MAJBobby Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: Even that seems high to me because of the Starr contract and having to pay Harrison and Oliver in the near future. I also want money available for defensive end. 89M cap room, there is enough money to do whatever they want. I am not worried about that they could give Phillips 10M AVV and still go sign that top DE at 18M AVV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Phillips won't be re-signed by the Bills. This reminds me of Zach Brown a couple of years ago. They revive their career here a bit over a year or two and then go after the money. We won't be the ones to pay him what he's looking for. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: I think that's basically the plan, Lotulelei is in all likelihood done after 2020 imo...the real question overall is does McDermott value his 3tech like that because we already know he values his 1tech. I'm thinking between Oliver showing more in the tookbox than Phillips already (imo) and Harrison getting healthy it's unlikely they make 97 an offer close to what he can get in FA. Agree I think what they will do and I will talk about this in my primer when I do DTs. Let Phillips walk. Sign Corey Lugit for the Rotational 3 tech DT behind Oliver, keep Start and Harry at 1 Tech Just now, John from Riverside said: So I actually agree with Bobby on this...... My thing is if I cant cut Star (who is WAY overpaid) and put him in Star's spot at his size....then what is the point. Oliver is going to be the star of the DT's......Horrible Harry will be coming back......I would rather have Shaq I will get to this in my DT Primer but out of the DTs you see re-signed it isnt going to be Jordan, it is going to be Corey Lugit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Let the games begin. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Just now, MAJBobby said: Agree I think what they will do and I will talk about this in my primer when I do DTs. Let Phillips walk. Sign Corey Lugit for the Rotational 3 tech DT behind Oliver, keep Start and Harry at 1 Tech Exactly, and I wouldn't be surprised to see another 3tech drafted in 3-5th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Top 3 money? Oof. I like you JP, but $17M ain't happening. It just isn't feasible in a defensive system where you only play 54% of the snaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 9 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: I think that's basically the plan, Lotulelei is in all likelihood done after 2020 imo...the real question overall is does McDermott value his 3tech like that because we already know he values his 1tech. I'm thinking between Oliver showing more in the tookbox than Phillips already (imo) and Harrison getting healthy it's unlikely they make 97 an offer close to what he can get in FA. Exactly. And Harrison can PLAY , I anticipated a big season this year but the injury. I think he'll be a force next year and is a perfect model off the field. Gotta think Bills brass value Harrison more than Jordan long term , so I just can't envision giving Jordan the $ he's looking for 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 transition tag 12 mil. he wont be happy but big raise from last year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turftoe Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Let another team overpay. Maybe we get a good comp pick in return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 1 Tech - Star and Harry 3 Tech Oliver and Lugit Compensatory Formula - Phillips 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: 89M cap room, there is enough money to do whatever they want. I am not worried about that they could give Phillips 10M AVV and still go sign that top DE at 18M AVV How long is it $10m a year for? Do you foresee an issue with signing Harrison or Oliver ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Well Jordan thanks for your effort. We wish you the best in your future endeavors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Just now, atlbillsfan1975 said: How long is it $10m a year for? Do you foresee an issue with signing Harrison or Oliver ? No make it like the recent Beane Signings. 1 on year deal dressed up as a 4 year deal. I dont think they sign Phillips though I think they let him enter the compensatory formula and re-sign Lugit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 42 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: yeah, his numbers THIS YEAR. He's fantastic, but put his career numbers against other DT's. Totally different picture. No way we should pay him top 3 DT pay. I'd keep Lawson and draft a DT or get a FA DT as a rotational part. He was good last year too. His production in Miami shouldn't count given that for whatever reason, Adam Gase put him in his doghouse despite the fact that he was a high draft pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VirginiaMike Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Don't pony up big bucks for him. I don't like players who tell everyone how good they are rather than how good the team they play on is. This could be another player who, once he gets paid with his last season being his only big one, track back to where he was. I.E, Albert Haynesworth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring it Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Not a fan of paying a player top money for one years worth of quality play!! Would rather keep multiple DTs hungry by not paying big bucks to one exclusively. Considering that Mcd. keeps a pretty healthy rotation I don’t think Big Phil will be here next year. Unless he comes down in asking price before FA! Maybe he is just bargaining at this point! We’ll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: He was good last year too. His production in Miami shouldn't count given that for whatever reason, Adam Gase put him in his doghouse despite the fact that he was a high draft pick. Why shouldnt they? Last year Contract Year This year Contract year Takes plays off (harder to see in the rotation we run) Not good against the run, (same as MIA). You know why he isnt good against the run at 340LBS? Because Run Defense is just as much about Mentality and that toughness, which have been flags on him since Oklahoma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 He had a great year, but his career stats are streaky at best. Have a hard time paying him $17M/year especially when we have Ed Oliver and Horrible Harry. For that reason I hope we pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 