some posters even know how pro football teams travel? As Kirby said, they are in the city for a night.  They go out to dinner and stay in a hotel.  
 

so again, I never got why people care what stupid people say about their hometown if they like it. And 2, this is the most pointless survey ever because nfl teams literally do nothing when they are on road trips.

 

but betting tip.  Bet on the Miami Heat on any weekend home game.  You’re welcome. 

13 minutes ago, njbuff said:

I’m all over the NYC metro area Sparky.

 

My point is, NYC is looked at like this country couldn’t operate without it and that is just false.

 

Manhattan has the limelight, but very little is talked about how truly awful places like Brooklyn and parts of Queens are. There are a lot of people I run into that can’t stand Brooklyn, so there is that.

 

By the way, there are parts of NJ I can do without, Newark, for example.

 No offense man but I just hate people bashing cities.  Newark ain’t in great shape but a lot of a lot of people have pride in it.  And I’ve had some amazing experiences in Brooklyn.  It’s all about your attitude. I generally find people who talk about how much a place sucks tend to be losers.  Put me in Alaska and as long as it has a bar and a couple of cute women, I will have a better time than a lot of people in Hawaii.  It’s a mindset. 

[Mr. WEO]

21 minutes ago, njbuff said:

I’m all over the NYC metro area Sparky.

 

My point is, NYC is looked at like this country couldn’t operate without it and that is just false.

 

Manhattan has the limelight, but very little is talked about how truly awful places like Brooklyn and parts of Queens are. There are a lot of people I run into that can’t stand Brooklyn, so there is that.

 

By the way, there are parts of NJ I can do without, Newark, for example.

Wow! All over—even Brooklyn AND Queens.

 

well then, you know all there is to know about the most populous and diverse city in this country.  Everyone who hasn’t been there (or at least those who haven’t done the super deep dive into the “Metro Area” as you have) can safely avoid the place! 
 

Strong work.  

 

You know what couldn’t work without NYC? NJ, for starters..

 

 

[Formerly Allan in MD]

They should only know Buffalo.  Remember when, years ago, the guy on "60 Minutes" dissed Buffalo and the city invited him to finally visit it.  He came in, was hosted and taken around, and was so impressed "60" did an entire mia culpa segment on the city.  And that was prior to the redevelopment commencing.

[njbuff]

30 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

Wow! All over—even Brooklyn AND Queens.

 

well then, you know all there is to know about the most populous and diverse city in this country.  Everyone who hasn’t been there (or at least those who haven’t done the super deep dive into the “Metro Area” as you have) can safely avoid the place! 
 

Strong work.  

 

You know what couldn’t work without NYC? NJ, for starters..

 

 

 

It works both ways.

 

There are millions of people who work in NYC that live in NJ.

 

You should have mentioned that fact.

47 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

You type like a simple minded child.  Do some posters even know how pro football teams travel? As Kirby said, they are in the city for a night.  They go out to dinner and stay in a hotel.  
 

so again, I never got why people care what stupid people say about their hometown if they like it. And 2, this is the most pointless survey ever because nfl teams literally do nothing when they are on road trips.

 

but betting tip.  Bet on the Miami Heat on any weekend home game.  You’re welcome. 

 No offense man but I just hate people bashing cities.  Newark ain’t in great shape but a lot of a lot of people have pride in it.  And I’ve had some amazing experiences in Brooklyn.  It’s all about your attitude. I generally find people who talk about how much a place sucks tend to be losers.  Put me in Alaska and as long as it has a bar and a couple of cute women, I will have a better time than a lot of people in Hawaii.  It’s a mindset. 

 

True statements.

 

But all this comes back to people bashing Buffalo while never stepping foot in the city.

 

Every place I comment about I have actually stepped foot in. Numerous times. ?

[Lurker]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo619 said:

Unfortunately, this is incorrect. Everything is down. A new stadium would require state funding....with the corruption and red tape, it won’t be possible. The economy and population is just not robust enough for a revitalization. 

 

So, where do you live (and how old are you)?       A whole lot of stuff to unpack in that viewpoint...