london_bills Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said: Josh fails and those two guys will fail with him, Sean made the call to draft defense (White) over Mahomes, these guys think you can win playing caveman football. Passed on both Mahomes and Mecallf, that is on them and either they get Josh some surrounding talent to win or they will be right behind him leaving the building. I don't like hearing about having 90 million in cap space and not talking about getting some play makers. You need play makers to win in the playoffs, It all depends on what the pegulas think about the job beane/mcdermott have done when the time comes. A project QB doesnt always work out. Other players Beane has drafted, results and performances all tie into it. Mcdermott being aggressive in the future might buy him more favour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 14 minutes ago, Best Player Available said: "In the spring there will be growth......" Chauncey Gardener? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. K Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 5 minutes ago, Buffalo Junction said: That axe Sully keeps grinding has to be pretty sharp by now. I would think there would be nothing left of it by this point. He couldn't chop down a dandelion with it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 8 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said: Josh fails and those two guys will fail with him, Sean made the call to draft defense (White) over Mahomes, these guys think you can win playing caveman football. Passed on both Mahomes and Mecallf, that is on them and either they get Josh some surrounding talent to win or they will be right behind him leaving the building. I don't like hearing about having 90 million in cap space and not talking about getting some play makers. You need play makers to win in the playoffs, McDermott (if you believe Whaley had zero to do with the draft) passed on Mahommes Beane passed on Metcalf To say "these guys" passed on both Mahommes and Metcalf is disingenuous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayboy54 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 14 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said: Josh fails and those two guys will fail with him, Sean made the call to draft defense (White) over Mahomes, these guys think you can win playing caveman football. Passed on both Mahomes and Mecallf, that is on them and either they get Josh some surrounding talent to win or they will be right behind him leaving the building. I don't like hearing about having 90 million in cap space and not talking about getting some play makers. You need play makers to win in the playoffs, There's always gotta be someone. Apparently, you're that guy. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 37 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: The NFL GM job, like HC and QB are extremely difficult jobs that requires all kinds of disparate skills. Brandon Beane, for a pretty young guy, is very good and we are lucky to have him. Has he made some mistakes? Of course. But the combination of philosophy, talent evaluator, drafter, salary cap management, team builder, staff hires, short-mid-long term vision, self and public awareness, and face of the franchise, is extremely impressive. Particularly compared to what we have had for a generation. Agreed. That PC was an A+ performance by both of them. Beane admitted he screwed up not giving Allen a better line and weapons in 2018 - he basically said that outright. The "rebuild" he referred to was this past offseason's attempt to right those wrongs. Gotta give him credit for owning that, and he recognizes that Allen "doing too much" is a direct consequence of not giving him enough playmakers he can trust. That PC was night and day what we saw in years past. Literally 180 degrees away from Whaley's epic "I'm not privy to that" faceplant. Today was a good look for OBD. (BTW Sullivan's tweet shows a stunning lack of self-awareness or judgment. It's one thing to think that to yourself - but to tweet it out? What an all-time ass.) 8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reader Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 13 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said: Josh fails and those two guys will fail with him, Sean made the call to draft defense (White) over Mahomes, these guys think you can win playing caveman football. Passed on both Mahomes and Mecallf, that is on them and either they get Josh some surrounding talent to win or they will be right behind him leaving the building. I don't like hearing about having 90 million in cap space and not talking about getting some play makers. You need play makers to win in the playoffs, Our FO passed on two great players once! No one else ever does that! RHeeeeE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Sully you're a Grade A-ahole 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Joe Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 13 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: Chauncey Gardener? P. Allen Smith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 49 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: ? Funny, coming from someone who thinks he is more important, and smarter, than everyone... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Buffalo Junction said: That axe Sully keeps grinding has to be pretty sharp by now. ..should have told him it was scheduled for Jan. 8...….let 'em interview an empty room...…... Edited January 7, 2020 by OldTimeAFLGuy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 55 minutes ago, Magox said: Reading in between the lines from the press conference: 1) Continuity Continuity Continuity - What does that mean? Re-sign as many players as they reasonably can. - It also means that the Pegula's are damn happy with the team and the idea that McD or Beane are anywhere near close to approaching any sort of hot seat are absurd. - Also that continuity is a big reason why their defense is good as it is and that continuity will help out the offense next year. 2) Sounds like to me that based on what they perceive will be Shaq's and Phillips market value that they are more optimistic about retaining Shaq. I think they like Phillips and would like to bring him back but I sensed a bit of doubt that Phillips market value may be higher than they are willing to pay, specially knowing that they have Harrison in the wings. 