9 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: He was good last year too. His production in Miami shouldn't count given that for whatever reason, Adam Gase put him in his doghouse despite the fact that he was a high draft pick. I would like to keep him......but something tells me backing up the brinks truck for him when we just used a high first round pick on a player better then him isnt the Beane way. If he wants to stay I def want him......for the right price Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 I wonder if anyone has the Balls to point out to him that if it wasnt for this Scheme he wouldnt have performed like he is pushing. So Jordan point out to me a team that will give you 17M a year for 52% of the snaps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 16 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: 1 Tech - Star and Harry 3 Tech Oliver and Lugit Compensatory Formula - Phillips I like it. I would also grab a DT late in the draft to compete with Liuget for that spot or PS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted January 13, 2020 Author Share Posted January 13, 2020 15 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: He was good last year too. His production in Miami shouldn't count given that for whatever reason, Adam Gase put him in his doghouse despite the fact that he was a high draft pick. Jets FAs will get overpaid this year as result LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Just now, Dopey said: I like it. I would also grab a DT late in the draft to compete with Liuget for that spot or PS. Maybe or get a 1 year vet, I am happy with the youth at the group. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 47 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Things getting zesty among the DT room, I see. That other thread had already disappeared...maybe they end up in Roswell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 7 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: He was good last year too. His production in Miami shouldn't count given that for whatever reason, Adam Gase put him in his doghouse despite the fact that he was a high draft pick. He generated pressures at the same rate in Miami as he does here. Just so happened to have one of the all-time outlier seasons this year with almost half his pressures turning into sacks. I'm not really convinced he's a great pass-rusher, and he certainly isn't a great all-around DT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 5 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: I wonder if anyone has the Balls to point out to him that if it wasnt for this Scheme he wouldnt have performed like he is pushing. So Jordan point out to me a team that will give you 17M a year for 52% of the snaps I've been saying this since the Philly game tbh It's the McD effect...Kawaan Short can attest lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted January 13, 2020 Author Share Posted January 13, 2020 1 minute ago, GoBills808 said: I've been saying this since the Philly game tbh It's the McD effect...Kawaan Short can attest lol I forgot about Kwan Short Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 8 minutes ago, Dopey said: I like it. I would also grab a DT late in the draft to compete with Liuget for that spot or PS. I think that they get someone in rounds 3-5. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 48 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said: Sounds like he's looking for Fletcher Cox type money ($17M AAV), or at the least Marcel Darius money ($14M AAV). Jordan Phillips has been more productive than Darius. He’s not as productive as Dareus was when Dareus earned that deal. He’s more productive now, but that ain’t saying much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted January 13, 2020 Author Share Posted January 13, 2020 5 minutes ago, K-9 said: He’s not as productive as Dareus was when Dareus earned that deal. He’s more productive now, but that ain’t saying much. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 6 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: Mr. Big Puff. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 1 minute ago, K-9 said: Mr. Big Puff. That's rear admiral big puff to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 44 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Agree I think what they will do and I will talk about this in my primer when I do DTs. Let Phillips walk. Sign Corey Lugit for the Rotational 3 tech DT behind Oliver, keep Start and Harry at 1 Tech I will get to this in my DT Primer but out of the DTs you see re-signed it isnt going to be Jordan, it is going to be Corey Lugit If Star and Harrison are the 1-techs on the roster, that is not good and a better 1-tech is needed I look forward to your DT Primer...great job on the position primers you've done thus far. 15 minutes ago, K-9 said: He’s not as productive as Dareus was when Dareus earned that deal. He’s more productive now, but that ain’t saying much. And now is what I'm concerned with, since Dareus is making $14M now which is grossly overpaid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: That's rear admiral big puff to you. More like Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Big Puff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 1 hour ago, B-Man said: We're covered. . What’s the infatuation with him? He played ok the short time he played this season. Wouldn’t be counting on him to being anything more than a rotational piece 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 8 minutes ago, K-9 said: Mr. Big Puff. TUB OF GOO! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Not a fan of players talking about their worth, contracts, etc... on twitter/in public. This is what your agent is for, all it does is rub fans the wrong way so why bother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 1 hour ago, B-Man said: We're covered. . lol yeah because he’s a sure thing. Amazing how certain people will go to bat for certain players that haven’t proven squat. Certainly not anything close to what Phillips proved this season. Wonder why that is? ??? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 I think free agency will be generous to him and still hurt his feelings if that’s his position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 I like him but he is a goner. We gave Star $50M...someone will give Phillips much more than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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