3) That they are high on Derrick Johnson. Next year I believe he will play a much larger role 4) That they are absolutely sold on Josh Allen. That he will continue to grow and improve! They are very sure of this. This isn't just Front office speak but comes from their true beliefs. 5) That they will upgrade at the WR spot and make it a priority. 6) That if they can make a play for an elite or high end pass rusher, they will attempt to pursue it. 7) That despite all the criticism Ford received, they believe in him. That his play at Tackle with how new he was to it and being a rookie that it wasn't that bad at all. But that they will keep the options open to him moving to guard. 8 ) That their will be a reflection and review period of the coaches own performance. They realize they can get better and need to and will look to improve upon that. 9) Did I say continuity? That the cap space will be to improve upon players but also to re-sign the players they want and to have the flexibility to re-sign players for the future as well. Don't expect the Bills to be near a cash to cap situation, where they spend right up to the cap. Agree mostly. A couple corrections. Harrison is the back up to Star, so they’d need someone to back up Ed if JPhillips goes, and it sounded to me like he won’t be back. I think you mean Daryl Johnson, the DE. If they bring Shaw back, then Trent is most likely gone, especially if they like Daryl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 55 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: ? So glad I stopped following this assclown on Twitter a couple of years ago. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 They kept saying they weren't going as deep on FA this year as last which when you remember they rebuilt the O-line and WR core makes sense. I'm sure they'll still make plenty of moves this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 13 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: 2-3 premier players in FA? That’s what I’m expecting. A WR1, an EDGE guy, and an impact RB to pair with Singletary. Re-up KJ, Stanford, and McKenzie and sign 2nd-tier depth guys at OT, DT, and LB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 7, 2020 Author Share Posted January 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, Warcodered said: They kept saying they weren't going as deep on FA this year as last which when you remember they rebuilt the O-line and WR core makes sense. I'm sure they'll still make plenty of moves this year. I feel like every team says that every year - they don’t want to set any kind of expectation for FA this early Just now, thebandit27 said: That’s what I’m expecting. A WR1, an EDGE guy, and an impact RB to pair with Singletary. Re-up KJ, Stanford, and McKenzie and sign 2nd-tier depth guys at OT, DT, and LB. I would take a look at Houston’s FA pool. Gaine likely has some insight on those guys and what they are looking for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I feel like every team says that every year - they don’t want to set any kind of expectation for FA this early I would take a look at Houston’s FA pool. Gaine likely has some insight on those guys and what they are looking for Clowney! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 7, 2020 Author Share Posted January 7, 2020 Just now, thebandit27 said: Clowney! Would be quite the game changer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 9 minutes ago, TPS said: Agree mostly. A couple corrections. Harrison is the back up to Star, so they’d need someone to back up Ed if JPhillips goes, and it sounded to me like he won’t be back. I think you mean Daryl Johnson, the DE. If they bring Shaw back, then Trent is most likely gone, especially if they like Daryl. Yep, I meant Daryl Johnson, the DE. And yes in regards to Harrison but I think he can play both 1 and 3 techniques with the team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Would be quite the game changer He’s an ideal fit as an LDE in this scheme. If Shaq put up 6.5 sacks and 13 TFLs, Clowney would be good for 10/20 all day long. Also, regarding Houston connections, I wouldn’t be surprised if they looked at Covington to replace Jordan. Edited January 7, 2020 by thebandit27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Clowney! Wait you really want to sign that guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Do The Reich Thing Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 2 hours ago, matter2003 said: He is right. If you make enough plays the refs don't matter eventually. But as is the case in playoff games where teams are evenly matched and a play or two here and there can swing the game, unfortunately the refs do matter a whole lot more than they should. I don't see a way to get around it, that's just how it is and you have to hope you get the right calls at the right time and your opponent doesn't. Or at least the good and bad calls for each team balance themselves out. McDermott feels the same way as all of us... He just can't say it publicly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 22 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: 2-3 premier players in FA? Yeah, I'm sure they would love to do that, but that doesn't seem likely. Beane will be methodical in his approach to free agency. He did put an emphasis on keeping their own players, which is not surprising. They can definitely get one premiere player, maybe two, but that's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Just now, Rc2catch said: Wait you really want to sign that guy? Yes. Absolutely. He RACKS up TFLs regardless of scheme and talent around him. And he’s never been in a scheme that is more tailored to his abilities than McDermott’s, nor has he been surrounded by as much talent as he would be here with Hughes, Oliver, Edmunds, Milano, and the DB group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rc2catch Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Just now, thebandit27 said: Yes. Absolutely. He RACKS up TFLs regardless of scheme and talent around him. And he’s never been in a scheme that is more tailored to his abilities than McDermott’s, nor has he been surrounded by as much talent as he would be here with Hughes, Oliver, Edmunds, Milano, and the DB group. I am nowhere near that confident. Guy has 3 sacks in his contract year in Seattle. Trent Murphy put up better numbers. Shaq has more everything than clowney had this year. And he’s going to want Mack kind of money for worse production than Trent Murphy and he’s extremely injury prone? I can’t see the love 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 41 minutes ago, Dr. K said: I would think there would be nothing left of it by this point. He couldn't chop down a dandelion with it. He’s currently working on turning the handle remnants into a shank. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Gore just isn’t a good player anymore. Yeah he’s going to get a gold jacket and is great in the locker room, but he just shouldn’t be getting meaningful playing time anymore. Edited January 7, 2020 by Bangarang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian3488 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Magox said: Reading in between the lines from the press conference: 1) Continuity Continuity Continuity - What does that mean? Re-sign as many players as they reasonably can. - It also means that the Pegula's are damn happy with the team and the idea that McD or Beane are anywhere near close to approaching any sort of hot seat are absurd. - Also that continuity is a big reason why their defense is good as it is and that continuity will help out the offense next year. 2) Sounds like to me that based on what they perceive will be Shaq's and Phillips market value that they are more optimistic about retaining Shaq. I think they like Phillips and would like to bring him back but I sensed a bit of doubt that Phillips market value may be higher than they are willing to pay, specially knowing that they have Harrison in the wings. 3) That they are high on Derrick Johnson. Next year I believe he will play a much larger role 4) That they are absolutely sold on Josh Allen. That he will continue to grow and improve! They are very sure of this. This isn't just Front office speak but comes from their true beliefs. 5) That they will upgrade at the WR spot and make it a priority. 6) That if they can make a play for an elite or high end pass rusher, they will attempt to pursue it. 7) That despite all the criticism Ford received, they believe in him. That his play at Tackle with how new he was to it and being a rookie that it wasn't that bad at all. But that they will keep the options open to him moving to guard. 8 ) That their will be a reflection and review period of the coaches own performance. They realize they can get better and need to and will look to improve upon that. 9) Did I say continuity? That the cap space will be to improve upon players but also to re-sign the players they want and to have the flexibility to re-sign players for the future as well. Don't expect the Bills to be near a cash to cap situation, where they spend right up to the cap. I think u read between all the lines except one. Its pretty evident with me and what McDermott says he is not sold on Daboll as OC here. He said no changes "at this point" to me with questions regarding the offense, he always says there needed to be improvements. Adjustments need to be made and Daboll has to put Josh in the right series or sequence to start the second half. The coaches are responsible for players success too and Daboll has inconsistent stints on play calling but usually really when it matters it gets horrendous. Think this is what McDermott is seeing and even Beane agrees offense needs more points. Is Daboll the one they see for the future or are they hoping he signs w Browns 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Never NEVER Give-up Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: ? Well . . . if anyone was wondering if Jerry has grown since The News let him go . . . . Or . . . if you're wondering why The News let him go . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: I am nowhere near that confident. Guy has 3 sacks in his contract year in Seattle. Trent Murphy put up better numbers. Shaq has more everything than clowney had this year. And he’s going to want Mack kind of money for worse production than Trent Murphy and he’s extremely injury prone? I can’t see the love IIRC Clowney is playing with an abdominal hernia. The production doesn’t worry me so much as the injury history. He does play through that stuff. Plus, he pwned Jason Peters on Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo It sure sounds like they are gonna let him walk. I would imagine they have had conversations and it must not be close. He took a long time to re-sign last year iirc. I hope he is back but I guess I have to settle for hoping he doesn't go to a team I hate so I can keep rooting for him. I won't be mad about it but I will be sad. He was the heart and soul of that dline imo. He was constantly pumping team mates and the crowd up AND he showed up on the stat sheet. Hoping it can be worked out!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Just now, Buffalo Junction said: IIRC Clowney is playing with an abdominal hernia. The production doesn’t worry me so much as the injury history. He does play through that stuff. Plus, he pwned Jason Peters on Sunday. I don’t doubt his talent, or his ability to dominate occasionally. It’s how many games he doesn’t have any effort and completely disappears and how many games he’s banged up for playing at 50%. People worry Shaq played hard only cause it’s a contract year, but clowney only plays hard 3-4 games a year and wants top defensive end money. We kill Murphy on here cause he makes too much money for his production but clowney is going to cost double Murphy possibly even more and just had a year with less production 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VW82 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 10 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: I am nowhere near that confident. Guy has 3 sacks in his contract year in Seattle. Trent Murphy put up better numbers. Shaq has more everything than clowney had this year. And he’s going to want Mack kind of money for worse production than Trent Murphy and he’s extremely injury prone? I can’t see the love Clowney has been playing hurt for a huge chunk of the year, and is still playing hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, section122 said: Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo It sure sounds like they are gonna let him walk. I would imagine they have had conversations and it must not be close. He took a long time to re-sign last year iirc. I hope he is back but I guess I have to settle for hoping he doesn't go to a team I hate so I can keep rooting for him. I won't be mad about it but I will be sad. He was the heart and soul of that dline imo. He was constantly pumping team mates and the crowd up AND he showed up on the stat sheet. Hoping it can be worked out!!! They could always franchise tag him, let him and his agent seek a trade, trading team has to pay him. Jerk move but the smart business route 1 minute ago, VW82 said: Clowney has been playing hurt for a huge chunk of the year, and is still playing hurt. And? It’s not news he’s ALWAYS hurt Edited January 7, 2020 by Rc2catch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: ? It is, actually. By far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Rc2catch said: I don’t doubt his talent, or his ability to dominate occasionally. It’s how many games he doesn’t have any effort and completely disappears and how many games he’s banged up for playing at 50%. People worry Shaq played hard only cause it’s a contract year, but clowney only plays hard 3-4 games a year and wants top defensive end money. We kill Murphy on here cause he makes too much money for his production but clowney is going to cost double Murphy possibly even more and just had a year with less production For me it’s the perpetual injuries that devalue Clowney more than anything else. If they can resign Lawson for 1/3 of a Clowney contract I’ll be content with that as long as they find some more talent at Edge. Whether that’s drafting a kid, signing Dupree to replace Alexander, etc doesn’t matter to me. They need talent in the pass rush. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 14 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: I am nowhere near that confident. Guy has 3 sacks in his contract year in Seattle. Trent Murphy put up better numbers. Shaq has more everything than clowney had this year. And he’s going to want Mack kind of money for worse production than Trent Murphy and he’s extremely injury prone? I can’t see the love Clowney isn’t a pure pass rusher like Mack, so it’s not an apples to apples. He’s just as productive on a per-game basis when comparing TFLs and forced turnovers, and he’s a phenomenal run defender. 4 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: They could always franchise tag him, let him and his agent seek a trade, trading team has to pay him. Jerk move but the smart business route And? It’s not news he’s ALWAYS hurt He’s missed 2, 0, 2, and 5 games over the last 4 seasons 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 2 hours ago, jwhit34 said: Spain was okay, but I think ultimately the line would be much better if they moved Cody Ford to G and got a really good RT. Dawkins-Ford-Morse would potentially be as good if not better than rookie Dawkins-Incognito-Wood (because Morse>Wood and Dawkins yr 4>rookie Dawkins). 2 hours ago, Bangarang said: I wouldn’t mind re-signing Spain but what do you do with Ford at that point? He’s not good at RT and you can’t justify starting him over Spain or Feliciano. I’m sure he’d stay at RT but he’s likely to be a liability I think Ford is going to be okay. I think a lot of his mistakes were technique things that can be cleaned up. I know I am in the minority, but unless you are giving loads of money to Jack Conklin, I don't think that you are going to find a guy with Ford's upside. I just think he was really raw, and is working on his game. There were times where he looked really good and I was pretty impressed. There were also times in which he looked truly awful, but there were times Spain, Morse, and Feliciano looked terrible as well. I look at it the same way I view Dawkins when people wanted to move him, Ford has not proven that he is incapable of playing right tackle. He isn't there yet and I think it is too early to move him. I think the Bills see him as a true RT and that is why they chose him over Dalton Risner. Like I said, his game is raw. He wasn't asked to do much at Oklahoma and he is working on the nuances of the game. If we can't re-sign Spain, I'm looking at Connor McGovern of the Broncos. He's capable of playing guard and center and played next to Mitch Morse at Mizzou. (He's the guy Shaq was fighting with post game vs the Broncos). He would be my target, assuming Brandon Scherff is too expensive. I think paying RT's like Conklin is bad practice, but if you can design a front loaded deal, I'd be okay with it, but I would not love it. I think I see what Spain wants, see what else is out there, like McGovern, and leave Ford where he is. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 17 minutes ago, Never NEVER Give-up said: Well . . . if anyone was wondering if Jerry has grown since The News let him go . . . . Or . . . if you're wondering why The News let him go . . . he's still a baby 21 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: I am nowhere near that confident. Guy has 3 sacks in his contract year in Seattle. Trent Murphy put up better numbers. Shaq has more everything than clowney had this year. And he’s going to want Mack kind of money for worse production than Trent Murphy and he’s extremely injury prone? I can’t see the love Good points and I'm wary of him as well but he also destroyed the Eagles Sunday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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